Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Rajma said:
Before/after:


This is great stuff, there’s nothing left from it.
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As suspected, the base got completely destroyed. Even the aircraft that survived should be quite severely damaged from the blasts.

Meanwhile in Russia:
There were no casualties from the blast in the Novofedorovka region in Crimea, and no aviation equipment was damaged, the ministry said.
“No harm done… We exhale and go to the beach.”
 
dove said:
As suspected, the base got completely destroyed. Even the aircraft that survived should be quite severely damaged from the blasts.

Meanwhile in Russia:
There were no casualties from the blast in the Novofedorovka region in Crimea, and no aviation equipment was damaged, the ministry said.
“No harm done… We exhale and go to the beach.”
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I quite like Russia's explanation that they did it themselves and it was an accident as if their military hasn't appeared incompetent enough already.
 
Very likely that a huge number of pilots in the area (who normally are as valuable as equipment) will be KIA too.
 
I don't doubt about Ukraine capabilities, but could it be that there is NATO unofficial boots in ground to operate special equipment and this would be one of the situations?
 
harms said:
Wow. How big are those numbers %-wise? Obviously by a very rough estimate. I have no idea how many planes Russia has but I understand how much one cost.
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Yeah there definitely needs some context for it in numbers terms.

Possible that not all of those were there when the strikes it too.
 
4bars said:
I don't doubt about Ukraine capabilities, but could it be that there is NATO unofficial boots in ground to operate special equipment and this would be one of the situations?
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I doubt it, but I think us intelligence is really guiding a lot of these missions.
 
4bars said:
I don't doubt about Ukraine capabilities, but could it be that there is NATO unofficial boots in ground to operate special equipment and this would be one of the situations?
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There is without doubt more support being given than officially announced.

But we do know that putting even unofficial boots on the ground is fraught with risk. The Americans knew there were Soviets serving in the Vietnam War, the Soviets knew there were CIA agents with cash and weapons in Afghanistan, and more recently NATO has publicised Russian involvement in Syria. It is a huge risk to take, and will likely be found out, with Putin broadcasting it as an escalation of hostilies with NATO leading who knows where.
 
On Amnesty:



goalscholes said:
Crimea is geographically vital for Russia to retain access to the seas all year round.

It’s most vital to their future security, as otherwise they could be surrounded and blocked off during winter.

I don’t imagine Russia will need nuclear weapons to keep it, but they will get very desperate and move a large part of their army to defend it. Hence Ukraine’s strategy of attack.
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Always weird to see one of these Russiansplainers pop up.
 
Frosty said:
There is without doubt more support being given than officially announced.

But we do know that putting even unofficial boots on the ground is fraught with risk. The Americans knew there were Soviets serving in the Vietnam War, the Soviets knew there were CIA agents with cash and weapons in Afghanistan, and more recently NATO has publicised Russian involvement in Syria. It is a huge risk to take, and will likely be found out, with Putin broadcasting it as an escalation of hostilies with NATO leading who knows where.
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Maybe I didn't express myself well. More than boots on ground I meant military consultants that can direct certain special operations and how to use certain equipment. Because if they destroyed 10% of the air force it might work the risk. Specially if they are at 300 km of distance.

And you said so, it seems that in every country had done it in the past and nothing happened
 
4bars said:
Maybe I didn't express myself well. More than boots on ground I meant military consultants that can direct certain special operations and how to use certain equipment. Because if they destroyed 10% of the air force it might work the risk. Specially if they are at 300 km of distance.

And you said so, it seems that in every country had done it in the past and nothing happened
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I would be shocked if that wasn't happening from NATO on the Ukrainian side. And I would be equally shocked if the Chinese were not doing the same with the Russians.
 
Frosty said:
I would be shocked if that wasn't happening from NATO on the Ukrainian side. And I would be equally shocked if the Chinese were not doing the same with the Russians.
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It’s incredibly difficult to differentiate between a military advisor, a trainer, a military attaché, and a secret service agent, to name but a few.
How sure are you about the Chinese though? I’ve certainly not seen any evidence of deaths or photographic proof like we have done with Chechens/Syrians etc, but then the same is true for US personnel. Although I’m led to believe Western military advisors are based outside of Ukraine, not in it.
 
NicolaSacco said:
It’s incredibly difficult to differentiate between a military advisor, a trainer, a military attaché, and a secret service agent, to name but a few.
How sure are you about the Chinese though? I’ve certainly not seen any evidence of deaths or photographic proof like we have done with Chechens/Syrians etc, but then the same is true for US personnel. Although I’m led to believe Western military advisors are based outside of Ukraine, not in it.
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I will be clear - I haven't seen any evidence for both, so it is a pure assumption of what China could be doing. But if I were Xi, providing support, intelligence, training, repairs or even equipment that the Russians cannot get because of sanctions seems a fairly obvious move. Especially as it could weaken the US, even indirectly.

Given the levels of state security in China now, way above what they were 10 years ago, I am not sure you would get many reports being leaked if Russians were being trained in China, for example.
 
Frosty said:
I would be shocked if that wasn't happening from NATO on the Ukrainian side. And I would be equally shocked if the Chinese were not doing the same with the Russians.
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Why would they? What would be the point of Chinese instructors/consultants if Russia doesn't use Chinese weapons (and I don't think that I've seen any reports on them doing so). With NATO it's obvious — you're sending complicated artillery, weapons, machines and most of them require specific training that only NATO instructors can provide.

Frosty said:
Given the levels of state security in China now, way above what they were 10 years ago, I am not sure you would get many reports being leaked if Russians were being trained in China, for example.
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You'll get tons, just not from the Chinese side.
 
harms said:
Why would they? What would be the point of Chinese instructors/consultants if Russia doesn't use Chinese weapons (and I don't think that I've seen any reports on them doing so). With NATO it's obvious — you're sending complicated artillery, weapons, machines and most of them require specific training that only NATO instructors can provide.


You'll get tons, just not from the Chinese side.
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Fair enough - like I said it is an assumption on my part based on past actions of countries in conflicts and also given China's emnity towards the US, and the potential for using the Ukraine conflict to take the West's eyes off Taiwan.

If China are not getting involved and just focusing on actions like military drills off Taiwan, and threats of hard power there, then to me that is already a success of sorts for Ukraine and NATO.
 
I don't know if it was already discussed, but a rumor has been floating around for a few days or so now about the possibility that North Korea would send "100,000 volunteers" in Ukraine. What do we know about that? It would have to be utterly stupid as those clowns have not fought in active conflict since the Cold War.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
I don't know if it was already discussed, but a rumor has been floating around for a few days or so now about the possibility that North Korea would send "100,000 volunteers" in Ukraine. What do we know about that? It would have to be utterly stupid as those clowns have not fought in active conflict since the Cold War.
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I thought this was an interesting read: https://thediplomat.com/2022/08/will-we-see-north-korean-forces-in-eastern-ukraine/

But no conclusion as to probabilities.

It did say this:

"North Korean artillery officers have already operated alongside the Syrian Army in the Lebanon War and in counterinsurgency operations in the 2010s, and could be among the first personnel deployed to eastern Ukraine. Their impact would be particularly significant if deploying alongside indigenous artillery systems, which could reach the Donbas through Russian territory."

Which I was not aware of.
 


Anyone with some spare time can give a guesstimate on possible costs on lost equipment?
 
ShoePolish said:


Anyone with some spare time can give a guesstimate on possible costs on lost equipment?
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I don't think anyone here is qualified to do the math but the losses are staggering.
 
dove said:
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Taking glee at the horror of innocent people? Jee, I wonder if the reaction would be the same if someone posted the same to people fleeing Tel Aviv's beaches when there are sirens going on during rocket attacks :rolleyes:

Wtf is wrong with people.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Taking glee at the horror of innocent people? Jee, I wonder if the reaction would be the same if someone posted the same to people fleeing Tel Aviv's beaches when there are sirens going on during rocket attacks :rolleyes:

Wtf is wrong with people.
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They had to cut their holiday short. How sad... Not really. These people are idiots.
 
dove said:
They had to cut their holiday short. How sad... Not really. These people are idiots.
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Idiots are still innocent. Just because someone who is from the occupier is being terrorized doesn't make it funny in any way. Again, if this was switched to Israelis, Americans in Iraq then the sentiment would be very very different to anyone taking glee at their suffering.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Taking glee at the horror of innocent people? Jee, I wonder if the reaction would be the same if someone posted the same to people fleeing Tel Aviv's beaches when there are sirens going on during rocket attacks :rolleyes:

Wtf is wrong with people.
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Going on holiday during a war in an occupied area is at least taking a risk, if not actively supporting the war effort. I am not sure if I see those as innocent, but I would definitely say they have no right to be surprised about this attack and think it is a bit hilarious that all those Russian tourists are now fleeing from Crimea.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Idiots are still innocent. Just because someone who is from the occupier is being terrorized doesn't make it funny in any way. Again, if this was switched to Israelis, Americans in Iraq then the sentiment would be very very different to anyone taking glee at their suffering.
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They deserve that for their action - enter here all the posts Russians have abused Ukrainian people all across the world and online since the war started. They need to snap out of their propaganda and get into real-world or GTFO(g) to Russia and stay there.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Idiots are still innocent. Just because someone who is from the occupier is being terrorized doesn't make it funny in any way. Again, if this was switched to Israelis, Americans in Iraq then the sentiment would be very very different to anyone taking glee at their suffering.
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Don't know if they are being terrorised because are near by military airbase was struck during a war they started. But yeah it's not funny as such.
 
ShoePolish said:


Anyone with some spare time can give a guesstimate on possible costs on lost equipment?
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The Russians surely produce their stuff at significantly lower costs than any western nation, but the numbers of lost material displayed here are indeed huge. It must be approaching the 3-digits in terms of billions by now.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Idiots are still innocent. Just because someone who is from the occupier is being terrorized doesn't make it funny in any way. Again, if this was switched to Israelis, Americans in Iraq then the sentiment would be very very different to anyone taking glee at their suffering.
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Right, pure innocent people. Majority of those innocent people are the same people proudly wearing their Z signs, supporting the "special military operation", mocking Ukrainians who are dying, going to Crimea holiday apartments who were taken from Ukrainian people and would flood the other Ukrainian cities during the holidays like Odesa or Kyiv if they were taken by Russia, even if every single Ukrainian there had to be killed. The same people then cry on the social media how Ukraine is making their life harder and that it's our fault they had to cut their holiday short or that some dubass got kicked out of her rental apartment. Cry me a river. Not losing any sleep over those "innocent" people.
 
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