When Russia struck the barracks early on near Lviv and the Polish border, I argued the same thing based on the premise that a Russian missile would inevitably cross the border with strikes so close to Poland. Setting up an air defense shield for the NATO borders could also cover a sizable distance into Ukraine to prevent incoming missiles from striking again. It will also give the Poles and others practical experience using Patriot and other air defense systems.
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When Russia struck the barracks early on near Lviv and the Polish border, I argued the same thing based on the premise that a Russian missile would inevitably cross the border with strikes so close to Poland. Setting up an air defense shield for the NATO borders could also cover a sizable distance into Ukraine to prevent incoming missiles from striking again. It will also give the Poles and others practical experience using Patriot and other air defense systems.
I’m seeing invoke article 5 and WW3 trend over Twitter. I’ll be honest this won’t be a popular view, it’s probably a cowardly view and I’ll accept that. But treaties are made to be broken. I really hope the U.K. doesn’t get involved. My view is like with all wars the U.K. has a great defensive military and is very unlikely to ever get invaded or attacked as long as we don’t do anything to annoy the USA or get the Europeans to unite against us.
Let’s just stay in our lane, enjoy being an Island. No need to be fighting wars abroad and inviting stuff to happen here.
Let’s just stay in our lane, enjoy being an Island. No need to be fighting wars abroad and inviting stuff to happen here.
First of all, sad news about those 2 people who died.
However, if the West is still holding itself back from more weapon deliveries, I think that strategy definitely deserves a re-evaluation.
However, if the West is still holding itself back from more weapon deliveries, I think that strategy definitely deserves a re-evaluation.
Well, i dont know if a preventive stand was correct, but now that had been proven nand it killed 2 poles, russia would not have much saying diplomatically
At the same time, would be a notch more to escalation and might cause more russian oopsies as they are "in their right to attack ukraine and anything that defense them actively"
I would like to see a tangible response at least. Not necessary military and not just words
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
You aren't using Niemoller to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty, surely?
OSINT nerds are currently falling over themselves to be the first to identify it, there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Poland have stated its an air launch cruise missile (not s-300). Wait and see on this one.
ha, they deleted that tweet already.
That was in response to that particular post.
Yep thankfully the nuclear death cult hasn’t found its way into the White House.
Well, Ukraine have lost The Daily Mail.
And... it is now deleted. Shame. I posted it because that account is fairly reliable for information. Guess we will wait and see what the confirmed origin of the weapon is.
Some (or actually a majority as certain referendum showed) of the British people wish to completely isolate themselves from everything that's happening outside the British islands is surely a sight to behold. Just live in a bubble, enjoy being an island and completely ignore what happens anywhere else, might be a good idea to fortify the island even more, build a dome or something (with a direct way out to Benidorm or other tourist hot spots in Europe unless they get occupied too but in that case, oh well, what can you do eh).
Yeh i'm seeing reliable people say different things. Listening to someone in the field who's conclusion after studying all the images for 30 mins was basically "dunno".
I think Kasparov is unnecessarily stoking the flames here. War is chaotic and the odds of an accident were never zero.
Looks increasingly like either a Ukraine S300 failure, or an S300 missile hit a Russian cruise missile mid-air and both fell onto Polish territory.
Jesus Christ. A country that was a “super power” cant even break down the Ukraine and talking about how poorly protected Nato countries are…
Where do you get this from? This has basically been rejected outright as a possibility from what I have seen (Ukraine S300 failure) and statements from defense ministries across Europe who have more intelligence regarding this basically confirm it was Russian missile, the question is basically was it deliberate or not at this stage.
Whatever war that happens in Europe affects Britain, if not militarily then economically.
Also, I don't think Russia targeted a Polish tractor on purpose. They'd be better off hitting links to Rzeczow
Sorry but how do you connect someone not wanting war to effect the country where they and most of their loved ones are to Brexit…? I really don’t get that
I’d take wearing the same shoes for the next 10 years over having loved ones killed.
I think I know which way you voted….
There won’t be WWIII. We are dealing with bullies, not death cult psychos. Stay resolute (not talking about Art 5 by the way, keep strangling their economy, and they will back down. Putin’s greatest achievement in the West has been to instil some fear that he’s a madman with his finger on the red button. In reality, he has a desperately weak hand and is running low on viable options. In that scenario, if things continue to get worse, the reaction of the elite over there will be to remove him, not go down in armageddon.
Doesn't matter though, you still have to react in some way or the Russians will keep pushing until they find the line. You just have to be careful not to overreact is all.
Using a well known pacifist and anti nuclear weapons guy as reason to start a global nuclear Armageddon has to be the peak of this thread.
People can be killed by poverty too. Everytime Russia decides to have a bit of fun, poor people in Britain suffer more.
I would agree. Hopefully more weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Also, Duda apparently now on the phone with Biden, I don’t think there would be a need for it had it been clear that it was Ukrainian S-300.
I dunno. Let's see what the official investigation says.
I can't see why not though. Intercepted or failed missiles have to come down somewhere. You can't will them to land in Ukraine.
Not only cowardly. Feel free to add stupid and evil to it.
Does you not wanting the U.K. to jump in and protect the Palestinians make you an EDF follower?
Article 4 will be invoked
nothing more
nothing more
How can it not affect the UK which is in the same continent? You realise that if everyone would turn the blind eye on and ignore what happens around them, just break all treaties and don't get involved like you suggest, in a few years time we would not be talking about a war in Ukraine but in Poland instead, in 10 years it can very well be right on your doorstep, who would then answer your calls for help if you betrayed your allies? Trust and support works both ways, not only when it suits you.
There's nothing stupid or evil to not wanting to die in an nuclear holocaust.
Doesn't mean I share his opinion, or that I think he's right, but it's a very humane feeling at the moment
EDF? Don‘t create strawmen. The UK is an important member of NATO and a signatory to its treaty obligations. We can‘t decide to flounce out at a time when NATO is dealing with a very complex situation on its borders. If we do so, then what’s left (after 2016) of our reputation as a good faith, reliable actor will be utterly trashed.
Initial post: “feck you guys, good luck over there. Don’t bother us”
And my reaction was literally quoting that post. Why are you turning it into something else entirely?