Crimea is gone for good - I can’t imagine any scenario short of WWIII where Russia hands it back. Donbass is probably retrievable as it is more of a pretext for Russia rather than something they genuinely care about.
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Crimea is gone for good - I can’t imagine any scenario short of WWIII where Russia hands it back. Donbass is probably retrievable as it is more of a pretext for Russia rather than something they genuinely care about.
FFS if I see Putler or Botoxface one more time then I hope Facelift Squidward just presses the red button and blows me up.
Fight on, not give up. Frankly, they could, and at the end of everything, they can all come to Europe, which is surely ten times better than the Ukraine anyway. Obviously not home, but away from MadVlad and in countries where they will have more opportunity.
I don't know how realistic it is that China apply pressure to those around him aka do something or we can no longer continue to provide economic support.
It’s so cringey.
Sorry to inconvenience your Redcafe reading experience. Putler is a cnut though.
That’s beardist.
I know that Crimea is gone. What I was implying at was that after the botox face's actions, Zelenskyy is not going to give those areas away formally.
Putin and his war crimes targeting civilian buildings and killing children is disgusting.
Well he is the botoxface. Everybody knows it. And it is the least insult I could think of. This mad scum of the earth deserves much worse name calling than what has been written here. Botox will soon turn him into a mummy.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
US intelligence says he’s yelled at some people but he’s otherwise his usual self. They seem to have pretty good intelligence on him.
I just think it’s reductive to suggest he’s crazy and so any step taken could result in nuclear war. Many steps have been taken and he’s done nothing to those western countries.
The current “rules” are that Russia supplied one side, the US (perhaps with some help) supplies the other. Like in Syria, great care is taken to keep US troops from ever coming in contact with Russian troops, when there are troops in the area.
I don’t know who was there first, but the other one wasn’t afraid to go in and support the opposition. It seems reasonable to me to handle things similarly.
Absolutely terrifying.
As the Kenyan delegate to the UN noted the other day, it serves no good in a post-colonial world to continually resurrect these arguments, when former empire or former colony.
Thanks. We may not like the man's personal beliefs and policies, but his tweets have been interesting to follow during this war.
If there is going to be no infantry aid from other countries, nor NATO aviation, it seems reasonable to negotiate Crimea and Donetks/Luhanks. At least a serious referendum, trying to maintain Ukraine's political and military freedom.
I cannot imagine Putin returning to Moscow defeated without having obtained any advantage (if there were riots in Russia and serious opposition...) and no matter how disorganized his army is, they are still superior and can cause a massacre for months + the nuclear wild card that will increase.
I cannot imagine Putin returning to Moscow defeated without having obtained any advantage (if there were riots in Russia and serious opposition...) and no matter how disorganized his army is, they are still superior and can cause a massacre for months + the nuclear wild card that will increase.
They both want Crimea because there is a huge gas field/reserves around it in the black sea.
Yes, as has been explained a number of times before, he has access that others dont.
Really? Looks identical.
Denazifying…
This is derailing the thread and therefore my last post on this issue. Maybe “nation state” was the wrong term as that is more 19th century post-romanticism but England was formed as a unitary state by around 900 and has stayed basically within the same borders ever since. Any earlier examples in Europe? I can’t think of any.
Yeah you should probably stop advertising the cnut. He probably threaten the players he will kill them or something if they don't make him look good.
I don’t know. But as someone who resides in a secure country that can pursue a self-indulgent folly even like Brexit, I’m not about to start suggesting on a football forum that my Ukrainian friends and family resisting over there, hand over large parts of their land that aren’t occupied even today. I don’t think people realise that prior to last week, and even now pro-Russian forces control less than 50% of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.
Great address. This is also very true of the Balkans. However, there it's still especially annoying how so many people still look backward 100, 200, 500, 1000 years.
As if some savage killing people a millennium ago would improve anyone's life today. It's just a waste of energy and human life when conflicts occur because of some dumb argument from the distant past.
While the USSR collapsed a mere 30 years ago, so much has changed that it may as well be 200. But Putin is from the before times and refuses to live in reality, so here we are.
Bulgaria?
but someone has to make concessions.
I don't know if patriotism and bravery will be enough and from what I understand in Crimea they are basically Russians.
In fact, it would be good if they negotiate it before the Russians take Kiev/Kharkov parasitizing it indefinitely.
Crimea is definitely lost, that's just a fact of life at this point. The only way they're getting it back is if someone after Putin decides to give it back.
It is gone, but Ukraine will never accept that.
A good video on reallifelore on Youtube about this.
I heard on a couple of stations that this war is costing Putin 15 Billion dollars a day. If that’s the case, time is not on Putins side.
I've seen/read more than one Ukranian official use the line about compromise but not capitulation. I'm not so sure that they wouldn't concede any territory, I think that's just the line they've putting forward as strong message.
Can you cnuts stop saying Putler? It’s not having the impact you think it is by comparing him to that other fella. It’s just taking away from the actual named culprit Putin.
Considering he sent 18 yo conscripts with obsolete tanks and expired food, I highly doubt so.
Can't we call him Vladimir Pukin instead because he is making me sick.