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This fecking idiot was President of the United States for four years and got over 70m votes for reelection. Jesus.

He has the best foreign policy.

Sounds like something a child would say & it’s lapped up willingly by his worthless supporters.
 
If Russia can conquer Ukraine, I still consider Russia as a loser from this war. The reasons are due to their economic situations and a lot of boycotts.
 
Sanctions will not work and will push the Russians into closer economic ties with the Chinese. Sanctions only hurt ordinary people and usually have the opposite outcome and rally a country behind its leader and against the people imposing the sanctions on them. They never hurt the wealthy and powerful leaders they claim to target. Notice how careful the west are being in selecting sanctions that will do no or little damage to themselves. So yes I do not support action in the form of sanctions that are aimed at destroying the lives or ordinary people, like me, living in Russia.

In terms of this conflict the western media are every bit as culpable as the Russian state run media. My statement is not an assertion it is based on solid evidence. Have you not been watching and reading western media coverage? Both the west and Russia are feeding their respective publics with outright propaganda. Perhaps you would like to share an example of our wonderful news media and its impartiality in relation to this conflict.
As I asked in my original post, what should we be doing if not sanctions? Nothing?
 


This fecking idiot was President of the United States for four years and got over 70m votes for reelection. Jesus.


What a cnut. People like him deserve to be locked up in a mental institution, gagged when not fed, put into a straightjacket, and fed with porridge for the rest of his pathetic existence.
 
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As I asked in my original post, what should we be doing if not sanctions? Nothing?
The logic of the targets of sanctions is always the same. Please stop doing the sanctions that aren't working. Of course, if they didn't work you wouldn't hear anything out of them.

Edit: and this is how sanctions don't just hurt "ordinary people".

 
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This is not an insignificant number. You can virtually count the same number of US airforce losses in nearly 30 years of combat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...tates_military_aircraft_since_the_Vietnam_War

It is seemingly like the greatest trick Putin has every played is making the west thing he had a capable and competent military behind him.

Just a reminder that it is the Ukraine, not the US, not Germany, not England, not anybody who seemingly is a world power, but the motherfecking Ukraine that is making his army look average. It would take the US armed forces less than a week to overpower Russia.

Also from Putin’s comments it appears the sanctions are starting to hurt he and his friends massively.
 
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Rod Dreher is such a toolbag. I'm sure he's just angling for another vacation to Russia like he got to Hungary. I've seen the map called out as BS by other people who know more.
Looking at the language on the map ("liberated cites", "special military operation" etc.) I would imagine that it was taken from some Russian site, so yeah, it's hardly reliable.
 
Sanctions will not work and will push the Russians into closer economic ties with the Chinese. Sanctions only hurt ordinary people and usually have the opposite outcome and rally a country behind its leader and against the people imposing the sanctions on them. They never hurt the wealthy and powerful leaders they claim to target. Notice how careful the west are being in selecting sanctions that will do no or little damage to themselves. So yes I do not support action in the form of sanctions that are aimed at destroying the lives or ordinary people, like me, living in Russia.

In terms of this conflict the western media are every bit as culpable as the Russian state run media. My statement is not an assertion it is based on solid evidence. Have you not been watching and reading western media coverage? Both the west and Russia are feeding their respective publics with outright propaganda. Perhaps you would like to share an example of our wonderful news media and its impartiality in relation to this conflict.
I'm all for objectivity. This is, however, not true. Not even close.

Putin is doing this to denazify Ukraine, which isn't really a country anyway, and to protect the people of Donbass and Luhansk. Ukrainian soldiers are bombing schools and apartment buildings. They are using civilians as human shields. Before this special military operation, NATO wanted to destroy Russia.

Nothing here is really true. Is it?

As for Western media, the only blatant lie they're peddling is that NATO is completely innocent in the run up to this whole shitshow. And yes, we are all aware of American hypocrisy. This is a question about the media.
 
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Sanctions will not work and will push the Russians into closer economic ties with the Chinese. Sanctions only hurt ordinary people and usually have the opposite outcome and rally a country behind its leader and against the people imposing the sanctions on them. They never hurt the wealthy and powerful leaders they claim to target. Notice how careful the west are being in selecting sanctions that will do no or little damage to themselves. So yes I do not support action in the form of sanctions that are aimed at destroying the lives or ordinary people, like me, living in Russia.

In terms of this conflict the western media are every bit as culpable as the Russian state run media. My statement is not an assertion it is based on solid evidence. Have you not been watching and reading western media coverage? Both the west and Russia are feeding their respective publics with outright propaganda. Perhaps you would like to share an example of our wonderful news media and its impartiality in relation to this conflict.

Do you have the concept that 2 sides may both not be pure in intent or action but with one still being much worse than the other?

If I randomly flick your ear and you then decide to cut off my legs and then shoot my head off with a shotgun, are we equally culpable because we've both done something wrong?
 
I'm all for objectivity. This is, however, not true. Not even close.

It really is not close at all.
Which is precisely why Russia has started to massively restrict the freedom of speech in many ways and throws protestors into jail. Everybody knows their story only works if everyone else is not able to tell the other side. Obviously we're biased politically, but nowhere have I found any sign of significant restriction of freedom of speech and the likes here. We also broadcast what Russian officials have to say about this special military operation to denazify the Ukraine from the jewish president.
Also, to generalize western media into one entity is unreasonable, considering the completely different character of the different western media channels. You can't even compare FOX to CNN, nevermind FOX to ARD/ZDF from Germany.
 
It really is not close at all.
Which is precisely why Russia has started to massively restrict the freedom of speech in many ways and throws protestors into jail. Everybody knows their story only works if everyone else is not able to tell the other side. Obviously we're biased politically, but nowhere have I found any sign of significant restriction of freedom of speech and the likes here. We also broadcast what Russian officials have to say about this special military operation to denazify the Ukraine from the jewish president.
Also, to generalize western media into one entity is unreasonable, considering the completely different character of the different western media channels. You can't even compare FOX to CNN, nevermind FOX to ARD/ZDF from Germany.
Exactly
 
They’d realise as soon as they down an American pilot of course. Then America would be fighting Russia and China. Real brainy stuff from trump
4d chess again. You use Chinese American pilots!!! We turn Russia and China on each other and we reduce white replacement in the USA! LOCK HER UP! BUILD THE WALL!
 


This fecking idiot was President of the United States for four years and got over 70m votes for reelection. Jesus.

Nobody knows more about war than him. That is a genius move.
 
high ranked german military (responsible für Russia+Moscow especially) I know very well since childhood openly just said to me he's personally got the impression that Putin's gone pathologically crazy and everything seemed possible at this moment :nervous:
Nothing new, as this was speculated before, but kind of frightening to hear it from someone whom's judgement you'd trust without any hesitation.
 
It's probably worth mentioning that you have to change "e" in "fecking" to "u" to open the link as caf autocorrects it.

Thanks for the heads up, fascinating video, let's hope more Russians are willing to surrender rather than continue to kill or die themselves. Those lads come across as both brave and honourable, as I'm sure are the majority of the Russian forces who've been thrown into this shitty war. Turn around, march on the Kremlin, lop all the snakes' heads off and take back your country.
 
high ranked german military (responsible für Russia+Moscow especially) I know very well since childhood openly just said to me he's personally got the impression that Putin's gone pathologically crazy and everything seemed possible at this moment :nervous:
Nothing new, as this was speculated before, but kind of frightening to hear it from someone whom's judgement you'd trust without any hesitation.

If so, I reckon he’s gonna be topped (or toppled) by the end of the month. At which point they’re going to be so dependent on China that whoever is in charge in Moscow will be China’s puppet.

My distinct impression is that right now both China and USA are sitting back waiting for him to blow a fuse and then he’s gone.
 
If so, I reckon he’s gonna be topped (or toppled) by the end of the month. At which point they’re going to be so dependent on China that whoever is in charge in Moscow will be China’s puppet.

My distinct impression is that right now both China and USA are sitting back waiting for him to blow a fuse and then he’s gone.

Regime change would be the best thing that can happen at the moment, imo. It would open up the possibility for the west to lift the sanctions and start integrating Russia again, which is why I'm not 100% sure that whoever would be in charge in Moscow would be China's puppet. Ideally, he doesn't get killed but gets a fair trial and then rots in a cell forever. Unfortunately, I don't expect this to happen anytime soon.
 
Regime change would be the best thing that can happen at the moment, imo. It would open up the possibility for the west to lift the sanctions and start integrating Russia again, which is why I'm not 100% sure that whoever would be in charge in Moscow would be China's puppet. Ideally, he doesn't get killed but gets a fair trial and then rots in a cell forever. Unfortunately, I don't expect this to happen anytime soon.
He is too dangerous to be kept alive. Like Palpatine.

Putin dying on his sleep as soon as possible, followed by Russian leaders setting the blame exclusively on him and Russia being reintegrated in the West would be the best possible scenario.

I think it is hard to see it happening. He might be an irrational actor now and have gone mad, but he is still paranoid as feck, so a coup probably does not have a good chance of happening.
 
He is too dangerous to be kept alive. Like Palpatine.

Putin dying on his sleep as soon as possible, followed by Russian leaders setting the blame exclusively on him and Russia being reintegrated in the West would be the best possible scenario.

I think it is hard to see it happening. He might be an irrational actor now and have gone mad, but he is still paranoid as feck, so a coup probably does not have a good chance of happening.

Well, turned out well with Palpatine, didn't it? I'd prefer him alive, as the whole process of overthrowing him and trialing him would mean true legitimation of a new Russian government and them being able to blame it all on him personally. No need for conspiracy theories about his death for ongoing decades and how the west staged the coup and the likes. The cleanest end for the sake of the whole world would be Den Haag and then a cell till he dies of natural causes.
Don't think there's much of a chance at this moment for this to happen either, unfortunately.