Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Somebody asked for a summary, I'll do my best:

February: Putin's plan A to take Kyiv failed, as they didn't get to control the air bases.

March: Putin's plan B to take Kyiv was stalled indefinitely by Ukraine's resistance attacking their supply line. They weren't even able to occupy the border city of Kharkiv. They got better luck securing the southeast from Kherson to (not including) Mariupol.

April: Putin's plan B to take Kyiv failed, as their forces moved back to Russia to regroup. They somehow managed to also lose their biggest ship in the southeast front despite Ukraine not having a navy. Kharkiv and Mariupol still haven't fallen.

May: Mariupol finally fell. Though, Russia's plans to take Kharkiv were abandoned. The goalposts were moved to securing the Donbas.

June: After a whole month, Russian forces were able to take Severodonetsk. The rest of the fronts remain mainly stalled.

July: After occupying Lisichansk (the first big city west of the Donbas) the first week of the month, the eastern front got stalled. Ukraine starts a counter offensive in Kherson.

August: Ukraine's offensive in Kherson slowly advances. The port of Odessa exports grain for the first time since the beggining of the invasion. The russian occupation of Crimea is hit by Ukranian resistance for the first time as well. There's almost 40 days since the last significant russian gain.

Looking at the big picture, almost everyone (me included) overestimated the RA's power and underestimated Ukraine's resistance and the West's ressolve to intervene in the conflict.
 
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alexthelion said:
:lol:

They can't even take Ukraine, let alone the rest of Europe.

Dream on, Little Putin.
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Paxi is making a good case for why Russians should be banned from Europe. At least while the war is going on.
 
dove said:
Someone is really desperate for friends.
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Considering there was talks of north Korea sending 100.000 troops I can understand why. Not going to happen though.
 
Gehrman said:
Considering there was talks of north Korea sending 100.000 troops I can understand why. Not going to happen though.
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If they did I would offer North Korean defectors safe passage to Western Europe and see how many actually stay and fight. Would be interesting - even war torn Ukraine would show them how different life is outside North Korea.
 
Simbo said:
Mad lad, doing god's work.
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Unfortunately Ukraine civilians will suffer for decades after the active war ends. If the land was occupied at any stage you can bet it's mined as hell.
 
The article itself haven't been translated to English yet, but I'd imagine that they'll do it as fast as humanly possible.

The Important Stories, Russian independent media, have learned the names of some soldiers that were responsible for the civilian massacres in Kyiv's outskirts, called them and one had confessed.

Here's the original article (you can read it using googla-translate)
https://istories.media/investigations/2022/08/15/komandir-dal-prikaz-v-raskhod-ikh/

Here's their English page where the translation will probably appear soon
https://istories.media/en/
 
harms said:
The article itself haven't been translated to English yet, but I'd imagine that they'll do it as fast as humanly possible.

The Important Stories, Russian independent media, have learned the names of some soldiers that were responsible for the civilian massacres in Kyiv's outskirts, called them and one had confessed.

Here's the original article (you can read it using googla-translate)
https://istories.media/investigations/2022/08/15/komandir-dal-prikaz-v-raskhod-ikh/

Here's their English page where the translation will probably appear soon
https://istories.media/en/
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...Are those journalists safe?
 
Gehrman said:
Considering there was talks of north Korea sending 100.000 troops I can understand why. Not going to happen though.
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Its rather embarrassing for the mighty Russian military to have to grovel for troops from other countries because their own military is so inept.
 
Simbo said:
...Are those journalists safe?
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Yeah. Being designated as an "undesirable organisation" in Russia is a pretty good indication of trust-worthiness :)

Their founders, Olesya Shmagun & Roman Anin, worked on the Panama Papers archive, and got a Pulitzer for it (it was shared between all journalists involved in the investigation). They still specialise on those big investigations and so far they've been very reliable.
 
harms said:
Yeah. Being designated as an "undesirable organisation" in Russia is a pretty good indication of trust-worthiness :)

Their founders, Olesya Shmagun & Roman Anin, worked on the Panama Papers archive, and got a Pulitzer for it (it was shared between all journalists involved in the investigation). They still specialise on those big investigations and so far they've been very reliable.
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I think he meant whether they were safe from prosecution.
 
The Firestarter said:
I think he meant whether they were safe from prosecution.
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Simbo said:
...Are those journalists safe?
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Oh, my bad. They're not in Russia, so... relatively. Most of the independent Russian media (TV Rain, Meduza, Mediazona, Novaya Gazeta Europe etc.) work from abroad as they're otherwise criminally liable for publishing pretty much anything war-related.

But we've seen that being abroad is not a fail-safe option if Putin really wants to get to you.
 
Looks like another attack inside the territory of Crimea.


 
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I hope someone is making artillery pieces to send to Ukraine, or at least building out infrastructure to do so asap.
 
Its looking like another hugely significant hit. Judging by the amount of misslies cooking off in the clip, it seems clear all that MRLS shown above was still there, potentially more as a railway bridge further north was damaged last week which could of forced further pile up of storage here.

But also:
 
I think overall this is a better solution then a full ban on Russians entering the country. Russians who have a valid reason to visit will still be able to but it stops Finland being used as a transit country for rich Russians going on holliday in southern Europe, which have been the case this summer.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12578158

Minister for Foreign Affairs Pekka Haavisto (Green) said that Finland will limit the number of Russian visa applications that it accepts to around 10 percent of the current level.
Haavisto said the changes will take effect at the beginning of September. The government met at the House of Estates in Helsinki on Tuesday to discuss visas for Russians. No firm decisions had been expected from the informal meeting.
Finland now accepts about 1,000 visa applications from Russians every day, but plans to only accept about 100 daily as of next month.
The Ministry for Foreign Affairs has prepared a model under which priority would be given to those applying for visas due to family reasons, work or study.
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the hea said:
I think overall this is a better solution then a full ban on Russians entering the country. Russians who have a valid reason to visit will still be able to but it stops Finland being used as a transit country for rich Russians going on holliday in southern Europe, which have been the case this summer.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12578158
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Correct me if I am wrong but nobody ever discussed or implemented a "full ban" on Russians. The countries like Estonia did essentially the same as Finland, which is stopping issuing tourist visas but you can still get it for work or if you have family members.
 
I wouldn't mind a few caftards leaving a few comments on this tweet.

 
So have there been two or three big sabotage attacks in Crimea today? Seemed like there were already 2 when I woke up this morning, and then the guardian reported a third at about midday, but I don’t know whether that was simply late or updated reporting of one of the earlier ones. Either way they look pretty effective. The one that seemed to be at an ammo or fuel storage facility was firing off in all directions, it must have caused some serious destruction. Less sure about the apparent electrical substation, i can only assume it was near a military target, or was itself militarily important. Either way, these seem significant events. Russia is resupplying it’s Kherson defensive through Crimea and the Kerch bridge (next target), the Ukraine seems to be doing a good job of isolating those armies still West of the Dneiper. Next few weeks will be very interesting.
 
Gehrman said:
I wouldn't mind a few caftards leaving a few comments on this tweet.

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Well, views of some company don't reflect the views of the country but it's a bit ironic it came from French. I would guess Germans would produce similar content.
 
dove said:
Correct me if I am wrong but nobody ever discussed or implemented a "full ban" on Russians. The countries like Estonia did essentially the same as Finland, which is stopping issuing tourist visas but you can still get it for work or if you have family members.
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I haven't been following this discussion closely so you'r probably right. I just took for granted it was a full ban because of the Russians strong reactions.
 
the hea said:
I haven't been following this discussion closely so you'r probably right. I just took for granted it was a full ban because of the Russians strong reactions.
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Yea, media are always trying to sell clicks with their headlines. But as far as I am aware, full ban was never on the cards or suggested by any politician.
 
Raoul said:
She's probably on the Russian payroll.
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Having looked at a few of her tweets just now, I was going to suggest she’s just a nutter but maybe you’re right.

I saw another charming piece of Russian disinformation on Facebook this week - an illustrated information sheet supposedly photographed by a concerned mother at a UK primary school (meaning young children) which was teaching the children to be nice to paedos (in so many words).
 
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