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Would the Belarussian military tolerate getting involved though?
And if true, I reckon we'd see more official Western reports about it.
Absolutely mental if true.
I don't think Lukashenko can do anything if sanctioned by NATO. He is after all a dictator, and is therefore going to be all in on collaborating with Putin since much of his power and autonomy are derived by Putin allowing him to remain in power.
Belarus has been de facto occupied by Russia already since 2020, thus all sanctions that are applied to Russia should extend to them too. As you say he’s now a governor of Belarus oblast and is fully dependent on Putin and as such doesn’t have any room for maneuver no more.
This is the point of divergence. Germany was re-integrated because they surrendered unconditionally and a proper internal reckoning was had.
That will not happen in Russia.
This article in the WP says it will take "a few years" to build and deliver the 18 Himars to Ukraine. What's the fecking point then? The US stocks can't be so low that they have to build them first. Ukraine can't win if these things take years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/28/himars-ukraine/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/28/himars-ukraine/
If only you guys didn’t go full Putin 9 years earlier!
Apologies if posted earlier…
I'd have to ask 2 of my friends who are pro-russian and who claimed that Russia attacked Ukraine cause they were provoked by Americans if they changed their stance. Probably not and probably they'll claim Russia annexed Ukrainian territories cause they were provoked... I'm avoiding them in a big circle.
Ukraine has made several deals already for the next years, this fits right into it. It ensures that they will have a NATO standard army after war, and if the war should take years that they will have a steady influx of new systems.
I still do not see enough deterrence against nuclear deployment from Russia. It should be made really clear that any attempt will result in the complete destruction of Russia. This weakness will be exploited again and with every day that western leaders remain non-commital the likelihood that’s going to be used by Russia increases. That’s the only language those drug addicts in Kremlin get.
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This sort of thing will have been conveyed privately, not in public.
Hopefully.
I have the same issue. Two mates who just think this is purely the fault of NATO/US. Mainly stemming from “overthrowing the democratically elected president of Ukraine in 2014” which forced Putin to do what he did. All a load of gash about how we should negotiate with Putin for peace and “stop using Ukrainians as pawns”.
Does. My. fecking. Nut.
Plenty of idiots like that around here these days too, pretty much the same morons who were antivax and all before - though I must say even within that group (antivax/denialists) most are still anti-Russian anyway. There is only so much traction online Russian propaganda can get.
Do you mean Poland? Are there pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian people in Poland today???
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And rightly so
There are some. It’s a small minority and the political party that tries to spread anti-Ukrainian/pro-Russian sentiments has gone from polling at 10-11% to 5-6% but it is nonetheless concerning that they exist at all. And they do tend to make a lot of noise, like all idiots.
How much does annexing territories change in the grand scheme of things. Putin said attacking here will be treated like attack on Russia, but there were some explosions in Russia already and in Crimea too.
I hope this doesn't mean a potential move further to them using nuclear weapons, even tactical.
I hope this doesn't mean a potential move further to them using nuclear weapons, even tactical.
Yes, the same, the west is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian and stuff and if they were just and nice Russia wouldn't have ever moved. They were pressured to attack a neighbouring country and annex 15 percent of their territory. Mental.
Current government was put in force in Ukraine and wasn't elected so I guess Russia has a right up judge which Ukrainian government is OK and potentially overthrow it just because.
The best part was when one of them said 'Russia lies less."
I was like, you made that conclusion from your huge expertise on the subject or what?
I see. Thanks for the info! I believe that in any democracy you will find a percentage of 5-6% for anything - or against anything. I am afraid that in the USA and UK the percentage of those who would support Putin over Ukraine is much higher!... We can only ignore those people (while in autocratic states like Russia they jail them) ... it is a price we pay for having democracy and free speech.
Yeah, sometimes they're antivaxers but as you said even many those of those are not pro Russian.
Those friends I was mentioning are xenophobic and racist so it goes hand in hand I guess.
Probably a desperate attempt to stop losing more ground. It's embarassing for Russia to be swept away so easily right now, and this is probably an attempt to stop further routing
Is warmonitor even a reliable source?
So far, they usually don't report troops' movement, but actually happened events - bombings, shelling, etc.
Its an OSINT source followed by major journos.
No fecking way!
And I thought almost all modern armies had moved towards lighter kevlar helmets while their designs are closer to the German stahlhelm simply because wide brims protect the neck and the back of the head while not hindering peripheral vision. Just the use of steel helmets alone is silly in 2022, when kevlar is already making those lighter.
Well, I guess NATO will have to go back to one of the original options that should have been used to force Russia to stand down. That option is to put a naval stranglehold upon Kaliningrad, especially after the recent pipeline sabotage incidents. Oh, and Lukashenko is a dog.
The problem with the 'total destruction of Russia' (next to 100 million deaths there) is that it also comes with the total destruction of Europe/US and hundreds of millions of deaths there.
As best possible scenario.