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Its also never been confirmed it was a truck bomb, even the osint crowd gave up on figuring it out. Same with Saki airbase.

Only one semi-confirmed was engels air base. Probably hit with those ancient soviet drones, converted to cruise missiles.
 
cos... it pretty obviously is.

On the narrative it creates: The biggest threat to Putin is, and always has been, the Russian people. Stuff like this gives them an enemy that all Dictators need to survive. The reputation of Russian air defences is probably a bit lower down on his priorities.
I agree that the biggest danger to Putin is the Russian people but I don't see how this makes them rally behind him. Putins power comes from the idea that he is the only one who can protect the Russian people from the evil west, this has been the idea that he has been pushing with his propaganda for a long time now. I don't see how someone attacking the heart of the country with some cheap drones convinces the Russian people that this is the man that can protect them.
 
That's simply wrong. Ukraine definitely attacked the Engels air base, which is a similar distance as Moscow. So we know they can do it.

With shells and drones, yes. We're talking here about carrying a bomb either by truck or by boat. Both extremly unlikely given the tight security on land and the geographical location with an approach by water, as I mentioned Russia expected an attack on that bridge since its opening.

The missile terror started way before the Crimean bridge attack but it "allowed" the Russian propaganda to push the response angle that some people, including yourself, have picked up. Russia and Putin doesn't need excuses to initiate attacks, they create them after the fact, usually quite poorly.

They needed an excuse at home for their own people watching the new level of civilian terror for sure.
As I said already, those seperate attacks prior were not comparable with Surovikin's systematic terror waves. That's the whole reason he was appointed in the first place. What other reason than "Ukrainian terror" could Putin have used to justify these missiles waves? Nah, for me the timing of the bridge attack, Surovikin's appointment and missile waves was definetly not coincidental.

But we go in circles here and will probably never know the truth, so everyone can of course believe whatever they want. Lets end this topic here, at least from my side.
 
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If this is indeed no flase flag (I don't think it is) then this will probably make Putin go full hitler in his bunker. An explosive was delivered right above his day office. Imagine it was some unconventional type of explosive (they can get rather small and carried by some drones) . It's unreal they can't protect their fecking presidential palace. Was there actually AA activity before the first explosion, I haven't watched all the videos.
 
I don't understand why everyone is assuming the drone incident is a false flag operation, this is is massive humiliation to the Russian air defences and makes Putin and his armed forces look even weaker infront of the Muscovites. Russia has always considered it's air defences among the best in the world, the fact that someone is able to fly a cheap drone over what should be the best protected place in the country is another huge failure for the armed forces and makes Putin and his generals look even weaker.

Probably because it’s a historical part of Putin’s playbook.
 
If this is indeed no flase flag (I don't think it is) then this will probably make Putin go full hitler in his bunker. An explosive was delivered right above his day office. Imagine it was some unconventional type of explosive (they can get rather small and carried by some drones) . It's unreal they can't protect their fecking presidential palace. Was there actually AA activity before the first explosion, I haven't watched all the videos.

They are incredibly inept in terms of their military campaign so it wouldn’t be a surprise to learn they were comparably inept in protecting Moscow. They haven’t after all had to deal with being attacked there before.
 
His playbook is to kill (his own) people though.

I suppose if he could damage parts of Moscow it could be used as a domestic pretext to use more deadly weapons in Ukrainian cities. Far too early to tell though.
 
If this is indeed no flase flag (I don't think it is) then this will probably make Putin go full hitler in his bunker. An explosive was delivered right above his day office. Imagine it was some unconventional type of explosive (they can get rather small and carried by some drones) . It's unreal they can't protect their fecking presidential palace. Was there actually AA activity before the first explosion, I haven't watched all the videos.
But what were those people climbing the dome doing at 230am seconds before the drone exploded above it with (posing quite clearly minimal threat to anyone at all let alone Putin who was unlikely anywhere near the place)??

Coincidence? Hard to believe.
 
But what were those people climbing the dome doing at 230am seconds before the drone exploded above it with (posing quite clearly minimal threat to anyone at all let alone Putin who was unlikely anywhere near the place)??

Coincidence? Hard to believe.
In one of the twitter threads shared here, it was said that it happened between the two explosions , so they were climbing to inspect the explosion from the first drone. It wouldn't make sense to be people there if false flag was getting staged. They'd just blow a drone in the air.
 
I agree that the biggest danger to Putin is the Russian people but I don't see how this makes them rally behind him. Putins power comes from the idea that he is the only one who can protect the Russian people from the evil west, this has been the idea that he has been pushing with his propaganda for a long time now. I don't see how someone attacking the heart of the country with some cheap drones convinces the Russian people that this is the man that can protect them.

Putin can do whatever he wants in Russia and this is exactly the sort of thing he can do and absolutely noone is going to question it.

All the people with a functioning brain have been against him from the start. As for everyone else do you really think they'll look at this and think Putin is weak? They are the same idiots who chose Putin over their own humanity. There won't be any grumbling over this one...
 
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Same media that was saying something completely different woth proofs abd receipts of rental of boats with scuba gear.
I have no recollection of that story. Share a link and I can tell you if it's the same media. This was reported by DR who have been running a series of investigate articles on Russian maritime activities in Danish waters lately.

Honestly sounds a bit like you are having a moment where "media" is a collective unit, and in collusion with "them" though.
 
I have no recollection of that story. Share a link and I can tell you if it's the same media. This was reported by DR who have been running a series of investigate articles on Russian maritime activities in Danish waters lately.

Honestly sounds a bit like you are having a moment where "media" is a collective unit, and in collusion with "them" though.

When I "same media", I say media in general not a particular denmark newspaper. but here are some links

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

(Danish media) https://www.thelocal.dk/20230308/nord-stream-sabotage-linked-to-ukrainian-owned-yacht

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ched-boat-nord-stream-saboteurs-may-have-used

(I believe the same danish newspaper than last news): https://www.information.dk/udland/2...rene-foerer-ukraine-historien-langtfra-lukket

Again, US, Rusia and europe knew who did it and we will never know
 
It is hard to make up wether this was a false flag. But the implications are the same. There seems to be no limits to the madness of the Russian leaders. And it’s hard to disagree with Guy on this. There is no point keeping any weapons form the UA. All our previous hesitations have been proven to be stupid and damming.

 
It is hard to make up wether this was a false flag. But the implications are the same. There seems to be no limits to the madness of the Russian leaders. And it’s hard to disagree with Guy on this. There is no point keeping any weapons form the UA. All our previous hesitations have been proven to be stupid and damming.

It's just frustrating. The only thing keeping this conflict alive is the cowardice by some of today's presidents, Macron and Scholz before all. We are the only ones who fear an escalation with Russia, even though Nato is stronger by far. Russia is weaker in reality, but knows how to exploit western fears.
 
When I "same media", I say media in general not a particular denmark newspaper. but here are some links

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

(Danish media) https://www.thelocal.dk/20230308/nord-stream-sabotage-linked-to-ukrainian-owned-yacht

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ched-boat-nord-stream-saboteurs-may-have-used

(I believe the same danish newspaper than last news): https://www.information.dk/udland/2...rene-foerer-ukraine-historien-langtfra-lukket

Again, US, Rusia and europe knew who did it and we will never know
those are different Danish media outlets and they are referencing German investigations.

I know it's easy to just skip ahead and opt for the conspiracy logic, but given the low level of corruption in Denmark, I think the most plausible scenario is that the authorities will publish their findings truthfully when the investigation has concluded and won't be sharing details until then. And yes, proper investigations take time. It is not just a matter of "we saw Russian boats in these satellite photos after a few weeks of investigating, so it was them. alert the press."

I imagine that DR has a source there, so I consider it plausible that what DR is now reporting is in line with working theory of the investigate department.
 
If this is indeed no flase flag (I don't think it is) then this will probably make Putin go full hitler in his bunker. An explosive was delivered right above his day office. Imagine it was some unconventional type of explosive (they can get rather small and carried by some drones) . It's unreal they can't protect their fecking presidential palace. Was there actually AA activity before the first explosion, I haven't watched all the videos.
Putin is almost never in Kremlin, so I wouldn’t call it his day office.
 
It is hard to make up wether this was a false flag. But the implications are the same. There seems to be no limits to the madness of the Russian leaders. And it’s hard to disagree with Guy on this. There is no point keeping any weapons form the UA. All our previous hesitations have been proven to be stupid and damming.


His reaction would’ve been the same if it was a genuine attack, so it’s a poor argument. In fact, if Russia had the means to kill Zelensky, they would’ve done it by now (they’ve tried at the very beginning).
 


Hopefully Prigozhin will start some inner trouble and order Wagner to retreat.
 
What do you make of Ponomarev’s abovr claim it was done by internal Russian partisans ?
Ignoring him completely, regardless of what he’s saying, is the right course of action, the guy is a clown (even though he’s on the right side at the moment).

Partisans clearly exist but the possibility of him being connected to them, like he claims, is pretty slim. As for this particular case, it looks, from the very little that we know, that it was a big drone like those that were found near Moscow after they fell down — and those are more likely to be sent from the Ukrainian territory (as opposed to smaller repurposed civilian drones that would’ve been sent from somewhere close). But we really don’t know much.
 
Ignoring him completely, regardless of what he’s saying, is the right course of action, the guy is a clown (even though he’s on the right side at the moment).

Partisans clearly exist but the possibility of him being connected to them, like he claims, is pretty slim. As for this particular case, it looks, from the very little that we know, that it was a big drone like those that were found near Moscow after they fell down — and those are more likely to be sent from the Ukrainian territory (as opposed to smaller repurposed civilian drones that would’ve been sent from somewhere close). But we really don’t know much.

Thanks. I don’t know much about the guy, so that definitely helps contextualize things a bit.
 
Hopefully Prigozhin will start some inner trouble and order Wagner to retreat.

That would be good, and I guess he's setting it up like that. Wagner retreat because of "lack of support" from Russia, so he doesn't have to admit the failure to have a significant impact on the war.
 
Always has been. He hates everything American and thus eager to speak his poisonous nonsense just to shit in the US.

The further left one goes, the more one sees an ideological convergence with right wing populist rhetoric. In Chomsky’s case it’s more so coincidental than intentional. In the case of Greenwald, there’s definitely a grift involved.
 
The further left one goes, the more one sees an ideological convergence with right wing populist rhetoric. In Chomsky’s case it’s more so coincidental than intentional. In the case of Greenwald, there’s definitely a grift involved.
Yep, agree with this (the main point, dunno who is Greenwald).
 
Glenn Greenwald. Self aggrandizing lefty journo who frequently appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show.
Left wingers who appear on that prick’s show are the worst. Tulsi leading them although I guess she has become hardcore Republican by now.
 
Left wingers who appear on that prick’s show are the worst. Tulsi leading them although I guess she has become hardcore Republican by now.
I don't think Tulsi could ever have been described as left wing.