Ultimately, its the price of oil that will hurt the Russian economy the most. If 50% or so if Russian funds come from the sale of oil and gas and the prices remain depressed, then that's bad for Putin and the Russian state. Everything was great when oil was at 100-110, but recently it has been between 30-65 and there's a good chance we are going back to the 40s soon, so that will hurt. When you combine that with sanctions and other means then that is not a good thing for Putin.
Russia's at it again
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Ultimately, its the price of oil that will hurt the Russian economy the most. If 50% or so if Russian funds come from the sale of oil and gas and the prices remain depressed, then that's bad for Putin and the Russian state. Everything was great when oil was at 100-110, but recently it has been between 30-65 and there's a good chance we are going back to the 40s soon, so that will hurt. When you combine that with sanctions and other means then that is not a good thing for Putin.
I'm pretty sure that's been the Iraq War apologist line since no WMDs were found, that Blair was going off what the intelligence service said. I'm not sure what point you think you're making here.
Well tomorrow is another day and no doubt we will wake up to Russia’s response to our expelling of their diplomats.
You re optimistic any of us will wake up tomorrow. Can't say it hasn't been an interesting ride the last year or so folks. I enjoyed posting here.
There's a difference between the colossal feck up that was Iraq and this case where Russia's most likely doing something it's got an extended history of doing. And unlike in Iraq no on here is calling for outright war, which would clearly be catastrophic.
Time to post this again - 'Inside The War Room' By BBC. Hypothetical scenario of confrontation with Russia.
If shit kicked off we'd all be fecked either way.
If shit kicked off we'd all be fecked either way.
It's worrying how easily people have accepted the claim that Russia was responsible for the recent "assassination" (although I guess it's no surprise, given the way Russia has been used as a prop in American politics of late).
Regardless, should it prove to have been Russia, I think we can all agree that the real crime was in not using a drone, it's 2018 after all. That and not having an existing weapons contract with us before bringing death to our streets.
The timing of this sorry mess is also rather...regrettable. I guess the latest abuse scandal will be dealt with at a later date.
Regardless, should it prove to have been Russia, I think we can all agree that the real crime was in not using a drone, it's 2018 after all. That and not having an existing weapons contract with us before bringing death to our streets.
The timing of this sorry mess is also rather...regrettable. I guess the latest abuse scandal will be dealt with at a later date.
What are we getting out of pretending it's Russia?
To demonstrate how toothlessly we're able to respond, of course.
He's right, it must have been the Libyans again.
I didn't say we were pretending, although who knows? Perhaps the government simply has no idea who did it.
In either case the motives are numerous. Firstly, it's not great optics to potentially have a political assassination on your doorstep. There's basic political capital in just being able to "solve" the mystery, not to mention in taking a hard line response. This will be used to grandstand, to inflate the threat of a "weak" Labour government and to no doubt justify legislative actions.
It also should be remembered that a lot of money is being spent to push the narrative that Russia is an existential threat to the west, by America in particular (our allies) for numerous reasons, with the most obvious being as to create a way for the DCCC to attack Trump without actually promising to change anything.
Again. Could still have been Russia. But after Iraq, have we not learned to have suspicion? All governments kill and lie to further their agenda.
I suspect it's the russian after all, but if there's a slight possibility of it being someone else england will have egg on their face.
Tbf they're in a hard spot. Denying russian involvement isnt an option either, so did prematurely accusing the russian.
I have no idea what proove they have in hand but it's a difficult situation i must say
Tbf they're in a hard spot. Denying russian involvement isnt an option either, so did prematurely accusing the russian.
I have no idea what proove they have in hand but it's a difficult situation i must say
Of course they were pen pushers. They came on official diplomatic missions so they’re already marked as potential intelligence agents without any confirmation necessary. They wouldn’t be able to carry out any important field work as such. Their job would be to process the information gathered by the real spies operating here, the ones that no one knows about. I bet they’re not even all FSB.
Really..you know they were pen pushers! How?
Even if it wasn't Russia who carried out the assassination, they have breached international law by losing control of their chemical weapons.
I'm curious as to which body, apart from Russia, people think would have been able to carry out such an attack?
Either the Jews, the Ukrainians or the Tartars I'd guess?
Anyone is capable if they wanted to. It isnt hard to kill a 60 year old civilian in his home for any highly trained operatives / black ops specialist
Seriously though, if Corbyn was prime minister and he felt he couldn't trust his intelligence services, who precisely would he take counsel from in these matters? Or would be only believe a nation is a threat to national security if said nation signed a confession admitting such? Beyond this specific example, if Corbyn and followers mistrust British intelligence services, then who exactly will they source their information from in order to make an assessment on such matters?
Will everything a Prime Minister Corbyn is told by the intelligence services be dismissed by some angry semi-retired geography teacher in a cardigan holding a placard with the 'B-Liar' pun emblazoned on it, shouting "IRAQ"?
Will everything a Prime Minister Corbyn is told by the intelligence services be dismissed by some angry semi-retired geography teacher in a cardigan holding a placard with the 'B-Liar' pun emblazoned on it, shouting "IRAQ"?
I can't believe Corbyn handed May a boost like this just when everything was going well for him. Its almost akin to Stevie G slipping against Chelsea. She can play the patriot card hard and often now.
Not with such a chemical weapon that has 'signatures' that links it to the Russians. It would either be the Russians or a body with access to the blackest of black markets. Then you have to have the audacity to carry out such an execution. It really is a very small amount of agents that could carry this out.
Tbf if it's anyone other than russian they must have an agenda on making the russian the scapegoat.
Probably north korean? Eyeing for something to distract the european ahead of the summit? Enemy of putin? Terrorist? Russian and us has many enemies.
Unless the russians wants the world to know its them using a highly specific method of execution is abit dodgy
I thought North Korea tbh. They have form for this type of execution.
The thing is with Putin's Russia is though is that they do want the world to know that they will do stuff like this. It is part of Putin's posturing to his own people trying to project an image of boldness and importance on the world stage. It all deflects from their economy which actually shows they are a long way behind many states in terms of global importance.
Russia has announced they will soon be expelling British diplomats.
Bet they’ll be glad to get home.
Bet they’ll be glad to get home.
Russia really doesn't seem to care that one of its own citizens (Yulia Skripal) was murdered abroad. What a strange reaction...
It's pretty obvious Russia carried out the assassination and did so in such a way for it to be obvious it was them. Same as Litvinenko.
It's pretty obvious Russia carried out the assassination and did so in such a way for it to be obvious it was them. Same as Litvinenko.
From 2014:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/...ss.html?referer=https://t.co/BO98epNcBW?amp=1NYT said:
Yep. Papers today - Sun and Mail - are hammering over it, calling him a traitor. I think it's on issues like this - who he has associated with/where his allegiances lie, where he is most vulnerable to attack.
What's the consensus on this then? Probably Russia but, if not, North Korea?
Perhaps the newspapers should save their outrage for the Prime Minister you can have dinner with if you pay £50000...you know, the same Prime Minister that's ending free school meals for children.
Oh no, I'm not sure how he's going to survive without the Sun and Mail's unquestionable backing...
Don't get your knickers in a twist people. Countries do this all the time. Britain and America are constantly murdering people they consider a threat using drones, the Russians have done thier own version of the same thing in the UK.
There will be no conflict, just a bit of diplomatic hoo haa to make it look like we care and then slowly everything will return to normal.
If Britain doesn't want other countries traitors being killed on its soil then Britain should stop harbouring other peoples traitors. London is full of people like that, its the go to destination for political criminals.
There will be no conflict, just a bit of diplomatic hoo haa to make it look like we care and then slowly everything will return to normal.
If Britain doesn't want other countries traitors being killed on its soil then Britain should stop harbouring other peoples traitors. London is full of people like that, its the go to destination for political criminals.
Neatly taken the focus off the government's Brexit shambles, hasn't it? How convenient.
To be fair, they have stopped short of accusing him of the murders. Maybe they can blame plastic particles in water on him instead.
Are you implying that the UK government framed Russia by assassinating a double agent spy with a chemical weapon on its own territory to get Brexit through quietly?
I suppose it has slightly more credibility than Russia's claim that we did it because we are bitter about them hosting the World Cup.
Have any details about the nerve agent used emerged?
I would guess that's why they appear sure it's Russian.
I would guess that's why they appear sure it's Russian.
Yes its something called Novichok (newcomer) No. 5. A military grade nerve agent developed by the Soviets in the cold war that they kept secret until one of the scientists blew the lid on it.
If only someone had suggested this a couple of days ago...
Jezza said:
doesn't even call to nuke them, what a fecking pussy