SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

sugar_kane said:
A second wave is clearly going to happen (if it isn't happening already) but it would be helpful if a bit more scrutiny was applied to how case data is being gathered, eg. how many people are being tested vs. 2/3 months ago, and are the tests more effective?

I'm genuinely interested to know whether 3,000 daily cases in Spain (for example) today is the equivalent to 3,000 daily cases in Spain in May. Not that it should make us any less vigilant (it absolutely shouldn't) but it helps us better understand what is happening with the disease and how effective the treatments and measures in place are.

Also on the topic of Spain, what the hell is going on with their deaths data? It's basically 2 a day for weeks now, it can't possibly be true.
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Spain are also including anti body tests.
 
redshaw said:
UK 120 deaths and 880 cases.

Looks like we're joining the resurgence party in Europe and we never got the numbers down enough to begin with.
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Well the numbers did go down everywhere because of lockdown, some on here thought it was a good idea to open up when it clearly is not. 'Do you think we should lockdown forever' said some. Well yeah, if the pattern of fall / rise keeps happening then by proxy it will go on forever.
 
Smores said:
Have many here been back in bars and restaurants yet? Is it back to normal or are people actually distancing?

It occurs to me that given I've barely left my house apart from food, childcare and haircut so I've little concept of what the world is like.
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I've not. Walked past my nearest beer garden (behind a pub I've only ever been in once as it was shite) earlier and it was heaving with people, far more than I'd be comfortable sitting among in normal circumstances, nevermind now. Sadly all the pubs near me are shite and I'd have to make a trip into the centre of Manchester to go to one that I'd have faith was taking this in any way seriously.
 
Stanley Road said:
Well the numbers did go down everywhere because of lockdown, some on here thought it was a good idea to open up when it clearly is not. 'Do you think we should lockdown forever' said some. Well yeah, if the pattern of fall / rise keeps happening then by proxy it will go on forever.
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But it can’t go on forever. At a point life has to go on because there is no life to protect.
 
Stanley Road said:
Well the numbers did go down everywhere because of lockdown, some on here thought it was a good idea to open up when it clearly is not. 'Do you think we should lockdown forever' said some. Well yeah, if the pattern of fall / rise keeps happening then by proxy it will go on forever.
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Then many people will die of poverty and other problems alas totally defeating the object of lockdown in the first place.

There has to be a balance somewhere, do we really want to consign our children/grandchildren to a life of just living to merely exist, at best?
 
horsechoker said:
Let's hope this resurgence is nipped in the bud. I wouldn't advocate introducing full lockdown measures but governments should go back a stage if necessary.

People might also be becoming too relaxed and need to correct their behaviour
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At the time you posted that I was in my local Tesco Extra, on the way from Ashton to Oldham - a covid hotspot. I was in a minority by wearing a mask, with those who weren't being your typical local meathead middle aged blokes and younger men who obviously spend a lot of time in the gym. Asserting their alpha-Ness being as loud as possible obviously hoping to draw attention to themselves and their unmasked faces. cnuts basically.

On the way there and back I passed a barbers shop, where neither barbers or the people getting their tramlines shaved wore masks.

We're in this global situation for the long haul as idiocy is endemic.
 
Too many people dgaf because they're selfish, stupid, genuinely unaware, or think if they're caught breaking the rules, nothing will happen.

New restrictions need to be easier to manage for the authorities, and punishable.
 
decorativeed said:
I've not. Walked past my nearest beer garden (behind a pub I've only ever been in once as it was shite) earlier and it was heaving with people, far more than I'd be comfortable sitting among in normal circumstances, nevermind now. Sadly all the pubs near me are shite and I'd have to make a trip into the centre of Manchester to go to one that I'd have faith was taking this in any way seriously.
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Ive been the pub numerous times now and it’s been really well done. Been to the Parr’s Wood/Woodstock and Fletcher Moss around Didsbury way. All of them had socially distanced well.
 
Wumminator said:
Ive been the pub numerous times now and it’s been really well done. Been to the Parr’s Wood/Woodstock and Fletcher Moss around Didsbury way. All of them had socially distanced well.
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I really should update my location. Sure the bars in Chorlton and Didsbury are doing a much better job than those here in Ashton. I mean they know how to draw in customers by serving beer from breweries other than Robinsons for a start!
 
sugar_kane said:
Also on the topic of Spain, what the hell is going on with their deaths data? It's basically 2 a day for weeks now, it can't possibly be true.
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deaths usually comes 2 weeks after the infections. the spike started 1 week ago approx.
 
acnumber9 said:
But it can’t go on forever. At a point life has to go on because there is no life to protect.
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Life go on?? You mean open up, infect others, lockdown, open up, infect others etc? Thats the current trend almost globally, how would you stop that trend?
 
A coronavirus spike means a tightening of Britain's lockdown and a Tory MP blames ethnic minorities.

 
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I’ve gone down to Cornwall for the first time in six months to see family. Locals are obviously furious at the amount of tourists coming down, but at the same time there’s so many people/places not giving a shit about things. I haven’t seen one person wearing a mask in the local shop to where I’m staying. A lot of the bars are set up well outdoors, but indoors it’s just business as usual.

It’s anti holidaymakers at the best of times here, but it’s a whole new level now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s local lockdowns by September, but it’ll be as much the fault of the locals as the tourists.
 
Dan_F said:
I’ve gone down to Cornwall for the first time in six months to see family. Locals are obviously furious at the amount of tourists coming down, but at the same time there’s so many people/places not giving a shit about things. I haven’t seen one person wearing a mask in the local shop to where I’m staying. A lot of the bars are set up well outdoors, but indoors it’s just business as usual.

It’s anti holidaymakers at the best of times here, but it’s a whole new level now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s local lockdowns by September, but it’ll be as much the fault of the locals as the tourists.
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I know what you mean. My partner came up to Scotland from London for a a week and a bit recently (After not seeing each other for 4-5 months due to respecting the lockdown and precautions) and we would always make sure to be distancing from people, wearing masks etc. There were a bunch of local people I saw during that period who were not respecting the rules or wearing masks etc. It's frustrating because it makes you question whether you're doing the right thing but we made sure that we were as safe as possible. It is about common sense but sadly the majority of the nation does not have it at all so you cannot rely on that as your stance.
 
It's weird how people are wearing masks in some areas and not in others. I was in a massive Tesco in Lancashire this afternoon and every single person was masked up, without exception. Being school holidays there were lots of older children/young teenagers and they were all in masks too, all of them. Same in the garage paying for petrol, everyone put their mask on before going in to pay.
 
711 said:
It's weird how people are wearing masks in some areas and not in others. I was in a massive Tesco in Lancashire this afternoon and every single person was masked up, without exception. Being school holidays there were lots of older children/young teenagers and they were all in masks too, all of them. Same in the garage paying for petrol, everyone put their mask on before going in to pay.
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Not even areas. You get massive variation from venue to venue. I go to two climbing gyms. In one of them everyone wears a face covering. But you don’t even see one in the other place. Yet they’re both working to the same rules. It’s really odd.
 
Boris should introduce a curfew...and if you break the rules, £250 fine.
 
Tibs said:
Boris should introduce a curfew...and if you break the rules, £250 fine.
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What benefit would a curfew have? Would limiting the hours people can be out and about not just increase the numbers of people out at the same time which is even worse for transmission?
 
Redplane said:
Keeping it classy on the south coast.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...acked-despite-covid-19-social-distancing-plea

Some of the pics I've seen the beaches are so packed and littered with crap that even under normal circumstances I wouldn't wanna hang out there.
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Yeah, it’s nuts, we’re not even considering planning any kind of (I hate myself for using this really shit word ... forgive me lord) staycation (aaaargh, who invented that word?) as everywhere will be the same, rammed with people who are beyond care and awareness.
 
Redplane said:
Keeping it classy on the south coast.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...acked-despite-covid-19-social-distancing-plea

Some of the pics I've seen the beaches are so packed and littered with crap that even under normal circumstances I wouldn't wanna hang out there.
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I live in Anglesey and so surrounded by beaches . No one local goes to the touristy beaches as they are packed out , covered in litter and disgusting. It is either don't go to the beach or go to the lesser known places where you have to walk a mile maybe to get there but it's as normal and quiet and clean when you are there .
Treaddur bay area all the houses on the coast are holiday homes and it was magical during full lockdown, there wasn't a soul about , like a ghost town. The rest of the village is .mostly elderly retired people living there and my wife works as a carer there she said it is mayhem at the moment . Most of the elderly are scared stiff of stepping out their doors.
If you want any shopping the only way is early doors before anyone is up, I do my mother and father in laws 7 o'clock in the morning otherwise you have no chance. Still don't have to wear masks in shops in Wales so no one does , it is madness.
Anyway , pubs are allowing folk indoors from Monday , things can only get better.
Come to covid island on holiday.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm genuinely scared at how bad this "second" wave is going to be.
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Think if you dig down on the latest data coming from hospitals (where the majority of people die), the average amounts of death is about 10-15 per day in NHS england and wales. So I rekon a lot of the deaths recording on the daily figure are backdated. ONS figure is about 55k for whole country. I would keep an eye on the weekly ONS data for any second wave.
 
I genuinely don’t get the anger towards people on a beach. Listen, I am not going myself as I find beaches annoying anyway. But surely they’re outside and distanced?
 
Wumminator said:
I genuinely don’t get the anger towards people on a beach. Listen, I am not going myself as I find beaches annoying anyway. But surely they’re outside and distanced?
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It's an assumption of my own making because I've not been to a beach but from seeing some of the photos it seems clear to me that some are so crowded on the sand and in the sea that safe distancing can't be guaranteed.
 
Volumiza said:
Crazy isn’t it? The signs are all there that the virus is about to rear it’s head again and people just can’t be careful.
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The stats in France show that it's coming back. Strangely enough it's mainly in the same places than before the lockdown, Paris and in general the northern part of the country with Marseille, Lyon and the Gard. Guyane and Mayenne are the only regions that weren't really touched before and they seem to be out of control.
 
JPRouve said:
The stats in France show that it's coming back. Strangely enough it's mainly in the same places than before the lockdown, Paris and in general the northern part of the country with Marseille, Lyon and the Gard. Guyane and Mayenne are the only regions that weren't really touched before and they seem to be out of control.
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Is this based upon new covid cases.
I had the impression that France had a more stringent lockdown than the UK. And that people in general were more accepting of the wearing of face masks.
 
I'm at least reasonably impressed the government are out with early warnings of the second wave. I expected they'd ignore it until the last second to be honest.

Whity and SAGE seem to be being braver in setting the message as well. We've reached our relaxation threshold and if we want to open up schools etc we need to give something else up.
 
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