SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Crazy figures today, will be only a matter of time before we are at 100,000 deaths.
Sadiq Khan saying London has 908 patients on ventilation, more than double what it was at Christmas! Hospitals are at 10k more patients than at the peak of wave 1!
We need to beef up this 'lockdown' or there's going to be major major issues.
We need to beef up this 'lockdown' or there's going to be major major issues.
Time to get the welding gear out?
On my way home today after my eye appointment (was discharged been 9months since my last appointment for laser eye surgery) live on a cul de sac and the connecting road is extremely short, perhaps 15 houses in total.
Normally 2 vehicles on the road due to drives. Always there.
Today 8 different vehicles, drives still packed with cars.
More traffic on the roads..
My schools in the first lockdown, closed two schools fully and moved all keyworker children to a third school, it helped reduce the amount of staff needed in and they had maybe 40-60 kids in total.
The smallest of those schools (1form entry) now has more than that on it's own. The other two have over 100 kids with double that in requests.
Teachers are definetly struggling, then you have that smug thundercnut Gavin Williamson coming out with the 'If you are not satisified with the remote learning provided, please report your teacher to Ofsted'
Utter utter cnut.
Normally 2 vehicles on the road due to drives. Always there.
Today 8 different vehicles, drives still packed with cars.
More traffic on the roads..
My schools in the first lockdown, closed two schools fully and moved all keyworker children to a third school, it helped reduce the amount of staff needed in and they had maybe 40-60 kids in total.
The smallest of those schools (1form entry) now has more than that on it's own. The other two have over 100 kids with double that in requests.
Teachers are definetly struggling, then you have that smug thundercnut Gavin Williamson coming out with the 'If you are not satisified with the remote learning provided, please report your teacher to Ofsted'
Utter utter cnut.
I think we're still a couple of weeks away from peak hospitalisations aren't we?
I posted on Wednesday saying that nearer the peak we'll see 1300-1400 deaths. I feel I've vastly underestimated it.
The second wave was always going to be worse, and we are still far from the peak.
As I said, with more and more younger people requiring hospitalization now - we will see more elderly patients unable to receive the life-saving treatment that they would have received during the first wave, and the early stages of the second wave. I said a couple of weeks back that the average age of admissions now has certainly shifted more towards the 40/50 age group.
Our intensive care now is full of 40-50 year old on ventilators. We have had no success stories of anyone above 65 who requires ITU support.
I am petrified for my parents now as they are hovering around that number. Despite my mam being very well in herself and not on any medications, some hospitals would decline her an ITU bed based on her age if she became very unwell. This is adding to the fact that we are seeing more 40 year olds, fit and completely well, (one was an Ironman athlete) requiring ITU.
Terrible times we live in. Government deserve a great deal of blame, but people who say the blame should solely be on them are morons. The advice has been there since the very start of COVID and it is clear as day that a lot of people aren't following them.
The second wave was always going to be worse, and we are still far from the peak.
As I said, with more and more younger people requiring hospitalization now - we will see more elderly patients unable to receive the life-saving treatment that they would have received during the first wave, and the early stages of the second wave. I said a couple of weeks back that the average age of admissions now has certainly shifted more towards the 40/50 age group.
Our intensive care now is full of 40-50 year old on ventilators. We have had no success stories of anyone above 65 who requires ITU support.
I am petrified for my parents now as they are hovering around that number. Despite my mam being very well in herself and not on any medications, some hospitals would decline her an ITU bed based on her age if she became very unwell. This is adding to the fact that we are seeing more 40 year olds, fit and completely well, (one was an Ironman athlete) requiring ITU.
Terrible times we live in. Government deserve a great deal of blame, but people who say the blame should solely be on them are morons. The advice has been there since the very start of COVID and it is clear as day that a lot of people aren't following them.
Unbelievable numbers today.
That knobhead Boris and his small group of dickheads (Rishi, Michael Gove, Hancock, Gavin Williamson) need to be publicly flogged for their handling of this.
That knobhead Boris and his small group of dickheads (Rishi, Michael Gove, Hancock, Gavin Williamson) need to be publicly flogged for their handling of this.
Hear hear.
At some point we need to address the elephant in the room.
Boris didn't give himself a majority.
What do you mean?
He never at any point (whether by design or lack of acting skills) hid what an incompetent, cowardly nasty piece of work he is yet he still won a majority at the last election.
Said before 2-3k, looking like we might reach that.
Regardless, it's the number swell that's going to be very large with the large amount of cases and admissions still to take effect. Last time was a short rise to the peak and down, this is like a tidal wave across the country with way more unwilling to lockdown. Should've had a hard lockdown soon as the new strain
was apparent and I think they left it too long from the autumn time, who knows this new strain may never had arose if we tried to tackle the rise properly after the summer.
We may not see tories in power for a long time if this keeps going.
Regardless, it's the number swell that's going to be very large with the large amount of cases and admissions still to take effect. Last time was a short rise to the peak and down, this is like a tidal wave across the country with way more unwilling to lockdown. Should've had a hard lockdown soon as the new strain
was apparent and I think they left it too long from the autumn time, who knows this new strain may never had arose if we tried to tackle the rise properly after the summer.
We may not see tories in power for a long time if this keeps going.
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I think so based on the time from spread around christmas day to symptoms to 10 day hyperinflammatory phase where a lot of the infections are.
The only hope is that we the equation isn't as linear or exponential as it is and the majority of the cases/spread are in younger population and we start to see the cases graph become less steep, but i have nothing to base that on.
Its looking bleak, vast majority of GP queries now are covid too. There's a whole lot of people in the community who are in their homes with low oxygen saturations I reckon so its the tip of a shitty iceberg.
Think this is one of the highest amounts in a single country worldwide for deaths per capita?
1300 would be like 6500+ in the US..
1300 would be like 6500+ in the US..
Careful, I dared say this last week and suddenly I was a Governmental cheerleader.
The schools shouldn’t have gone back straight away in Sept in my view and I agree, there should have been a much stricter lockdown before that shambles of a half arsed attempt in November. It was pathetic and very weak government.
Mich more effort and money should have been funnelled towards home schooling until we were sure we could cope with infections.
I understand. I have a lot of people from my Facebook post a lot of shit about Boris and Co., and they 100% deserve blame for their slowness to act on closing schools/initiating another lockdown etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that there have been restrictions in place for many months that should have reduced the transmission if followed correctly. The government are guilty of being stupid for believing that people will think sensibly through out.The only thing I’m clinging to is the possibility that most of the spread was in the run-up to Christmas. Large groups of people crammed into shops, pubs, restaurants, offices and schools. At Christmas (and in the days following) you will have had a lot of intra-household spread but not the same opportunity for super-spreaders to infect multiple households at a time.
The infections seeded in the week before Christmas are all decompensating now but hopefully that surge is starting to wind down. It’s two weeks to the day after Christmas Day today, so hopefully we’ll see the pressure on the health service ease off from next week on.
I know that doesn’t really fit with the timing of the cases but I think/hope we can’t really trust the dates of the cases reported during/straight after Christmas week for various different reasons.
He'll get a fcking knighthood from his pals up the palace.
Utter cnut of the highest order
@finneh this is the direct result of "treating people like adults" over the Christmas period, removing the restrictions but plainly communicating the risks. Is it possible, based on this evidence, that individual adults aren't able to make appropriate risk calculations in this scenario, and therefore expose the health system to more risk than could be justified? Is it right that individuals can choose to push medical staff to the brink - at a time when medical staff burnout was already a serious problem pre-pandemic - simply because they choose not to accept the risks that they're exposing themselves to? I can't imagine people think the amount of pressure medical staff are being put under is reasonable, especially given so many of the infections are entirely avoidable.
Just hoping its still a superspreader led event for the pandemic as before and that the more infective variant isn’t too different to that in terms of spread.
ONS says 60% of cases are new variant although massive regional variation, i think wales for example has a relative lower burden of new variant case percentage. On christmas day 44% of population formed festive bubble, hopefully intrahouseheld transmission was minimal then.
Damn, horrible number of cases and deaths these days for you guys in the UK I hope it gets better soon. Seems most of Europe has trouble after Christmas, but you guys also having this new extra infectious fecking strand of course does not help at all. I am so lucky as to live in a small town almost hidden from civilization in Norway but also here it is not safe now. I can not imagine how it must be to live in a large city right now. Be safe all, wish you the best.
I hope it gets better soon. Seems most of Europe has trouble after Christmas, but you guys also having this new extra infectious fecking strand of course does not help at all. I am so lucky as to live in a small town almost hidden from civilization in Norway but also here it is not safe now. I can not imagine how it must be to live in a large city right now. Be safe all, wish you the best.Ignoring the massive rise in new cases associated with the new variant, the fact is that the vast increase in deaths is not the result of that new variant, it is totally the result of people allowing it to infect others. And from what I see, this is not a strong enough lockdown. At very best, it might level off the rise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814
Utterly terrifying how something like this is normalised these days.
Utterly terrifying how something like this is normalised these days.
It doesn’t work that way anyway does it? It’s just more transmissible not more deadly.
The police don’t really do enough of it really. For obvious reasons of course.
Dispersing of gatherings and quite blatant flouting of the rules is one thing (especially if said rule break carries a high risk of an outbreak), cornering two women who are excersising in open air and not even allowing them to drink a cup of tea is North Korea esque.
Above everything else it's police wasting their time when they could be looking for incidents that would actually carry outbreak risks or other everyday crimes that go in.
The point I was making is that they need to be tougher in general so people don’t continue taking the piss.
I'm all for policing things during coving but this is madness, better off meeting outside then at home.
Derbyshire police have a pretty horrendous track record over the last year
I wouldn't say it was "terrifying". Plenty of stuff to be genuinely scared of in this thread, but what's going to happen with these heavy-handed police measures is they'll get a drubbing in the Mail and the Telegraph and inevitably apologise and dial it back down to the zero enforcement that the rest of the country seems to be doing.
Heard about this on the radio this afternoon.
What an absolute idiot - hope he is found and rots in jail
Are they the same force where the copper told the family they weren't allowed in their front garden?
Just had a video call with a friend my age in London who has deteriorated all week and may not survive tonight. He doesn't even have the breath to whisper.
Really sorry to hear that. Heard the exact same story from another guy I know earlier today here in Dublin.
I've had a few people I know pass from this but today is the first time I've actually witnessed how bad it is.