Yeah, probably.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Yeah, probably.
Wife was vaccinated this morning , been in bed a couple of hours now not feeling too clever. Is this normal?
Side effects can include fatigue, mild fevers and soreness.. from what I've read.. There are doctors here who can probably confirm it..
Thanks , I will keep an eye on her.
Not a doctor (or practising one), but yes. I had some pretty debilitating side effects for about 48 hours (shivering, high fever, aches) which all subsided soon after that, im right as rain now. If she's got it bad, it suggests she may have already been exposed to the virus at some point. Obviously, make sure you consult an actual physician if concerned, but from what I've ready and my own experiences, I wouldn't be too worried.
Thanks mate , she had it last year so possible , I will keep an eye on her.
Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...other-covid-spike-if-people-mix-after-vaccine
We've said it before. The next big increase is going to happen after idiots get the vaccine and think that immediately makes them immune, and also that it means they won't still be carriers. Expect large gatherings and morons walking around shops without masks on saying "I'm fine, I've had the vaccine hehehe".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...other-covid-spike-if-people-mix-after-vaccine
We've said it before. The next big increase is going to happen after idiots get the vaccine and think that immediately makes them immune, and also that it means they won't still be carriers. Expect large gatherings and morons walking around shops without masks on saying "I'm fine, I've had the vaccine hehehe".
My mum had it yesterday currently bed bound was throwing up earlier now just a fever.
seems quite common
It is normal. Ibuprofen is better than paracetamol for this I've found. Fever 24-48 hours with aching headache, tiredness, aching at injection site is not uncommon. But if the fever is significant e.g. 39.5 celsius or above or persistent despite regular ibuprofen/paracetamol then she should get a swab, isolate etc (ofcourse if she gets cough or loss or smell or taste too)
What's good though is however rotten she is feeling, as mentioned above the turnaround from that to being perfectly fine for most people is pretty dramatic and quick too, unlike a cough/cold type of thing. Hope she gets better soon and it hasn't put her off the second jab.
Yes perfectly common what what I've heard, although if its the 2 dose one more people are feeling rough after the 2nd.
In the leaflet my wife had today it says the same thing , that you will have protection 12 to 14 days after the second jab. All the carers that have had it have been told to act as if they haven`t had it as they may still be able to contract and transmit the virus to the elderly they are caring for.
2 weeks after the first jab or second jab? Wasnt the UK looking at delaying the 2nd jab because the first jab will do the job for now ?
I will probably be vaccinated by september, but will be wearing a mask when out for a good long while.
Wouldn't surprise me. My 91 year old Gran picked it up in hospital last April after a fall and was asymptomatic so they sent her to a care home for respite/recovery after a couple of weeks once she tested positive. She was back there later in the summer due to blood clots in the lungs and other ailments caused by it. To be fair, in that time everyone was still learning what the virus actually does to people.
It's not half though, is it? I think it makes a lot of sense but of course it's a balancing act and opinions will differ.
Nobody knows what it is, and that's why it's a huge risk doing it on such a large scale.
Are you just referring to the Pfizer vaccine here?
I don't believe any of them have data for a single jab 3 months out do they?
I will happily be corrected here, but that reads to me that AZ vaccine is shown to be effective AFTER a second dose is given at 12 weeks. It doesn't comment on what the protection level is like before the second dose is given, i.e at 11 weeks and 6 days.
In the leaflet she was given it says after the 2nd jab. It says 12 to 14 days after the 2nd jab in the guardian article that the Pigeon posted too. Doesn`t sound too good.
at least the daily cases are coming down, which will mean the death rate will also too. coupled with the vaccine rollout, today is hopefully the peak in terms of deaths. shocking number though.
Pretty much no one in Serbia wants to get a shot so I, 33 in May and with no chronic problems, am getting my first shot on Thursday.
Not great news coming out of Israel about delaying second dose of Pfizer vaccine.
Well that is not ideal for the UK, especially the Dr's and others who have been given the first then had the 2nd delaed
They’ll be fuming.
I appreciate your contribution in this thread but you seem to be constantly bearing bad news.
Key caveat in that article:
Could be a case of folks prematurely getting out and about, thinking they're protected so soon after receiving the jab.
I appreciate your contribution in this thread but you seem to be constantly bearing bad news.
Well there’s not a whole lot of good news out there!
Here’s some neutral news. ICNARC publish weekly summary of covid patients in ITU.
As of this week, the summary (page 76) indicates:
- A mean age of 60
- 65% male
- 30% non-white
- 10% with severe comorbidities
- 50% BMI >30
- 8% pregnant
Definitely. Already hearing a lot of anecdotal reports of hospital staff coming down with covid a week or two after vaccination. Which isn’t surprising as the Pfizer study seemed to show protection only kicking in on day 10. Need to wait at least 3 weeks (with or without second dose) to get a good level of protection.
New strain in SA likely to be more resistant to vaccines
I don't see that in it's constitution. From Wikipedia quoting their constitution "The WHO Constitution, which establishes the agency's governing structure and principles, states its main objective as "the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health." The WHO have had huge success and I think you are misunderstanding its role and how it operates. It isn't set as a world health police but is just a specialist unit of the UN but it is mainly a managerial bureaucracy and will need some redesign if it is to become the pandemic response unit. It has had many great successes and the world would be far poorer (and fewer in number) without it. If you said it is too bureaucratic, sensitive to politics and slow moving in general I'd agree, but to lay the pandemic at its feet is drawing a very long bow. There was more than enough information out there for governments (who should be making the actual decisions) to act in time, as did a few countries, but to lay the blame for the incompetence of many government at the feet of the WHO isn't fair or reasonable.
Taiwan not being part of the WHO is because it isn't part of the UN which is tied up with relations with China. The WHO can't decide who is part of the UN and in any case what that has to do with the WHO's pandemic response isn't clear. And I do blame trump for cutting funding to the WHO because it was a purely political act. If you want them to change keep funding and negotiate KPI's. Don't cut them off at the knees mid pandemic. Like everything Trump did that was idiotic and hopefully Biden will reveres it ASAP.
New strain in SA likely to be more resistant to vaccines
The tweet oversells the actual paper. The strongest statement they make is
They say their data may mean people who had one variant of covid may be more prone to reinfection with this new variant and that this means it is possible some/all vaccines may be less effective.
That is the mission they claim and it is quoted in numerous papers. I agree they have had huge success in stopping the spread of various diseases, but certainly not in this pandemic. I do not expect them to become a pandemic response unit, quite the contrary if they had done their job there wouldn't have been a pandemic at all. They recommended against issuing a travelling ban to China in January, missing the best shot to contain the virus within Wuhan, or at least within China. By that time, there was little information and governments had no choice but to foolishly follow their advice. After this point, all efforts are just damage limitation. Yes some countries are handling better than others; but to me, the one who causes the damage shoulders a much more responsibility than those who fail to limit the damage.
A new study on the virus, looking at different forms of airborne spread. A reminder that it doesn't take someone coughing or even shouting to spread it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pread-covid-as-much-as-coughing-says-research
They also offer a calculator for looking at mitigation strategies (like face masks, improved ventilation etc). To be used with caution in terms of the absolute numbers/percentages it produces, because it assumes the covid carrier is someone exhaling a high viral load (the superspreader scenario) but it's handy for comparisons.
https://airborne.cam/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pread-covid-as-much-as-coughing-says-research
They also offer a calculator for looking at mitigation strategies (like face masks, improved ventilation etc). To be used with caution in terms of the absolute numbers/percentages it produces, because it assumes the covid carrier is someone exhaling a high viral load (the superspreader scenario) but it's handy for comparisons.
https://airborne.cam/
How come?