Are you prepared to risk you and your childs life?
Thats what it comes down too.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Thats what it comes down too.
Maybe you have missed some of my posts.
I said its a civilization event we are witnessing.
Nothing will ever be the same again until we have a cure, some scientists believe we wont have a cure.
Thus our civilization as we know it is ending.
Humans will still be here but it will be a different society and world.
So it's ok to increase health risks?
If everyone thought that, then nobody would work, your power would go out, food would stop, heating would go off, drainage systems would fail.
That's going to cause as much death as the virus.
Add onto that the economic impact, and suicide rates.
If you want to live this dream, stop using your electricity right this minute.
It's very easy to lockdown a city of apartment blocks mate. A handful of armed cops can secure thousands of people without having to even move from their vehicles.
Think it'll be much different if we find a vaccine?
(Btw this is a genuine question, not me being a dick)
If a vaccine is found everything will go back to pretty much how it was, some jobs will be lost but the economy will eventually recover to atleast this level, might take 20 years but it will get there, the only thing which would stop it would be automation in jobs but that was happening anyway. Automation would have been ideal for this situation tbh, a lockdown would have been much much easier.
I also think it means countries will be much better prepared for another virus (or so I'd hope).
I still reckon my life will be, goto work, come home, goto work, come home, goto pub, play golf, goto pub, home, work.
It's OK to allow essential workers to do their thing and work in hospitals, food production & electricity production etc. If this didn't happen there would be many more deaths up to now than there has been so far.
There is a deadly virus out there, these are not normal times.
If schools were safe the government would put kids back 5 days per week.
Every employer, every school has a duty of care.
Just ask them if you have to return kids to school or return to work, can they guarantee your safery from catching Covid-19.
If they are unable to awnser Yes, then ask yourself, are you prepared to gamble with you and your childs life.
I would have thought viral load would increase symptoms. My remaining question is around how contagious the two groups are since they have equal viral loads. I suspect asymptomatic people actually cough a lot without considering they are contagious.
The Chinese did this in Wuhan, if we can believe their figures, it worked very successfully.
And in what way are his children safe if they can't be fed?
That guy strikes me as one of those who will be properly scarred mentally from this. Agoraphobic basically. Some people are still going to be in lockdown years after it ends unfortunately
Yes I agree, but then letting their higher risk children going to schools?
So you are happy to risk a childs life with this virus?
Are you happy to let them die of starvation?
So you think the virus is a hoax, or not deadly?
Maybe like Trump you think it will magically go away!
Viral load doesn't necessarily equate to symptoms. You can give the same cold virus to 2 people in the same household, both will have the same viral load but one might sneeze once and the other has 1 week in bed. I know this because I'm always the latter
Symptoms are about how your body is responding to the virus rather than it being the virus itself causing them.
What?
That was my point mate. We don't have cities comprised of apartment blocks. It's fecking EASY to lockdown an apartment block. Full lockdown isn't coming mate, deal with it and accept it. They can barely police a partial lockdown, if they were capable of implementing it they would have done so. I genuinely hope you're okay when this ends because you don't seem like you're going to handle a return to life very well judging by the nature of your posts.
Thing is key workers jobs are to keep everyone else safe, fed, with essential gas, water and electricity at this time. If every key worker said "I fear for my safety, I'm staying home" it would put just as many lives at risk if not more.
Imagine being a passenger on a plane (general public) and it's having electrical problems, then the key workers (pilot and co-pilot) decide to just save themselves and parachute out for their safety...
You're a basket case lad.
Yes, most people knew how to cook, but they didn't know how to cut hair. Now a lot more do know. Analogy fail.
If we plan and prepare there is no reason to let anyone die from starvation.
Just as in WW2 we can work with this, however opening things up for the sake of it is the wrong way to do it and will make things worse.
Eitherway, our world will never be the same again.
If you go to the shops you're rolling the dice with your child's life because you can't guarantee you won't bring the virus back with you. That doesn't change the fact that your children need to be fed though.
Similarly, going to work is also a roll of the dice as you can't guarantee you won't bring the virus back with you. That doesn't change the fact that you need money to support your family.
Nobody can guarantee anyone's safety from the virus. So you're living in a fantasy land if you think that's the appropriate standard to insist on before lockdown measures get eased.
Obviously, because if they didn't they wouldn't be at work.
So what are me and the Mrs supposed to do with the kids when we are both at work? Leave them at home by themselves? I'd have no house left.
The military and the Police could easily enforce lockdowns in major cities and towns.
No government have the stomach to impose the measures needed.
The guy you initial quoted has made it very clear that if he doesn't work he can't feed his kids.
Ultimately there's more chance of kids dying on the way to school than there is of the virus.
If they don't get fed, they're dead within weeks.
Fine, you go back to work then.
I can see a lot of people milking this and being "unfit to work" due to the mental scarring from the pandemic, obviously some will be affected, but a lot of wasters will try milking it too, just so they don't have to goto work.
Right, all the young vulnerable kids die, or you don't get your food. You choose.
You don't get it, the world is not going back to how it used to be.
We either build a new society with new ways if doing things or it will evetuallt collapse into anachy.
How do you know you had the same viral load?Viral load doesn't necessarily equate to symptoms. You can give the same cold virus to 2 people in the same household, both will have the same viral load but one might sneeze once and the other has 1 week in bed. I know this because I'm always the latter
Symptoms are about how your body is responding to the virus rather than it being the virus itself causing them.
It's why it scares me what will happen. If the government ever decided they wanted to implement martial law into this country it really won't be that hard to get a significant number on board. Right subtle words at the right time, the correct context on graphs all off a sudden people who swore they would never give up their liberty's are signing up as volunteers to enforce the new law.
When do you ever see a time this will happen ?
We need a cure, that isnt likely to happen.
So the alternative is?
. Everyone go back to work, vunerable kids and people die.
Thankfully, he's a long way from that happening. It's a good business which I believe will be fine once the restrictions are lifted but it's a horrible waiting game now for so many people out there.
I don't think there's a final strategy in place at the moment, they have mentioned the five key indicators which I think they will use if they need to extend the lockdown.
I am not really sure what to expect in three weeks time, I am guessing certain businesses may start operating again as we need a bit of normality in life.
I work in IT for the one of the supermarkets and there was a big push to get the business setup for home working, there's no way we did that for six weeks of home working. Social distancing policy will stay in place for a while so I think most of us who work in an office will continue to work from home for now and I can't see nothing wrong with this, anyone who works in a manufacturing will probably return to work as well assuming the workshop layout has changed and people can work two meters apart.
Those in the retail and social industry will suffer the most as I can't see shops, pubs, bars, restaurants opening for a while. Some will adapt their business and survive but we are going to see so many broken people at the end of this this.
The papers are wrong.
My local schools have already told Year 11 that they’re never coming back. The final year of infant school has been cancelled too.
This must surely be the case in many other towns/counties.
Schools may start taking children in, butI would expect that to be a surgical decision by region, down to town and village level. Restrictions on catchment area - no travelling more than X miles to get to school would be a huge consideration.
You’ve got to contain and manage. Some will be dealt a worse hand than their friends at school, but that’s how it needs to be.