That's good if true, although doesn't help self employed folk, which is another topic entirely...
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
That's good if true, although doesn't help self employed folk, which is another topic entirely...
Be interesting to see the crowds at the Strade Bianche this Saturday... It's south of Florence so not really a red area unless I'm mistaken, but still - I doubt many people would want to take risks at this point.
The only region that hasn't got any cases at all is Basilicata, right down at the bottom of the country.
That explains why no one wants to go on their Italian holidays.
He really is an absolute moron. He's trying to give it the Princess Diana "I'm not afraid to make contact with HIV victims" show of solidarity with a virus that is actually spread through human contact.
I wish he'd show solidarity with HS2 planners and make contact with a high speed train.
That is over 10 years away.
Amateur hour here in Norway...
An eye doctor came back from a vacation in Italy(with a stopover in the north) and demanded that they test him for the corona virus. For some reason the dude in charge just said "nah, you're good. You don't need to get tested". Fast forward one week: 280 doctors/nurses/surgeons are now quarantined
An eye doctor came back from a vacation in Italy(with a stopover in the north) and demanded that they test him for the corona virus. For some reason the dude in charge just said "nah, you're good. You don't need to get tested". Fast forward one week: 280 doctors/nurses/surgeons are now quarantined
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Amateur hour here in Norway...
An eye doctor came back from a vacation in the north of Italy and demanded that they test him for the corona virus. For some reason the dude in charge just said "nah, you're good. You don't need to get tested". Fast forward one week: 280 doctors/nurses and surgeons are now quarantined
feckin hell.
From the legal advice I've seen so far its only to enable people to claim SSP without a sick note.
Yeah it's a bit silly considering that most of Italy isn't actually affected, Italy's huge and the epicentre of the outbreak is in Lombardy but when you consider that the south has barely been affected it's still safe to go there. Unfortunately, any businesses that operating on thin margins could very well go out of business. It's actually becoming more difficult to see how there won't be a recession at this point.
Honestly, grandparents are the ones we should be most worried about. If anything we should be isolating the elderly and those at high risk rather than exposing them to little critters.
I've been wondering about that for weeks, apparently the chinese are recalling all notes and burning them.
Good point, and illustrates the folly of one thinking one knows best perfectly.
Thank feck for Apple Pay and the likes. The touchpad on bank terminals is pretty grim when you think about it.
You're getting your wish by the looks of it. I'm glad the virus has made someone happy at any rate.
... That was obviously a joke you dramatic quim.
People with asthma, heart disease and diabetes are at risk too, not just old people
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020
"To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.
These differences mean we can’t treat COVID-19 exactly the same way we treat flu."
Panic over.
"To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.
These differences mean we can’t treat COVID-19 exactly the same way we treat flu."
Panic over.
Eh?
Isn't that what haters always say? Racists, sexists, all of them, 'come on now, have a sense of humour'.
Amazing stuff. I'll upgrade you to over dramatic I think.
It spreads a lot less than I thought at least. Only people with symptoms can spread it. Which makes containment a lot easier.
ok, I gave you a chance.
That can't be right? We've heard its asymptomatic for weeks now.
If so, that's really good news.
Another 27 dead in Italy today, all over 70 and already ill according to reports. This virus looks to be incredibly efficient at finishing off the elderly and infirm.
It can be transmitted by people without symptoms but it's a lot harder.
It can be transmitted by people without symptoms but it's a lot harder.
Would explain why the huge outbreaks are really tight knit community’s the church in South Korea, small northern towns and densely populated city of 11 million m
Not quite sure anymore: transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick.
I mean its not unlikely that someone ill turned up at one of those places.
"COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.
With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.
Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days.
Some countries are looking for cases of COVID-19 using surveillance systems for influenza and other respiratory diseases.
Countries such as China, Ghana, Singapore and elsewhere have found very few cases of COVID-19 among such samples – or no cases at all."
From that WHO speech
Still haven’t cancelled my flights to Bologna next Friday as yet. Haven’t heard anything from the airlines either. @Dumbstar Yeah my girlfriend was tested for it in Sweden after travelling there from Bologna last week and falling ill on Monday. They kept her overnight and apparently they swab deep up your nose and in your throat. Thankfully it’s come back negative. They still don’t know what’s wrong with her mind. She’s due to be released tonight and is just grateful she hasn’t spread it to half of Sweden.
The benefit of it not spreading asymptomatic is only realised if people with symptoms self isolate. Given symptoms here are for most a mild cold then does it really matter either way? People won't isolate with a cold
I'd take these WHO reports with a grain of salt until it's backed by more sources. It conflicts in parts with other reliable info.
They are a very important organization and do a noteworthy job on the ground, and also on stuff like long-term health plans for the developing world, but it's essentially an organization run by politicians. I've seen that Director say some dubious things before, and he's a career politician. Which is not to imply they have ulterior goals, just that may be a bit behind the pace of information.
In case of conflicting reports I'll much quicker trust organizations like the CDC and it's equivalents in Asia, which are organizations more immediately driven by raw data and science than politics.
They are a very important organization and do a noteworthy job on the ground, and also on stuff like long-term health plans for the developing world, but it's essentially an organization run by politicians. I've seen that Director say some dubious things before, and he's a career politician. Which is not to imply they have ulterior goals, just that may be a bit behind the pace of information.
In case of conflicting reports I'll much quicker trust organizations like the CDC and it's equivalents in Asia, which are organizations more immediately driven by raw data and science than politics.
Well ive been feeling a little feverish today (came back from Italy on the 16th) so gave 111 a call and they basically said not to worry about it. Wouldve thought they would be happy to adopt a "better safe than sorry" sort of approach, but they seem very relaxed about the whole thing.
Sure. But how do you explain it isn't all over Shanghai and Beijing for example. China hasn't used the same measures there as in Hubei. It isn't the only speech I am basing my assumptions. I think most of the data is starting to support the view that it doesn't spread as easily as thought.
I think they might be avoiding testing due to limited resources. If you had said "I'm very feverish, I've got a bad cough and my body aches" they probably would've had you tested.
And anyone who's immuno-suppressed. More people than you think, really.
I didnt want to be tested, I wanted two weeks off work!