So i'm not sure where you are on this. Do you think they are fecked and the disease is still progressing within the other regions of the country, or do you think they have it under control nationwide?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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So i'm not sure where you are on this. Do you think they are fecked and the disease is still progressing within the other regions of the country, or do you think they have it under control nationwide?
So no one will notice any real difference then ?
According to John Hopkins university 94,000 people have been infected with covid 19 of those cases 51,021 have recovered
Pretty much !!So no one will notice any real difference then ?
The advice already says that only one family member should go shopping, but how much that's being followed, I don't know.
Seems to be taking off in Toronto now
The trouble with that kind of stuff is that it's old news. The issue with this virus is that it can spread rapidly, it does kill and once it starts killing it can overwhelm even a modern health service.
The raw maths of a threat with characteristics that makes it hard to treat and in particular one that's on an upwards growth curve on a global scale, is not the same as a relatively stable and predicable year on year threat like malaria or even traditional seasonal flu.
All we really know for sure about this threat is that it wasn't a threat last year and that it's potentially massively damaging. Inaction will almost certainly guarantee that it does the maximum damage possible.
Furthermore Of the confirmed cases 80% have mild to moderate, 6.1% critical (all over 50) and only 14% have a sever case
this is all studies done at John Hopkins university in case anyone wanna a reference
this is all studies done at John Hopkins university in case anyone wanna a reference
What if I'm above 50? Do I not matter?
Whatever people do to manipulate the numbers to make themselves feel good, it remains that the ICU rate is 2%. That itself to me is a huge number. Besides, the fact that the ICU rate is 10%+ is definitely more than worrying. There are entire countries that don't have anywhere even close to the health care infrastructure to fight this off. I shudder to think what would happen to those countries when this has overwhelmed first world countries.
Oh I am not saying there should be no inaction to stop it from spreading more but rather that the virus itself is not a life threatening virus.
If we can prevent it from spreading and take measures to do so then we 120% should as we don’t know enough about it yet. What we do know so far are the numbers given to us and they are none life threatening.
I don’t think anyone thinks no action should be taken to stop the spreading of it though
This outbreak has really separated the people who understand the concept exponential growth and those that don't. Whenever I see people looking at current numbers and odds I think, 'yeah, so what? it's going to grow exponentially without intervention'.
Gli adolescenti giocano a calcio nel campo sportivo della scuola, che si trova direttamente sopra la nostra casa - quindi non ci penso molto adesso.
I never said above 50 don’t matter but rather showing how threatening the virus is in comparison to all the other things mentioned in the post quoted who take more lives.
like I said we should prevent it from spreading the best we can. The virus it self is not a life threatening virus at all. There is a minimal chance you or I would die from it if we contracted it right now.
I never said no intervention was needed though. I agree and think we should 120% try to stop it from spreading.
I am saying the virus it self is not life threatening virus.
How, in the name of all that is holy, is a virus with a 1-4% mortality rate, and more significantly a 15% hospitalisation rate and 5% critical care rate, not life threatening? The health systems will collapse and many, many people will die from the virus itself, and not being able to get treatment for other diseases.
Is there any advice actually being given out by governments about bolstering people's immune systems? Everyone is shitting their pants about coming into contact with it but nothing appears to have been said about the importance of good habits (outside of hand washing).
They almost nailed it, again.
It kills 3.6% of people aged 60-69. 8% of people aged 70-79 and 14.8% of people aged 80+. How exactly is that 'not life threatening'?
Cancer has a higher death rate and the health systems have not fallen. The death rates are low. According to John Hopkins (this may be a week or 2 behind now so both numbers may have increased) of the 94,000 infected 50,000 recovered
If cancer was infectious, the health systems would collapse. The death rate DOES NOT MATTER.
Except for the ones who are already dead or dying of it you mean? Or the ones who aren't getting ICU care in Italy because the health service has been overwhelmed?
If you mean it's not yet the end of mankind as a whole, and is unlikely to kill (rather than temporarily incapacitate) more than a small minority of the working population - yes, agreed.
Does potentially 60%+ of the population all get cancer at once, and does cancer run its course over a period of just a few weeeks?
That’s not the whole population in the world. How about the numbers from people ahead 15-40.
You are using numbers of people 60+ who may have underlying health issues as well and there immune system is weak because of old age.
Loving all the "hot-takes" from the blissfully ignorant.
Looking at their data on the wiki page it does unfortunately look like their major regions are progressing normally AKA doubling roughly every 3.5 days. And it looks like other regions are progressing as well, just slower.
This isn't really something you can truly control barring what China did. And even what they're doing is potentially just a delaying action.
That being said: I do not think they are fecked. Also looking at the data, it looks like if they make it past this latest hump they might get a handle on it and provide the rest of the world a good model to run off of.
China doesn’t lock down millions of people and logjam their economy to keep them from catching a cold out of the goodness of their heart.
Go wash your legs. And maybe your hands too.
I see what your trying to say, hence why I said we SHOULD try to prevent the spread of it and take precaution.
I am saying the virus itself is not a big life threatening one
I'm not sure what is so hard to grasp about this. Most of us who are under 60 aren't worried that we're going to die, we're worried that our elderly relatives and potentially millions of other people's elderly relatives around the world could die from this unless its contained.
It is, though. It has a much higher mortality rate than influenza.
To stop the prevention... yes. Still the death rates are very low and high percentage of those in China recovered l.
If the worst happens, @SportingCP96 is going to be looking at the millions of dead and saying 'yes, but what about the tens of millions who didn't die? Wasn't that bad after all was it.'
And not just the elderly but the immunocompromised.
Yes I understand. But we can go by just that percentage of people when evaluating the virus as a whole and it’s potential global death rate. The numbers are very low in terms of total death per people infected. It’s a small percentage.
Your reason is exactly why I agree precautions should be taken to stop the spread of it.
It's also more infectious, as far as our current information goes.
Comparing cancer to a viral infection
No if god forbid that was to happen then I would say I was 100% wrong. If it ended up being more tragic virus then initially seems
I mean I'm not freaking out at all (and won't be because I ain't no bitch), but tenuous logic at best.
5% of cases need critical care what happens when the vast majority of critical care resources are already taken? That is the case in most countries around the world without Corona Virus.
You have to remember that most health care services are running at very high/Max/Above Capacity..
Currently in Italy doctors are having to make decisions on who to save due to their services been overwhelmed by this 'non life threatening virus'
You have to remember that most health care services are running at very high/Max/Above Capacity..
Currently in Italy doctors are having to make decisions on who to save due to their services been overwhelmed by this 'non life threatening virus'
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Really, how come? I'd imagine a sauna would be a rather inhospitable place for a virus to survive.