SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Oh, FFS:



I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
 
André Dominguez said:
a) surely. Unless the bus is half empty.
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Smores said:
If you're staying in your car and you're sharing a household with this girlfriend then i dont see how you're breaking any lockdown. There's no risk of contact.

People should be driving where possible right now.
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Skills said:
Go and get her. You've got to think of the intent behind these measures, and in that case going to get her is the best thing to do.
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Yep it's the common sense thing to do, but obviously at the moment everything is debatable :lol:


F-Red said:
A body shop that deals with NHS staff? Such a loose reason to stay open! Difficult scenario.
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Of course, but that's how the rich owners get and stay rich. Loopholes and not giving a shit about employees.
 
11101 said:
We're talking about different things here. Running marathons has been shown to damage the heart and coronary arteries. Any kind of heart problems are a significant risk factor for this virus.

Anti-inflammatory drugs are known to reduce the body's immune response to other respiratory diseases. There is no concrete proof they do this with Covid19 too but health authorities are recommending against using them out of caution.
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Thanks dude.. I edited my original. I saw the error of my ways.
 
SteveJ said:
I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
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I've just watched his speech in parliament, he came across genuinely trying to find the best way of giving support but with most tax returns 18 months old it's about getting the most accurate support. He rightly did say that there are some self employed people that are booming in this current climate, so it's not a blanket coverage he can simply roll out.

Little bit different when compared to last weeks policy around employers and furlough status, it's an easy black or white scenario. With self employment, there are so many grey areas.
 
Skills said:
Common sense was telling us to start social distancing weeks ago... but affluent and like minded folk were stilling ramming out the pubs for their usual sunday roast up until the govt had to shut them down.
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:lol:
 
F-Red said:
I've just watched his speech in parliament, he came across genuinely trying to find the best way of giving support but with most tax returns 18 months old it's about getting the most accurate support. He rightly did say that there are some self employed people that are booming in this current climate, so it's not a blanket coverage he can simply roll out.

Little bit different when compared to last weeks policy around employers and furlough status, it's an easy black or white scenario. With self employment, there are so many grey areas.
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Why was his anecdotal 'evidence' not: 'Some self-employed people are struggling'...which is far more likely to be the near-universal case? What a convenient piece of 'evidence'.
 
SteveJ said:
Why was his anecdotal 'evidence' not: 'Some self-employed people are struggling'...which is far more likely to be the near-universal case? What a convenient piece of 'evidence'.
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His point wasn't about saying support shouldn't be offered, he recognised the requirement for it. It's all about the mechanic of what support is offered, not every self employed account is straight forward, nor is there an up to date and accurate picture of their business - hence the complexity, grey areas, and time to get the right support. Compare it to PAYE, where they can make a very quick calculation on what support is needed.
 
Hasn't it been said for lockdowns to be reasonably effective you need 60% of participents to properly heed the advice?

If you cut down on the ridiculous mass gatherings and come up with some sort of resonable strategy for London due to that being a special case we shouldn't be too far off that figure and see what situation is in mid April.
 
FootballHQ said:
Hasn't it been said for lockdowns to be reasonably effective you need 60% of participents to properly heed the advice?

If you cut down on the ridiculous mass gatherings and come up with some sort of resonable strategy for London due to that being a special case we shouldn't be too far off that figure and see what situation is in mid April.
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Yeah lockdowns are only if people cooperate with them. If people don't then you have to keep increasing the restraints until you reach an enforced lockdown.
 
F-Red said:
His point wasn't about saying support shouldn't be offered, he recognised the requirement for it. It's all about the mechanic of what support is offered, not every self employed account is straight forward, nor is there an up to date and accurate picture of their business - hence the complexity, grey areas, and time to get the right support. Compare it to PAYE, where they can make a very quick calculation on what support is needed.
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Comparatively, yes, I see his point.

Please forgive my cynicism about his Party's methods of working, generally.
 
SteveJ said:
Comparatively, yes, I see his point.

Please forgive my cynicism about his Party's methods of working, generally.
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I get it, i have that cynicism too. I'd recommend trying to find a clip of him speaking, it does tell a different story to what those tweets are intimating.
 
africanspur said:
Japan have tested approximately 16,000 people. That's why they've come through unscathed.

I assume due to some misguided attempt to keep the Olympics this summer.
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Yes - my bad, in a different post I wrote that Japan has done half the tests of the state of South Australia - city is Adelaide, about one million people - which had done 17,800 tests by the 23rd of March, probably more now. My mistake.

Just see the disparity - 125 million people in Japan, about 25 million people in Australia and the figure above is from one city. This is all part of a wider problem in political life here.

The Japanese media and different Japanese people I've talked to keep telling me how right wing and extremist Trump and the US Govt is. There's very little scrutiny of their own political culture, still heavily connected to the far right that destroyed Japan's pre-World War 2 developing democracy and dragged the country down the dark tunnel of fascism.

Key members of the current J Government are the grandchildren of war criminals - and they have never distanced themselves from what was done by them, in fact the current leader of Japan, Abe, has publicly whinged about supposedly unfair criticism of his grandfather. This Government's first instinct is to be censorious and secretive. I'm not at all surprised by how small the test numbers are compared to the population.
 
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F-Red said:
His point wasn't about saying support shouldn't be offered, he recognised the requirement for it. It's all about the mechanic of what support is offered, not every self employed account is straight forward, nor is there an up to date and accurate picture of their business - hence the complexity, grey areas, and time to get the right support. Compare it to PAYE, where they can make a very quick calculation on what support is needed.
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I agree with your point overall that PAYE provided a quick and easy mechanism for the employed. However is that really a sufficient excuse for not having a plan even at this stage? They've had at least 6 week to work out a plan.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Im head of PE at a very large primary school and myself, and my Pe team who are all self employed, plus the 40-50 staff and 800 + children will be in as normal tomorrow and for the foreseeable future. I’ve just actually had a roast and few drinks in a local pubs alongside a lot of the parents. Luckily we live and work in a very likeminded area, not mass panic. People doing as they’re told and getting on with it whilst getting on with life too.
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golden_blunder said:
Then said people are already infected with dumb disease and the only cure is killing the brain.

Seriously you’d need to be dumb to interpret that it’s ok to go hang with friends.
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Who is interpreting that way? Nobody is saying it is OK. But people will ignore the advice unless there is a way to stop them.

Unless there is some curfew in place or something then it will happen unfortunately. Also again if you live in a block of flats then,chances are that a couple may decide to meet up... their argument being they live alone and seeing nobody else so only 'infect themselves at worst'

My whole point is that his speech yesterday being heralded as the greatest speech in the last however many years or is a new lockdown (Except the 2 people) is ridiculous. He said nothing of major note that wasn't already common sense and/or said on Friday. He just repeated himself. His next address with a curfew or whatever is a lockdown. Not this.
 
I note that secret millionaire Bum_Flu has forgotten his moral outrage over anti-Semitism now Jezbollah's been sidelined...
 
SteveJ said:
I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
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If there's one thing people should take away from this crisis, it's the importance of unions. If you're not organised then you're relying on the generosity of tories which is never a good situation to be in.
 
LARulz said:
Who is interpreting that way? Nobody is saying it is OK. But people will ignore the advice unless there is a way to stop them.

Unless there is some curfew in place or something then it will happen unfortunately. Also again if you live in a block of flats then,chances are that a couple may decide to meet up... their argument being they live alone and seeing nobody else so only 'infect themselves at worst'

My whole point is that his speech yesterday being heralded as the greatest speech in the last however many years or is a new lockdown (Except the 2 people) is ridiculous. He said nothing of major note that wasn't already common sense and/or said on Friday. He just repeated himself. His next address with a curfew or whatever is a lockdown. Not this.
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Yeah, It wasn't as if he was enforcing anything. And the threat of enforcing idiots with police is pointless, the people he's aiming his words at call the police pigs. He should have really taken real brutal measures and enforced a curfew because its the only way these sheep will listen and feel afraid at the genuine chance of catching the virus and killing someone.
 
SteveJ said:
Oh, FFS:



I'm not self-employed so this doesn't affect me but, after seeing numerous tweets from self-employed people who are losing their crucial income, I can't help but be angry at the 'socialist hero' Chancellor. 'Making more money than usual' indeed...
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If they wanted to work through it, they can give money to everyone and then deduct it at the next tax season.
 
Some good news in Spain, a drop in deaths to 385 and 4537 cases but this could be from Sunday/Monday slowdown.
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You can see a big drop in deaths around sunday/monday. 10th, 16th, 24th

golden_blunder said:
He’s also said that kids are immune
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I saw the tweet which says "essentially immune" Which means when looking at the stats there's so few, so therefore essentially immune. Doesn't mean every kid is immune, it's like almost or virtually. There's no need to witch hunt or leave out words. When a football game is 5-0 with 5 mins to go it's "essentially over" but isn't quite over, just a figure of speech.
 
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sglowrider said:

The current US trajectory is looking worse than Italy and Spain's.
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I have a sister in law and a niece positive in the USA. One is a doctor and the other is a RN in charge of a ward. Both have nothing to protect themselves.
 
Good Morning,

We and the City Municipalities are currently seeing an increase of toilet and sewer line clogs due to paper towels and other paper products being flushed down the toilets. Please refrain from doing this as there will only be more complications resulting in backups because of this.[

We realize there is a shortage of toilet paper and people are using other paper products instead. But please throw these other products into the trash can. The only item that can be flushed down the toilet is toilet paper. These other paper products are too thick and do not break down when traveling through the sewer lines.
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jfc

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Smores said:
I agree with your point overall that PAYE provided a quick and easy mechanism for the employed. However is that really a sufficient excuse for not having a plan even at this stage? They've had at least 6 week to work out a plan.
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Yes, it's not a simple process. If you want to be quick and offer a flat fee, then there is the risk of undercooking the numbers for some self employed workers. Self employment 18 months ago might have very different accounts to now.
 
Just seen outside my window a group of four middle aged women going for a stroll. It’s ok though because they seemed to be wearing Belstaff and Barbour Jackets so must be quite affluent.
 
F-Red said:
Yes, it's not a simple process. If you want to be quick and offer a flat fee, then there is the risk of undercooking the numbers for some self employed workers. Self employment 18 months ago might have very different accounts to now.
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At this point, its a health hazard.

Millions are still going to work because the alternative is £94 a week sick pay, and they will starve.

Just pay them all the average national wage, £500 a week. Some people will get it who don't need it, but the alternative is people not having any way of stopping work and continuing to spread the virus.

Give them all the money and they can sit at home like we all want them to.
 
One look at Twitter shows that a lot of Americans thinks this is just the common cold and are up in arms about "freedom of movement" yada yada. FFS!
 
redshaw said:
Some good news in Spain, a drop in deaths to 385 and 4537 cases but this could be from Sunday/Monday slowdown.
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You can see a big drop in deaths around sunday/monday. 10th, 16th, 24th
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Really interesting with the death rates on Sunday/Monday.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Just seen outside my window a group of four middle aged women going for a stroll. It’s ok though because they seemed to be wearing Belstaff and Barbour Jackets so must be quite affluent.
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But that's still within our half lockdown rules as long as they all live in the same place, no?

Edit - If you're UK based.
 
Following SARs and now this if the rest of the world does not isolate China until they change their ways once this crisis is over then shame on us.
 
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