SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Fener1907 said:
Thanks for the answer! Appreciate it. I could easily just be babbling and no such things existed until recently, but I witnessed some symptoms already that look very much like covid-19 e.g. it's the relentless cough that I couldn't help but notice.



Isn't "influenza-like illness" (slightly amended above, sure) a perfectly acceptable term if you're seeing flu-like symptoms but not unequivocal that it is the flu itself? I was reading a WHO paper and they seemed to use it when speaking about the flu season. Is it a term used, @Arruda?
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Flu-like symptoms and flu-like illness have two different meanings and in the context of your post the answer was the flu. Earlier this year and currently we are in flu season, a lot of people have and had the flu.
 
Shakesey said:
Can someone please explain to me how mankind doesn't deserve this. We're +7 billion for fecks sake.

Ridiculous.

Disease is bound to happen more frequently in the future.
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We don't deserve it. Some rich cnuts deserve plenty but most of us do not.
 
duffer said:
Average earnings over a period of time for that particular job in that particular area is the only realistic way they can do it, I would think.
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By earnings you mean what though?

Turnover? Net profit? Taxable income?

All 3 are vastly different
 
JPRouve said:
Flu-like symptoms and flu-like illness have two different meanings and in the context of your post the answer was the flu. Earlier this year and currently we are in flu season, a lot of people have and had the flu.
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No idea what it was, and if we can say "influenza-like illness" to describe something that looks like the flu but isn't officially declared as such, influenza-like illness it is.
 
arnie_ni said:
Id have no objection and no one would, but the maximum has to be the exact same imo.

What figure is it based on though, net profit? Cant be turnover!

Those that deal in cash etc and "hide" income to reduce tax will take a hit.
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I would assume it would be the same, as you say, it certainly should be.

Yes, I also assume based on net profit, only thing that makes sense really.

Yes, cash in hand workers will be hit, but they are, contrary to popular opinion, a small minority. I guess they'll get their comeuppance for not paying into the system, in the most harshest of ways
 
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.
 
Arruda said:
Thanks @Revan

Tests are being made by rtPCR, which looks for the virus' RNA. Hence no, if the infection has cleared you won't test positive.

I've heard of some IgG/IgM tests going around, but know little to nothing about them. This sort of test searches for antibodies and would, presumably, be able to tell if you have antibodies agains coronavirus. I expect these to become important in the future if they can tell the difference between who is already immune or not. It would be tremendous to know who had assymptomatic infection, and if research proves these people will be immune, imaginw the benefit. You'll have an increasingly large population that you know would be safe to go out and take the higher-risk jobs.
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Here’s an FT article about some epidemiological research which will use serological testing. Annoyingly, can’t find anything in the medical literature, so no idea whether to take this seriously or not. If rampant spread of extremely mild, or asymptomatic illness has been going on for ages that would be by far the best outcome. So I would be fecking delighted if they’re onto something here.
 
SAred said:
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.
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Wuhan's lock down lasted a lot longer than two weeks.

You've been told two weeks because anything more will create significant public panic.
 
arnie_ni said:
By earnings you mean what though?

Turnover? Net profit? Taxable income?

All 3 are vastly different
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Turnover is not really "earnings", is it? You can have a turnover of £10,000,000 but not earn a penny.

They'll be giving people 80% of their net profit I would imagine (a total guess on my part). It's going to be rough for a lot of self-employed people (not a guess at all sadly).
 
SAred said:
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.
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China’s ability to test, diagnose, isolate and accurately trace all contacts of every case is/was absolutely leagues ahead of any European country. It obviously helps that they’ve been preparing for this for years.
 
TMDaines said:
And any public health body would recognise the number of new cases is limited by the amount of testing being done and not by actual new cases. We all know there is an order of magnitude greater than that with COVID-19. The “drop” in cases is such a small number to be negligible too, it has such a small degree of confidence. Just looking at these headline figures in isolation does not tell you anything relevant.

If someone can present a fuller, more insightful case for good news. I’d love to read it. The Italians are publishing a fair bit of data.
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The absolute number is fairly irrelevant, but if you test 10% of all cases yesterday and then you also test 10% today and tomorrow, the trend you see is valid. The head of the Civil Protection Agency said as much today, they estimate there could be 10x the cases in Italy but it's the trends they are the most interested in.

It's also not a totally irrelevant number because these are the cases at highest risk of taking a hospital bed.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
China’s ability to test, diagnose, isolate and accurately trace all contacts of every case is/was absolutely leagues ahead of any European country. It obviously helps that they’ve been preparing for this for years.
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Do you reckon their ability to trace was the biggest factor in containing the outbreak?
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Do you reckon their ability to trace was the biggest factor in containing the outbreak?
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Undoubtedly it was their fear of authority.

I speak to Chinese people every day. Have done for years. They wouldn't dare leave their homes if the government forbid it. On the extremely rare cases when they did they always wore masks.

Liberty and our idea of freedom will screw us. Selfish west.
 
SAred said:
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.
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Wuhan is in lockdown since January 23th and it will reportedly be lifted on April 8.
 
duffer said:
Turnover is not really "earnings", is it? You can have a turnover of £10,000,000 but not earn a penny.

They'll be giving people 80% of their net profit I would imagine (a total guess on my part). It's going to be rough for a lot of self-employed people (not a guess at all sadly).
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Thats why im asking.

You also have to factor in depreciation reducing net profit
 
Skills said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

A bit of a slowdown in Belgium today. An anomaly or will it continue? When did Belgium start there lockdown @RobinLFC ?
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Second day in a row that the amount of hospitalizations has dropped as well. We're only testing healthcare workers and people with extreme symptoms though so the numbers are definitely skewed. Experts are saying it's certainly encouraging, but they expect the peak at the end of March/beginning of April so we're still bracing ourselves for what's coming. Good thing is that our ICU capacity isn't even close to fully occupied so healthcare system is conviced that they're ready for whatever comes.

A regular lockdown was initiated on March 14th and it got more strict on March 18th (last Wednesday), so tomorrow we'll be in a quite strict lockdown for about a week. Seems to me that most people, apart from the occasional dickheads, are actually following guidelines. Stores do whatever they can as well (limited amount of people are allowed inside at the same time, only electronic payments, plexi glass between costumers and personnel, ...).

I don't fear for Belgium in isolation, we'll be alright and we're equipped to handle this. However it's the aftermath which worries me - how are we going to alleviate the lockdown, how will the Dutch people living right across the border factor in, what about flights, pubs, summer festivals, ... It'll be a clusterfeck and I think we'll see the consequences of all this long after the pandemic has slowed down, unfortunately.
 
Fener1907 said:
No idea what it was, and if we can say "influenza-like illness" to describe something that looks like the flu but isn't officially declared as such, influenza-like illness it is.
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Lets put it this way. Currently and for several months now the flu has been doing the round and WHO can actually tell you which proportion of each subtypes. And there is also Covid19 which is a virus with flu-like symptoms. The point being that there was two illness with flu like symptom, one that is literally the flu and an other one that you could describe as a flu-like illness which is Covid19.

The way you put, one could assume that there was an other virus that isn't Covid19 or the seasonal flu doing the round.
 
arnie_ni said:
Thats why im asking.

You also have to factor in depreciation reducing net profit
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They'll have to make it as simple as they possibly can you would think. How much does someone in that role, in that area, typically take home after tax. you get 80% of that. Tough shit regarding everything else (is what I'd imagine will happen).

Some people will get screwed, some will take the piss and end up better off. There's no way they can do it that will please everyone.
 
SAred said:
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.
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Would be looking at 1-2 months, not weeks and Italy has seen many flout the lockdown particularly earlier on plus I'd say the Wuhan lockdown was more strict.
 
As per yesterday's figures, NI had carried out approx. 1,430 tests per million people.

As of today's figures, the ROI has carried out approx 3,725 tests per million people.

It is beyond stupid that one quarter of the island is operating at an entirely different pace to the other three quarters. With all the cross border co-operation that is built into the peace process, you'd think having a one island approach in a crisis like this would be a given.
 
JPRouve said:
Lets put it this way. Currently and for several months now the flu has been doing the round and WHO can actually tell you which proportion of each subtypes. And there is also Covid19 which is a virus with flu-like symptoms. The point being that there was two illness with flu like symptom, one that is literally the flu and an other one that you could describe as a flu-like illness which is Covid19.

The way you put, one could assume that there was an other virus that isn't Covid19 or the seasonal flu doing the round.
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That's an awkward interpretation. I think it was Covid-19.
 
11101 said:
About running in general? Probably not.

But i do know that extremely long distance running at any kind of meaningful intensity has proven to be bad for you in multiple ways. There is no possible way to deny that.
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No, I mean everything about running and all that’s linked to it. ie The subject matter we’re discussing.

You’ve just dramatically reduced your argument to a point that nobody is discussing. ‘Meaningful’?!?
 
duffer said:
I wonder if Laundrettes will stay open. Having clean clothes


Are you sick? Wear it.

Do you want people to give you a wide birth because they'll think you are sick? Wear it.

Do you want protection from getting it? Don't bother, you'd better off wearing a snorkel.
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Just curious why this is the case, don’t the medics wear the n95 masks? So if you have a few of those knocking about may aswell use it as it’s likely doing something
 
Do we expect American deaths to start spiking soon? Usually deaths follow infections by around like 5 days right? But then you have Germany with a low death count, and other countries like Spain and Italy with close to a 10% death rate
 
VintageWhatnots said:
That's good to hear, I know that wasn't clear a few days ago, a lot of people were very worried about the implications
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not wont affect your credit score. Buy it may affect your ability to lend for the next 3 years. When you have a 3 month gap on your credit report, it “may” highlight you as a risk.

there are still some implications.
 
Fener1907 said:
That's an awkward interpretation. I think it was Covid-19.
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I'm not following here, what I said is factual, it's not an interpretation, here you have the Influenza updates from the WTO. Influenza activity increased in the northern emisphere in January, remained elevated in February and a decrease is noted in the March 16th report.

So I will say it one more time, during the previous months we have been in a period of high activity when it comes to the flu and Covid19 was also around.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Just curious why this is the case, don’t the medics wear the n95 masks? So if you have a few of those knocking about may aswell use it as it’s likely doing something
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If you have a few n95 masks knocking about you should consider giving it to a hospital as they are short!

The little surgical masks are what I'm talking about.

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze.
 
Do we get a heads up if theres going to be a lockdown in Ireland? Like some time to buy food and such
 
There are two types of masks. Surgical masks are used in, you guessed it, surgeries, to prevent droplets/particles from the doctors being transmitted to the patient. Respirators are used to prevent the user (i.e. the person wearing the item) from inhaling particles/droplets (small objects in the air) or gasses when they breathe.

Respirators come in many different forms for different purposes, so we need to be very careful about telling people to "use respirator A because it helps" without knowing what exact respirator they have and what it was designed for. Some are designed to be single use only. Some are reusable but need a cartridge which needs to be replaced on a regular basis. Some respirators have better protection than others and each country has its own set of standards.

The reality is, the vast majority of the general public do not need respirators. If you actually think you need one, stop asking people on the forums about it, and actually check the manufacturers website about what it was designed for. Do not listen to anyone who says "yes wear this respirator" if they do not know what respirator you have because there is a possibility it won't do anything and there is also a possibility you will not wear the respirator correctly. If in doubt, assume the respirator does nothing and act according to that mindset.
 
90% of people who tested positive in the US don't have symptoms according to the surgeon general. Considering that the US has done more testing than any other country (except possibly China) this is pretty good news. The same goes for Singapore, 9 our of 10 imported cases were asymptotic.
 
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