SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Sandikan]

Yeah, it's such a simple thing to understand, I can't understand how people still don't get it. Baffling.

Some people are simply very hard of thinking.
But if this thread can help people with that, that's an added benefit.

 

[Full bodied red]

State of the Daily Mail. No underlying health issues. Well apart from being morbidly obese. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...erlying-health-problems-dies-coronavirus.html

Yeah.....I noticed that, too, but wasn't sure we're allowed to say that on here.....

 

[vodrake]

Young peoples health is not, given the evidence, at significant risk. There is no need to panic, simple rational thought is what is required here.

Young people are still ending up ventillated in ICU, a lot seriously Ill and with a potential risk of permanent lifelong damage. Its nonsense to say their health isn't at risk.

An even more pressing issue is that every hospital bed and ventilator taken up by a young person who thought they were invulnerable and didnt take this seriously with necessary precautions is one that someone who wont survive without it can't have.

Young people shouldnt panic, but they should be scared and show this virus a level of respect, if not for themselves at least then for everyone else their actions can affect

 

[Paxi]

Same. My mother has serious health issues, so is classed 'extremely vulnerable', but doesn't buy anything online and near her the supermarket queues are massive.
I'm sending her gloves and masks, but she won't wear the masks cos 'no-one in Hull is wearing them' and she'll look daft ffs.

My mum is 51 and in good health so she just went to her friends house for an hour because apparently they're both aren't showing symptoms so they're must be okay. I had a massive row over this with her. Next time she'll be getting reported to the cops. It's frustrating and disappointing as it's coming from my own mother. She's shown complete disregard for everything and everyone.

 

[sullydnl]

Young peoples health is not, given the evidence, at significant risk. There is no need to panic, simple rational thought is what is required here.

There is never any need to panic, it's always unhelpful.

In terms of young people not being at significant risk though, that's true only if by "significant risk" you mean death. Which isn't the standard most people operate by.

I'm 30 and I've never been sick enough to end up in hospital. If I ever got that sick, it would be a very bad, unusual and significant thing. As for being sick enough to end up in ICU, in normal circumstances that could easily never happen until I get whatever actually kills me. Ending up in ICU before that point (but especially at my current age) would normally be considered a nightmarish disaster, which could end up having horrible long term health consequences.

So when you look at the amount of young people who have and will end up in hospital & ICU as a result of COVID-19, it would be bizarre to say the health risk to young people isn't "significant".

 

[Paxi]

Yeah.....I noticed that, too, but wasn't sure we're allowed to say that on here.....

Well, you've just said it.

And why wouldn't you be allowed to say that she's morbidly obese on here?

Don't be daft.

 

[fergieisold]

Young people’s health IS at risk. That’s a fact. Whether this causes panic or not is up to the individual.

Baffles me how many young people can’t understand that simple death rates don’t tell the whole picture. The hospitalisation/ventilation rates are much higher and, believe me, ending up in hospital or ventilated because of COVID-19 is something you REALLY do not want to go through.

I'm 32. My age group have off top of my head 3.2 % chance of hospitalisation and 5% of them a risk of being tubed and I guess then it is 50% mortality.
. The 3.2 % is likely a lot lower due to unidentified cases. The risk is low, stop the hysterical doom mongering. Nobody wants to catch this virus, but the overwhelming majority that do will be absolutely fine. They'll actually barely notice it.

 

[Penna]

Yeah.....I noticed that, too, but wasn't sure we're allowed to say that on here.....

It's no criticism of the folk themselves, but it's something people have to acknowledge. Just like those with pre-existing health problems have a higher risk, if you're obese there is already extra pressure on your heart and lungs. If you catch the virus, you have a disadvantage.

 

[stevoc]

People won't put up with lockdowns for long. If the weather continues like this and with the longer evenings there will be a collective "Feck this" sooner rather than later.

Then that is when the Police will have to break out the batons and water cannons.

 

[SteveJ]

Then that is when the Police will have to break out the batons and water cannons.

Boris sold the water cannons and cut police numbers, so it'll just be him & Raab with the batons.

 

[izec]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...erman-finance-official-linked-to-virus-crisis

This is a bit strange. Did he know something about the virus most dont?

Don't think it has necessarily something to do with the virus and the disease. The financial impact and economic consequences on the other hand will be huge.

 

[redshaw]

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United Kingdom Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​	Germany Dates​	Germany Deaths​	USA Dates​	USA Deaths​
Mar 8th​	3​	Feb-23rd​	3​	Mar 5th​	3​	Mar 2nd​	3​	Mar 11th​	3​	Mar 1st​	2​
Mar 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	Mar 6th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	4​	Mar 12th​	5​	Mar 2nd​	6​
Mar 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	Mar 7th​	10​	Mar 4th​	4​	Mar 13th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	9​
Mar 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	Mar 8th​	17​	Mar 5th​	7​	Mar 14th​	8​	Mar 4th​	11​
Mar 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 6th​	9​	Mar 15th​	12​	Mar 5th​	11​
Mar 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	Mar 10th​	36​	Mar 7th​	16​	Mar 16th​	12​	Mar 6th​	14​
Mar 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	Mar 11th​	55​	Mar 8th​	19​	Mar 17th​	12​	Mar 7th​	19​
Mar 15th​	35​	Mar 1st​	41​	Mar 12th​	86​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 18th​	12​	Mar 8th​	21​
Mar 16th​	55​	Mar 2nd​	52​	Mar 13th​	133​	Mar 10th​	33​	Mar 19th​	20​	Mar 9th​	26​
Mar 17th​	71​	Mar 3rd​	79​	Mar 14th​	196​	Mar 11th​	48​	Mar 20th​	31​	Mar 10th​	31​
Mar 18th​	104​	Mar 4th​	107​	Mar 15th​	294​	Mar 12th​	61​	Mar 21st​	47​	Mar 11th​	37​
Mar 19th​	144​	Mar 5th​	148​	Mar 16th​	342​	Mar 13th​	79​	Mar-22nd​	55​	Mar 12th​	41​
Mar 20th​	177​	Mar 6th​	197​	Mar 17th​	533​	Mar 14th​	91​	Mar 23rd​	86​	Mar 13th​	49​
Mar 21st​	233​	Mar 7th​	233​	Mar 18th​	638​	Mar 15th​	127​	Mar 24th​	114​	Mar 14th​	55​
Mar 22nd​	281​	Mar 8th​	366​	Mar 19th​	833​	Mar 16th​	148​	Mar 25th​	149​	Mar 15th​	62​
Mar 23rd​	335​	Mar 9th​	463​	Mar 20th​	1,093​	Mar 17th​	175​	Mar 26th​	198​	Mar 16th​	76​
Mar 24th​	422​	Mar 10th​	631​	Mar 21st​	1,381​	Mar 18th​	244​	Mar 27th​	253​	Mar 17th​	97​
Mar 25th​	468​	Mar 11th​	827​	Mar 22nd​	1,813​	Mar 19th​	372​	Mar 28th​	325​	Mar 18th​	123​
Mar 26th​	578​	Mar 12th​	1,016​	Mar 23rd​	2,207​	Mar 20th​	450​	Mar 29th​	389​	Mar19th​	175​
Mar 27th​	759​	Mar 13th​	1,266​	Mar 24th​	2,696​	Mar 21st​	562​	Mar 30th​	​	Mar 20th​	230​
Mar 28th​	1,019​	Mar 14th​	1,441​	Mar 25th​	3,434​	Mar 22nd​	674​	​	​	Mar 21st​	298​
Mar 29th​	1,228​	Mar 15th​	1,809​	Mar 26th​	4,145​	Mar 23rd​	860​	​	​	Mar 22nd​	408​
​	​	Mar 16th​	2,158​	Mar 27th​	4,858​	Mar 24th​	1100​	​	​	Mar 23rd​	519​
​	​	Mar 17th​	2,503​	Mar 28th​	5,690​	Mar 25th​	1331​	​	​	Mar 24th​	681​
​	​	Mar 18th​	2,978​	Mar 29th​	6,528​	Mar 26th​	1,696​	​	​	Mar 25th​	906​
​	​	Mar 19th​	3,405​	​	​	Mar 27th​	1,995​	​	​	Mar 26th​	1,159​
​	​	Mar 20th​	4,032​	​	​	Mar 28th​	2,314​	​	​	Mar 27th​	1,591​
​	​	Mar 21st​	​	​	​	Mar 29th​	2,606​	​	​	Mar 28th​	2,038​

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[Drifter]

Every region of the UK as been put on Emergency footing. Not seen since the second world war.

 

[stevoc]

Boris sold the water cannons and cut police numbers, so it'll just be him & Raab with the batons.

The quarantine breakers of Kensington & Westminster won't know what hit them.

 

[Withnail]

I could be wrong but I assume the reasoning is that the more people who have had the virus and recovered; the less chance there is in bumping into someone contagious in a months time.

however that doesn’t work IF you can catch it more than once

Yeah ok I get that but I think the unknown results of lifting the lockdown at the moment outweigh the current benefits, which as others have said allows time to prepare the health services and tries to keep the numbers needed hospitalisation manageable.

Even with lockdown Ireland are near if not at capacity for ICU beds.

It would be nice if we were only able to ensure the young and healthy were infected but how do you manage that?

 

[Full bodied red]

Well, you've just said it.

And why wouldn't you be allowed to say that she's morbidly obese on here?

Don't be daft.

Because a couple of years ago I made a comment about one particularly obese woman who'd been on TV and got a five point yellow card.

 

[redshaw]

Grinner asked me to post the table in here. I will keep it updated for a while, we'll see how it goes.

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United Kingdom Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​	Germany Dates​	Germany Deaths​	USA Dates​	USA Deaths​
Mar 8th​	3​	Feb-23rd​	3​	Mar 5th​	3​	Mar 2nd​	3​	Mar 11th​	3​	Mar 1st​	2​
Mar 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	Mar 6th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	4​	Mar 12th​	5​	Mar 2nd​	6​
Mar 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	Mar 7th​	10​	Mar 4th​	4​	Mar 13th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	9​
Mar 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	Mar 8th​	17​	Mar 5th​	7​	Mar 14th​	8​	Mar 4th​	11​
Mar 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 6th​	9​	Mar 15th​	12​	Mar 5th​	11​
Mar 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	Mar 10th​	36​	Mar 7th​	16​	Mar 16th​	12​	Mar 6th​	14​
Mar 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	Mar 11th​	55​	Mar 8th​	19​	Mar 17th​	12​	Mar 7th​	19​
Mar 15th​	35​	Mar 1st​	41​	Mar 12th​	86​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 18th​	12​	Mar 8th​	21​
Mar 16th​	55​	Mar 2nd​	52​	Mar 13th​	133​	Mar 10th​	33​	Mar 19th​	20​	Mar 9th​	26​
Mar 17th​	71​	Mar 3rd​	79​	Mar 14th​	196​	Mar 11th​	48​	Mar 20th​	31​	Mar 10th​	31​
Mar 18th​	104​	Mar 4th​	107​	Mar 15th​	294​	Mar 12th​	61​	Mar 21st​	47​	Mar 11th​	37​
Mar 19th​	144​	Mar 5th​	148​	Mar 16th​	342​	Mar 13th​	79​	Mar-22nd​	55​	Mar 12th​	41​
Mar 20th​	177​	Mar 6th​	197​	Mar 17th​	533​	Mar 14th​	91​	Mar 23rd​	86​	Mar 13th​	49​
Mar 21st​	233​	Mar 7th​	233​	Mar 18th​	638​	Mar 15th​	127​	Mar 24th​	114​	Mar 14th​	55​
Mar 22nd​	281​	Mar 8th​	366​	Mar 19th​	833​	Mar 16th​	148​	Mar 25th​	149​	Mar 15th​	62​
Mar 23rd​	335​	Mar 9th​	463​	Mar 20th​	1,093​	Mar 17th​	175​	Mar 26th​	198​	Mar 16th​	76​
Mar 24th​	422​	Mar 10th​	631​	Mar 21st​	1,381​	Mar 18th​	244​	Mar 27th​	253​	Mar 17th​	97​
Mar 25th​	468​	Mar 11th​	827​	Mar 22nd​	1,813​	Mar 19th​	372​	Mar 28th​	325​	Mar 18th​	123​
Mar 26th​	578​	Mar 12th​	1,016​	Mar 23rd​	2,207​	Mar 20th​	450​	Mar 29th​	389​	Mar19th​	175​
Mar 27th​	759​	Mar 13th​	1,266​	Mar 24th​	2,696​	Mar 21st​	562​	Mar 30th​	455​	Mar 20th​	230​
Mar 28th​	1,019​	Mar 14th​	1,441​	Mar 25th​	3,434​	Mar 22nd​	674​	Mar 31st​	600​	Mar 21st​	298​
Mar 29th​	1,228​	Mar 15th​	1,809​	Mar 26th​	4,145​	Mar 23rd​	860​	Apr 1st​	732​	Mar 22nd​	408​
Mar 30th​	1,408​	Mar 16th​	2,158​	Mar 27th​	4,858​	Mar 24th​	1100​	Apr 2nd​	872​	Mar 23rd​	519​
Mar 31st​	1,789​	Mar 17th​	2,503​	Mar 28th​	5,690​	Mar 25th​	1331​	Apr 3rd​	1,017​	Mar 24th​	681​
Apr 1st​	2,352​	Mar 18th​	2,978​	Mar 29th​	6,528​	Mar 26th​	1,696​	Apr 4th​	1,158​	Mar 25th​	906​
Apr 2nd​	2,921​	Mar 19th​	3,405​	Mar 30th​	7,340​	Mar 27th​	1,995​	Apr 5th​	1,342​	Mar 26th​	1,159​
Apr 3rd​	3,605​	Mar 20th​	4,032​	Mar 31st​	8,189​	Mar 28th​	2,314​	Apr 6th​	1,434​	Mar 27th​	1,592​
Apr 4th​	4,313​	Mar 21st​	4,825​	Apr 1st​	9,053​	Mar 29th​	2,606​	Apr 7th​	1,607​	Mar 28th​	2,039​
Apr 5th​	4,934​	Mar 22nd​	5,475​	Apr 2nd​	10,003​	Mar 30th​	3,024​	Apr 8th​	1,861​	Mar 29th​	2,431​
Apr 6th​	5,373​	Mar 23rd​	6,077​	Apr 3rd​	10,935​	Mar 31st​	3,523​	Apr 9th​	2,107​	Mar 30th​	2,985​
Apr 7th​	6,159​	Mar 24th​	6,820​	Apr 4th​	11,744​	Apr 1st​	4,032​	Apr 10th​	2,373​	Mar 31st​	3,806​
Apr 8th​	7,097​	Mar 25th​	7,503​	Apr 5th​	12,418​	Apr 2nd​	4,503​	Apr 11th​	2,544​	Apr 1st​	4,746​
Apr 9th​	7,978​	Mar 26th​	8,215​	Apr 6th​	13,055​	Apr 3rd​	5,091​	Apr 12th​	2,673​	Apr 2nd​	5,821​
Apr 10th​	8,958​	Mar 27th​	9,134​	Apr 7th​	13,798​	Apr 4th​	5,532​	Apr 13th​	2,799​	Apr 3rd​	7,007​
Apr 11th​	9,875​	Mar 28th​	10,023​	Apr 8th​	14,555​	Apr 5th​	5,889​	Apr 14th​	2,969​	Apr 4th​	8,359​
Apr 12th​	10,612​	Mar 29th​	10,779​	Apr 9th​	15,238​	Apr 6th​	6,494​	Apr 15th​	3,254​	Apr 5th​	9,534​
Apr 13th​	11,329​	Mar 30th​	11,591​	Apr 10th​	15,843​	Apr 7th​	7,091​	Apr 16th​	3,569​	Apr 6th​	10,748​
Apr 14th​	12,107​	Mar 31st​	12,428​	Apr 11th​	16,353​	Apr 8th​	7,632​	Apr 17th​	3,868​	Apr 7th​	12,674​
Apr 15th​	12,868​	Apr 1st​	13,155​	Apr 12th​	16,972​	Apr 9th​	8,044​	Apr 18th​	4,110​	Apr 8th​	14,610​
Apr 16th​	13,729​	Apr 2nd​	13,915​	Apr 13th​	17,489​	Apr 10th​	8,598​	Apr 19th​	4,294​	Apr 9th​	16,466​
Apr 17th​	14,576​	Apr 3rd​	14,681​	Apr 14th​	18,056​	Apr 11th​	8,943​	Apr 20th​	4,404​	Apr 10th​	18,544​
Apr 18th​	15,464​	Apr 4th​	15,362​	Apr 15th​	18,579​	Apr 12th​	9,258​	Apr 21st​	4,598​	Apr 11th​	20,446​
Apr 19th​	16,060​	Apr 5th​	15,887​	Apr 16th​	19,130​	Apr 13th​	9,588​	Apr 22nd​	4,879​	Apr 12th​	21,939​
Apr 20th​	16,509​	Apr 6th​	16,523​	Apr 17th​	19,478​	Apr 14th​	10,129​	Apr 23rd​	5,094​	Apr 13th​	23,401​
Apr 21st​	17,337​	Apr 7th​	17,127​	Apr 18th​	20,043​	Apr 15th​	10,643​	Apr 24th​	5,321​	Apr 14th​	25,779​
Apr 22nd​	18,100​	Apr 8th​	17,669​	Apr 19th​	20,453​	Apr 16th​	11,060​	Apr 25th​	5,500​	Apr 15th​	28,217​
Apr 23rd​	18,738​	Apr 9th​	18,279​	Apr 20th​	20,852​	Apr 17th​	11,478​	Apr 26th​	5,640​	Apr 16th​	30,358​
Apr 24th​	19,506​	Apr 10th​	18,849​	Apr 21st​	21,282​	Apr 18th​	11,842​	Apr 27th​	5,750​	Apr 17th​	32,438​
Apr 25th​	20,319​	Apr 11th​	19,468​	Apr 22nd​	21,717​	Apr 19th​	12,069​	Apr 28th​	5,913​	Apr 18th​	34,181​
Apr 26th​	20,732​	Apr 12th​	19,899​	Apr 23rd​	22,157​	Apr 20th​	12,513​	Apr 29th​	6,115​	Apr 19th​	35,815​
Apr 27th​	21,092​	Apr 13th​	20,465​	Apr 24th​	22,524​	Apr 21st​	12,900​	Apr 30th​	6,288​	Apr 20th​	37,455​
Apr 28th​	21,678​	Apr 14th​	21,067​	Apr 25th​	22,902​	Apr 22nd​	13,236​	May 1st​	6,481​	Apr 21st​	40,079​
Apr 29th​	22,256​	Apr 15th​	21,645​	Apr 26th​	23,190​	Apr 23rd​	13,547​	May 2nd​	6,575​	Apr 22nd​	42,198​
Apr 30th​	22,761‬​	Apr 16th​	22,170​	Apr 27th​	23,521​	Apr 24th​	13,852​	May 3rd​	6,649​	Apr 23rd​	44,038​
May 1st​	23,129​	Apr 17th​	22,745​	Apr 28th​	23,822​	Apr 25th​	14,050​	May 4th​	6,692​	Apr 24th​	46,091​
May 2nd​	23,701​	Apr 18th​	23,227​	Apr 29th​	24,275​	Apr 26th​	14,202​	May 5th​	6,831​	Apr 25th​	47,916​
May 3rd​	24,097​	Apr 19th​	23,660​	Apr 30th​	24,543​	Apr 27th​	14,497​	May 6th​	6,996​	Apr 26th​	49,077​
May 4th​	24,332​	Apr 20th​	24,114​	May 1st​	24,824​	Apr 28th​	14,810​	May 7th​	7,119​	Apr 27th​	50,314​
May 5th​	24,735​	Apr 21st​	24,648​	May 2nd​	25,100​	Apr 29th​	15,053​	May 8th​	7,266​	Apr 28th​	52,518​
May 6th​	25,148​	Apr 22nd​	25,085​	May 3rd​	25,264​	Apr 30th​	15,224​	May 9th​	7,369​	Apr 29th​	55,054​
May 7th​	N/A​	Apr 23rd​	25,549​	May 4th​	25,428​	May 1st​	15,369​	​	​	Apr 30th​	57,137​
May 8th​	N/A​	Apr 24th​	25,969​	May 5th​	25,613​	May 2nd​	15,487​	​	​	May 1st​	58,931​
May 9th​	N/A​	Apr 25th​	26,384​	May 6th​	25,857​	May 3rd​	15,583​	​	​	May 2nd​	60,599​
​	​	Apr 26th​	26,644​	May 7th​	26,070​	May 4th​	15,826​	​	​	May 3rd​	61,716​
​	​	Apr 27th​	26,977​	May 8th​	26,299​	May 5th​	16,060​	​	​	May 4th​	62,593​
​	​	Apr 28th​	27,359​	May 9th​	26,478​	May 6th​	16,237​	​	​	May 5th​	65,028​
​	​	Apr 29th​	27,682​	​	​	May 7th​	16,386​	​	​	May 6th​	67,729​
​	​	Apr 30th​	27,967​	​	​	May 8th​	16,497​	​	​	May 7th​	69,700​
​	​	May 1st​	28,236​	​	​	May 9th​	16,573​	​	​	May 8th​	71,434​

Note France announced cumulative batches of deaths for care/nursing homes from the 2nd of April and these have been left out for the time being as other countries don't count them and have not been released. 9737 in total.

UK started announcing deaths for hospital, care home and community from the 29th of April. I've continued with just the hospital deaths.

No more updates past 9th of May




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[Withnail]

Every region of the UK as been put on Emergency footing. Not seen since the second world war.

Does anyone know what this means?

Does it give the govt the ability to wield extra powers they wouldn't normally have?

EDIT: Army in charge basically

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52081389

 

[Volumiza]

Boris sold the water cannons and cut police numbers, so it'll just be him & Raab with the batons.

 

[sullydnl]

I'm 32. My age group have off top of my head 3.2 % chance of hospitalisation and 5% of them a risk of being tubed and I guess then it is 50% mortality.
. The 3.2 % is likely a lot lower due to unidentified cases. The risk is low, stop the hysterical doom mongering. Nobody wants to catch this virus, but the overwhelming majority that do will be absolutely fine. They'll actually barely notice it.

In Ireland (where I live) as per figures released on the 26th of March, there had been 358 identified cases of Coronavirus among the 25-34 age group, 48 of whom were hospitalised. My quick maths puts that percentage at around 13%, not 3%. Which is a hell of a lot more significant. Especially when speaking about something so extremely easy to catch.

Edit: Just to make sure Ireland wasn't a random outlier, I just looked up some stats from Spain that had the percentage of confirmed 30-39 year olds who ended up in hospital at around 16%.

 

[Paxi]

Because a couple of years ago I made a comment about one particularly obese woman who'd been on TV and got a five point yellow card.

Okay but you must have said it in a context where you were being offensive? Calling someone morbidly obese isn't offensive-- it's proper terminology for people who have significant weight problems.

 

[JPRouve]

You know that times are strange when you see medicalized train taking people from the north to the south of France, alongside helicopters and airplanes. That's a bit grim.

 

[Paxi]

Former Turkey goalkeeper Rustu Recber has been taken to hospital after testing positive for coronavirus.

Recber, 46, is Turkey's most capped player. He signed for Barcelona in 2003, but spent the majority of his career playing for Fenerbahce.

His wife, Isil, said she and her two children had tested negative for the virus, but her husband was in a "critical period."

"While everything was normal, we are still in shock by the sudden and rapidly developing symptoms," she wrote on Instagram

Hope he pulls through ffs.

 

[Full bodied red]

Don't think it has necessarily something to do with the virus and the disease. The financial impact and economic consequences on the other hand will be huge.

My German in-laws reckon he knows something around the German death rates being massively understated - people dying through COVID-19 are having their cuase of death stated as being whatever was their existing / underlying health problem and which explains the almost unbelieveble low death rate there.

 

[Withnail]

The Sun was also running it.

They're also cnuts

 

[Ekkie Thump]

In Ireland (where I live) as per figures released on the 26th of March, there had been 358 identified cases of Coronavirus among the 25-34 age group, 48 of whom were hospitalised. My quick maths puts that percentage at around 13%, not 3%. Which is a hell of a lot more significant. Especially when speaking about something so extremely easy to catch.

Edit: Just to make sure Ireland wasn't a random outlier, I just looked up some stats from Spain that had the percentage of confirmed 30-39 year olds who ended up in hospital at around 16%.

14.3% in the US (age 20-49) as of March 23rd according to this: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age

 

[FootballHQ]

Is testing going up to 25k/day next week or will we have to wait until middle of April for that?

 

[Jippy]

Because a couple of years ago I made a comment about one particularly obese woman who'd been on TV and got a five point yellow card.

Okay but you must have said it in a context where you were being offensive? Calling someone morbidly obese isn't offensive-- it's proper terminology for people who have significant weight problems.

Yes, he made a particularly unpleasant and sexist comment about a Eurovision contestant.

 

[Jippy]

They're also cnuts

I can't bring myself to check the Express, just so I can tut at them.

 

[Nanook]

In Ireland (where I live) as per figures released on the 26th of March, there had been 358 identified cases of Coronavirus among the 25-34 age group, 48 of whom were hospitalised. My quick maths puts that percentage at around 13%, not 3%. Which is a hell of a lot more significant. Especially when speaking about something so extremely easy to catch.

Edit: Just to make sure Ireland wasn't a random outlier, I just looked up some stats from Spain that had the percentage of confirmed 30-39 year olds who ended up in hospital at around 16%.

That’s down to selection bias. People who have severe symptoms are much more likely to be tested. To know the true % of those who were hospitalised you’d need to know how many people actually have it not just those who tested positive.

 

[Kentonio]

That’s down to selection bias. People who have severe symptoms are much more likely to be tested. To know the true % of those who were hospitalised you’d need to know how many people actually have it not just those who were tested.

Presumably they’re mainly testing people who are coming in with symptoms though surely? I can’t see why that would or could give you an artificially inflated young person number.

 

[Hugh Jass]

That’s down to selection bias. People who have severe symptoms are much more likely to be tested. To know the true % of those who were hospitalised you’d need to know how many people actually have it not just those who tested positive.

They are putting the death rate according to the bbc at between 0.5% and 1%.

Some countries are much higher because they only test the people who have it bad.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm 32. My age group have off top of my head 3.2 % chance of hospitalisation and 5% of them a risk of being tubed and I guess then it is 50% mortality.
. The 3.2 % is likely a lot lower due to unidentified cases. The risk is low, stop the hysterical doom mongering. Nobody wants to catch this virus, but the overwhelming majority that do will be absolutely fine. They'll actually barely notice it.

Eh? What are you on about? Nothing I’ve said is remotely hysterical. I’m stating facts. I’m not sure where you got your stats, I think they’re a bit off but whatever, let’s assume they’re correct.

If you’re not frightened about catching a virus that gives you roughly 1 in 20 (using your stats) chance of ending up so fecked you need to be admitted to a (completely overwhelmed) hospital and hooked up to oxygen, to keep you alive, then that’s fine. Well done you.

My advice to anyone else of your age would be that it’s ok to be scared about that sort of risk. It’s normal. So don’t listen to idiots who try to tell you that your rational fear is “hysterical doom-mongering”.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I think every country would do well to randomly select a reasonable sample of its population and administer tests on them. That's pretty much the only way to getting reliable and consistent data to use in epidemiological models.

 

[Nanook]

Presumably they’re mainly testing people who are coming in with symptoms though surely? I can’t see why that would or could give you an artificially inflated young person number.

I don’t think young people with mild symptoms are going to the hospital to be tested in the UK. The advice is to stay at home and self isolate.

 

[Wumminator]

Heading to the local pub. Hopefully this virus has made things nice and quiet so I can have a relaxing pint

Well for now I’m approaching this as flu. Flu is about...do I stop my activity?

I'm 32. My age group have off top of my head 3.2 % chance of hospitalisation and 5% of them a risk of being tubed and I guess then it is 50% mortality.
. The 3.2 % is likely a lot lower due to unidentified cases. The risk is low, stop the hysterical doom mongering. Nobody wants to catch this virus, but the overwhelming majority that do will be absolutely fine. They'll actually barely notice it.

You will be remembered for your posting during this.

 

[Grinner]

My wife takes an ACE inhibitor called Lisinopril. Does this mean that she is automatically in a higher risk group? I've told her to contact her doctor ASAP to find out but thought I'd ask here too seeing as we have experts.

@Arruda

 

[Paxi]

Eh? What are you on about? Nothing I’ve said is remotely hysterical. I’m stating facts. I’m not sure where you got your stats, I think they’re a bit off but whatever, let’s assume they’re correct.

If you’re not frightened about catching a virus that gives you roughly 1 in 20 (using your stats) chance of ending up so fecked you need to be admitted to a (completely overwhelmed) hospital and hooked up to oxygen, to keep you alive, then that’s fine. Well done you.

My advice to anyone else of your age would be that it’s ok to be scared about that sort of risk. It’s normal. So don’t listen to idiots who try to tell you that your rational fear is “hysterical doom-mongering”.

I'm 30 and I'm terrified of this thing. No matter which way you swing it, my chances of being extremely sick have significantly increased because of this thing. The faster we develop a vaccine for this thing the better.

 

[Pexbo]

My wife takes an ACE inhibitor called Lisinopril. Does this mean that she is automatically in a higher risk group? I've told her to contact her doctor ASAP to find out but thought I'd ask here too seeing as we have experts.

@Arruda

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m810/rr-2

 

[Arruda]

My wife takes an ACE inhibitor called Lisinopril. Does this mean that she is automatically in a higher risk group? I've told her to contact her doctor ASAP to find out but thought I'd ask here too seeing as we have experts.

@Arruda

Read this:

https://www.escardio.org/Councils/C...cil-on-hypertension-on-ace-inhibitors-and-ang

To my knowledge, their position on this hasn't changed. I'll let you know if I find otherwise.