SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

But but how can you use names to call someone but get pissed when he calls someone, look lets all stop the name calling and walk hand in hand we have a world crisis on our hands. Pity the Dem's let the Chinese make all there protective gear not cool.
Might not be the best time for this.
 
I completely agree with you. I think (guess) Germany's high ICU bed count is a major reason why our death rate is still so low. Though I'm not sure we will ever know the true rate of infection, as even the best efforts in testing are deemed insufficient. I still have this faint hope that the virus is actually far more infectious/spread than we assume and a lot of people already got through it with mild/no symptoms.

According to the data from Iceland, half of the people infected show no symptoms. And logically, these people will on average be the ones that are healthier compared to fatties, smokers, diabetes etc unless one is one of those unlucky that are genetically at risk for this disease without any other pre-existing conditions. So there are many that show no symptoms, but there are also reports that people only showing mild symptoms does not qualify for a test in some areas, due to lack of test kits etc. An indicator for this would be to compare the number of tested to the number of confirmed cases. The closer they are, the more likely the stronger symptoms you will need to have to get tested.

I would say that even though Germany has more confirmed cases that UK, UK has far more real cases. The same comparison could be made between Germany and France.
 
Belgium: 4th day in a row with a decrease of hospitalizations, first day that there are less people on ICU than the day before (-4). Also fewer people needing oxygen than the day before (-11). Could be a delay of reporting because of the weekend, but especially the decrease in hospitalizations (and more and more people dismissed from the hospitals) is very encouraging and a returning trend since the middle of last week. Our ICU capacity is at approx. 50% so it's good to give the whole system a bit of a breather.

Deaths are still relatively high but these relate to hospitalizations of 10-14 days ago, when the lockdown was only just installed, so to be expected.

Some very careful optimism now. https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/04/06/liveblog-6-april/
 
But but how can you use names to call someone but get pissed when he calls someone, look lets all stop the name calling and walk hand in hand we have a world crisis on our hands. Pity the Dem's let the Chinese make all there protective gear not cool.

Wtf?
 
Saying you can’t complain about Trump calling people names if you also call Trump names is more than a little stupid.

Unless someone on here is a President/Prime Minister and isn’t telling us?
 
Of course. Private hospitals don't have all the specialist equipment. He'll probably be at Barts or St Thomas.



You can keep yourself up to date here. This is the only properly verified source for specific details of Italian cases.

The latest report does only include Type 2 diabetes in the pre-existing conditions list so you could be right.
Thanks
 
Strawman?

Who in here this morning has called Trump a name and then got pissed at Trump calling someone a name?

Oh, and Trump’s a fecking wanker of the highest order by the way.
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.
 
I don't see Boris going to hospital unless he has breathing problems. I reckon he's in real trouble here. They haven't revealed the hospital because they know that journos will be down there doing anything to find out what's going on.

I think the gov. need to level with us all and not cover this up.

We will know if he has to stay over-night 'for further tests.'
 
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.
Feck. Me. Sideways.
 
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.

Come on Donald, we know that you didn't wrote that yourself.:nono:
 
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.
Have you ever listened to Trump? He’s an idiot of the highest possible order.
 
Saying you can’t complain about Trump calling people names if you also call Trump names is more than a little stupid.

Unless someone on here is a President/Prime Minister and isn’t telling us?
Tinpot dictator actually but I try not to boast about it.
 
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.

Rassmussen is the most pro Trump polling company and they have his approval rating at an all time low and his disapproval rating at an all time high:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history


Hi approval rating was tied to his stream of rallies which have now had to stop and coincidentally his approval rating has dropped too:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/05/politics/trump-approval-poll-of-the-week/index.html


If Trump can't organise his cult gatherings between now and November it's going to hurt him massively and help Biden massively.
 
He who picks a random quote off the internet that in all probability was not known to said 'he' before he plucked it from the ether should be first in line to watch a programme called the news.
Not random. I looked for that one specifically. I watch the news, and in addition I read everything I come across of research on the topic. But while researchers don´t have the ability to tell with absolute certainty how it will look 12 months from now, you do. Because you have watched the news. Read the quote the again, I was made for you.
 
The irony got to love it. But his approval rating has increased on his handling of this outbreak love to know how the left side of things would of done better. He is not prefect that's for sure but was Obama of coarse not. Going of subject name calling is not cool don't give it if you can not handle it returned. And quite a few Americans from all walks of life don't think he is a wanker but hell its a free country you are entitled to your opinion.

His approval rating isnt a reflection of how good he works. It's a reflection of how many percentage of the us thinks like him.
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.

Why don't you take that conversation in Trump's thread?
 
Can we take this shit to the appropriate thread (Trump Presidency).
 
Spot on wrong place Ill move over, just pointing how the Irony of complaining about name calling when actually calling people names. Oh the Irony...
Who actually called Trump a name never even heard his name mentioned?
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.

Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
 
Really welcome Trump has never been called a name by anyone on Redcafe honest, its the truth I tell you the truth.
So you’re just giving out to people for the sake of it and it turns out nearly all disliked Trump doesn’t say much for him does it..
 
Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
Which Pandemic did Obama oversee oh was it SARS. He had the sense to kill Gaddafi and cause Libya to implode, not to mention Syria oh and gave North Korea access to a nuclear bomb. Lets not talk about Globalization shall we when the heartland of America bled.
 
Never said he was prefect but lets look at the figures on the ground shall we, lets start with umemployment, lets add to that pulling out troops from hotspots around the world that the lefties agenda started, lets talk about moving American manufacturing all over the world while depriving people in the heartland of good honest jobs. The list goes on. Hell but the lefty media thinks all Trump supporters feck their sisters :) The Irony on calling names is lost on some.
Jesus. Just stop digging that hole.
The fact you keep licking his arse and calling others lefties shows where your loyalties lie.
Hoarding the ventilators and PPE gear? MAGA
Outright dismissing Covid19? MAGA
Calling for everything to reopen for Easter because it’s the best time? MAGA
I could go on and on. The guy is a Wild West cough mixture salesman. He’s a narcissistic moron of the highest level.
 
Unsustainable governance. It is comparable to going on a 4 days camping trip, eating all your food the first day. Feeling great the next day. Then feeling hungry the two last days.

Obama at least had the sense to listen to experts regarding aspects he had little to no expertise. Trump does not only have little to no expertise in medicine and large scale pandemic logistics etc, he is even worse in that he claims to be an expert, spreading information that could cause more people to get infected, and makes it up as it goes.
And sticks his son-in-law in charge of the task group to tackle Covid. Yet another bluffer cut from the same cloth who even his college classmates said was a bit dim. It’s scandalous
 
Jesus. Just stop digging that hole.
The fact you keep licking his arse and calling others lefties shows where your loyalties lie.
Hoarding the ventilators and PPE gear? MAGA
Outright dismissing Covid19? MAGA
Calling for everything to reopen for Easter because it’s the best time? MAGA
I could go on and on. The guy is a Wild West cough mixture salesman. He’s a narcissistic moron of the highest level.
Have you not done your homework on Cuomo why was the mayor of New York so unprepared. No he never called for it to be open but hoped it would be positive thinking. CNN sensational headlines you believe.
 
Have you not done your homework on Cuomo why was the mayor of New York so unprepared. No he never called for it to be open but hoped it would be positive thinking. CNN sensational headlines you believe.
Jog on on pal. EVERYONE was unprepared but Trump is literally sitting on stockpiles of ventilators. It’s scandalous! Anyway this is the wrong thread so I’ll stop at this
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose in general or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.

That's a good question but not one that can be answered now (no resources). We barely having testing kits and PPE sadly let alone doing post condition analysis.
 
Could the amount of antibodies or the effectiveness of them vary depending how ill you were?

I can see those recovered from hospital or were close to phoning the ambulance and have been very rough for two weeks have a lot to fight it off with but those with next to none or mild symptoms I wonder if they could fight off a heavy dose or be safe on a covid19 ward. Seems the dosage is a key part and if gets down into the lungs.

Antibody concentration decreases over time from what I know. But the more often you get exposed to it, the higher concentration remains

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That's good to know @Skills, thanks.

Meanwhile


Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.
 

Think we'll have to do lots of blood tests, can't rely on China for much. Have read so much that has been sent to France, Spain etc has been mostly useless. We need to start making equipment even if it costs more and stock these supplies.

Seems like quite a basic error to make.

Which begs the question, why is Hancock making such a basic error, costing UK money but more importantly precious time that we don't have?