Oh that is interesting but also awful when you think about it hitting the African continent.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Oh that is interesting but also awful when you think about it hitting the African continent.
As long as we come out of this with only the right sort of people having died, our governments will be judged to have done a good job.
I’m using the word treatment loosely in this sense, while drawing a parallel between Boris and a normal person to make a point. What’s clear to me is that the NHS is stretched to the very limit and a major part of this is the deep and prolonged funding cuts. You also see poorer parts of society being disproportionately impacted by the crisis due to a variety of the same old factors. To be honest, I’m feeling pretty fecked off by the way this country is run and think our chickens have come home to roost. I hope we hold our government to account after this is all said and done instead of slinking off back into an apathetic state. There are actually people who thinking this government has handled the situation well
For me the one thing to look forward to is the safety of the NHS. There is no way in hell the public will let the NHS be dismantled now, especially when the full extent of the failure of the US system becomes evident.
We’re already using that here at Karolinska, sure multiple European countries are already doing the same.
In this scenario its probably just as infectious but less likely to lead to hospitalisations than we currently think, potentially with a higher % of asymptomatic carriers as well. You can model pretty much anything you want, the question is whether its likely or not.
First of all, I accept that the PM is a priority case when it comes to testing and treatment because the country clearly needs strong and decisive leadership. I was seeking to make a point about societal inequality, but making a comparison between Boris and a normal member of the population was probably a very stodgy way of doing that.
I was originally responding to a Tweet that showed African Americans in the US are disproportionately impacted by Covid-19, just as they are disproportionately present in their country’s prison system. There’s a recurring theme here...
In the UK, we have a situation where the nurses, delivery drivers and supermarket staff are being thrust into the epicentre of this virus, being told we are all in it together. In reality, those poor bastards are propping the country up while putting themselves in harm’s way, all while being paid shit money and having been forsaken for years thanks to austerity politics. I just hope they don’t get shafted again once this whole crisis is over.
Sorry for the rant.
Boris would 100% not have been tested initially under normal NHS rules.
He also probably wouldn't have been moved to ICU when he was if he was a normal person.
However, he does clearly need to be in hospital if he's needing Oxygen.
The above is all moot to an extent for me anyway as it makes sense that the leader of a country will receive more attention than a normal citizen. His death (or being out of action) will cause significantly more disruption than the death of a normal person, as cruel as that sounds.
And I say this as someone who despises him and his party.
Does anyone know the approach of other countries regarding protecting those identified as extremely vulnerable?
In the UK we have the 12-week measures with food parcels, priority delivery and a volunteer scheme to allow people to shield themselves. But obviously the big question mark is what the guidance will be longer-term whilst we await a vaccine.
In the UK we have the 12-week measures with food parcels, priority delivery and a volunteer scheme to allow people to shield themselves. But obviously the big question mark is what the guidance will be longer-term whilst we await a vaccine.
The british people just voted for more austerity politics so you can't blame the conservatives for doing what they were voted to do.
I'm not sure that relevance of this talk about what treatment the PM and others like Prince Charles should get compared to the average Joe.
It's obvious the country is protecting the office they hold and the monarchy. Any other country would do the rightly do the same. Ensuring that the country doesn't collapse at a vital time in its history is clearly important and to that extent the equality debate is nothing new.
It's obvious the country is protecting the office they hold and the monarchy. Any other country would do the rightly do the same. Ensuring that the country doesn't collapse at a vital time in its history is clearly important and to that extent the equality debate is nothing new.
I agree. There’s no way the public will accept anything akin to austerity measures after this is all said and done. For me though, you can’t just look at the NHS. Everything that impacts society and welfare, ranging from education to community support, mental health to homelessness, it all needs properly addressing.
Yep, I accept that he needed the preferential treatment owing to his role. It still sticks in the throat when normal people are not afforded the same care, in large part due to the cuts that have left the NHS decimated. Cuts imposed by Boris’s party.
I understand Boris getting preferential treatment but the monarchy are contributing nothing to this. Put another way, what’s your view on Prince Andrew and the treatment he would get if he contracted the virus?
The British people also voted for Brexit. It’s clear at this stage that we are a nation full of raving cretins.
Ridicoulous for the Home Secretary to be seen nowhere during this crisis.
I think he's been cut out of the working monarchy so shouldn't and I don't think would. They would definitely keep it quiet if he was tested.
I used the 2x per week infection as an example. It's close to that in reality but not exact, and those numbers don't take into account any attempt at control. It's just a rough example of exponential growth.
It takes 7 weeks for it to break 1,000 cases and with that would be a few dozen deaths, the kind of numbers that wouldn't stand out from a bad flu season. From there though it starts to go up thousands at a time and with the hospitalisation/death rate there is no chance it wouldn't be noticed.
Oh yeah, he’ll still get all the trimmings, the filthy cnut. Luckily, our press would find out about it soon enough.
Why are people upset and amazed at leader of a nation getting the best treatment available? It's normal. And while some of you dont like him, including me. Cant deny that his life at this time worth more than any average joe. I'm saying this as an average joe myself.
The cost of a head of a nation dying is bigger than an average joe
It's inevitable that there were small pockets of COVID-19 infection in the UK around late January that were not declared or traced, otherwise the containment phase would have worked for longer. Quarantining all people returning from infected areas for 14 days as soon as we knew about it would have also been effective but there would have been uproar. Tens of thousands of UK residents were still taking holidays and making business trips to the Far East, Italy and Spain when we knew they had a serious problem.
Thanks for your time explaining.
I’m still struggling to understand how it didn’t spread a lot faster a lot sooner. I sound like a broken record now but Stadiums full of people, hundreds of stadiums, thousands of people since December. Everyone touching the handrails climbing the stairs, wiping their brows etc. I just don’t understand how it didn’t just wipe through the population
I’ve already addressed this point multiple times above.
Apologies if posted already
I think a lot of people had "something" over the winter period, not sure if it was this though. We took the baby to the doctor's with a chest infection and was told it was fine, and then again two weeks later when he still had it but we got fobbed off again. Everyone in the house had it so we limited our socialising with others out of paranoia. My work was rife with it and everyone put it down to a dodgy flu.
This might be the problem though as you say because people will think whatever that bug was means they had it already.
Yup. Was thinking the same thing.
It doesn't spread as quickly as you might think in stadiums etc. If there are 75,000 people in Old Trafford but only 1 person has the virus, it won't spread to many. That one person might leave a trace of it on a handrail, but if the next person that touches it picks up most of it and then doesn't touch their face for the 20 minutes or so we think it can survive on skin for, there will be no transmission. It might infect a few people but its certainly not like all 75,000 people leave infected.
Some interesting research coming out of Germany about this.
https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.html
I also heard that the same study estimated 14% of the population in the town where that cluster started ended up immune.
That’s a very fair point, I understand that, I still struggle to get my head around it not spreading sooner though.
That one person going into old Trafford who may have it still needs to get there, possible public transport, they’ve touched handrails out side the stadium, bought food, been in a pub touched glasses, tables, money, All this stays on the surface days! thousands around him have also come into contact with these things, Everybody touches their face too much whether an itch or whatever. Eating takeaway food (Burger vans) without washing hands. It’s inevitable that it would spread insanely fast imo.
The only conclusion I seem to come to is it’s not very good at spreading through contact, i don’t know.
I’m just staying Home and out of the way because it’s not worth the risk. I just don’t understand it
The worrying thing is how much debt the country is going to be laden with after this, while the economy has also been decimated. We'll likely see austerity that surpasses anything seen since the post-war period. The shelf-stackers etc will soon be forgotten.
My nan has received her first care parcel from the government today. It's quite a generous box full. Apparently they'll get one weekly for the foreseeable future now. I'm pleasantly surprised.
For the cyclists and runners out there
Belgian-Dutch Study: Why in times of COVID-19 you can not walk/run/bike close to each other.
https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/b...alk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08
Belgian-Dutch Study: Why in times of COVID-19 you can not walk/run/bike close to each other.
https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/b...alk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08
Patient zero' fears he brought coronavirus to UK from ski resort in January
IT consultant Daren Bland, 50, took a four-day trip to the Tyrolean Alps ski resort in mid-January before being struck down with Covid-19-like symptoms on his return to Britain
I did say Charles specifically as he's next in line for the throne and likely to be our next King within the next few years.
It has to austerity or inflation. I would go for the latter.
Granted there is still a lot we don't know, but from what we have seen so far, you can be infectious without showing symptoms but its far harder to spread it that way. You have to cough or sneeze to put out any meaningful amount of the virus and that's unlikely to happen if you are not knowingly ill. Everything so far seems to point to requiring prolonged contact with infected people to spread.
It's why i think (only my own uninformed opinion) once the lockdowns start to be relaxed we will be able to go outdoors fairly quickly but there will still be months of restrictions on gatherings indoors or in confined spaces.
She'd have loved the woodbines but unfortunately not. From what I can see in the picture, potatoes, bread, tangerines, apples, milk, cornflakes, carrots, tea bags, tinned stuff. Similar to their usual shop, but with much less wine and vodka.
My wife said this to me at least a week ago, she reads the reports on breakdown. It’s something to look for, is there something in the genetic code? Or is it just coincidence?
It's not necessarily as easy as that though- look how long Japan has being trying to inject inflation into its economy.
There's no way we'd run a story like this in my country (South Africa). Here people might harass, blame and alienate this man.
Austerity more likely, i can't see inflation having an impact as both supply and demand of general commodities is being impacted.