Damning read. You look at this. You look at PPE, you look at the planning, you look at milkions spent on tests that don't work, you look at Brexit.
You can see a theme.
We are being governed by utter morons.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Damning read. You look at this. You look at PPE, you look at the planning, you look at milkions spent on tests that don't work, you look at Brexit.
You can see a theme.
We are being governed by utter morons.
You won't
It's amazing just how poor journalism is, this whole pandemic is showing the journalists to be pretty much amateurs. They're just taking any interview they do as truth, not getting sources verified, or quotes, and they're always bending their articles to their own thoughts.
You guys here are more trustworthy than they are, well apart from the religious nutjob.
You guys here are more trustworthy than they are, well apart from the religious nutjob.
Only have anecdotal information about West Africa, but my family & friends have said that in Ghana & Nigeria - people who flew into the international airports were being screened for high temperature/fever as early as February.
For Ghana specifically, the government placed international travellers into enforced quarantine for 14 days at various hotels, and tested them at some point in the last 2 weeks of March (my mum landed March 14 and didn't have to quarantine). If I remember correctly, as of end of March, there were about 150 cases, approx 2/3 of them were from those in the hotels, and the remaining third came from the general Ghanaian public.
The country then went in lockdown at the start of April, stopped all flights & closed the borders with about 200 reported cases - as of now there are about 900 cases that have been reported and so far about 10 deaths so they're definitely on the uphill part of their peak, but i'm hoping the death rate continues to remain low.
Whether those numbers are 100% accurate is a separate discussion, I don't think any country is reporting accurate numbers right now - but certainly the Ghanaian Government has been very proactive, and because of their early action while the numbers were low - they've certainly saved a lot of lives.
I have a theory on why I think the death rate is so low, but this isn't the thread for that and don't think it's appropriate right now anyway.
All sounds very positive, great to hear.
Still feels a bit like the elephant in the room here. Not least because it’s an incredibly confronting issue.
How do you verify something where some scientists disagree with other scientists?
As long as the journalist doesn't state one opinion as fact over another. This world would be unrecognisable without journalism.
I remember when the swine flu was breaking out, there were some wild claims in the media.
Third of the world would be infected.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/12/swine-flu-report-pandemic-predicted
65,000 could die
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-pandemic-warning-helpline
392 died in the UK
My criticism would be of overall planning in the past years. Particularly the pandemic preparedness exercise that highlighted key issues, these should have been dealt with. I think now we are in the grips of the pandemic we've done OK, we've not behaved significantly different to other countries in our measures, but we can always sit and point out what we might have done in hindsight.
Yeh, it's weird. Basically an article wanting to suggest Boris has basically been on holiday and not bothered with COVID-19. The good bits are things surrounding planning for a pandemic which should have been better - this is the key to our our problems now. Not lockdown a week later, not Boris absent from COBRA meeting. The UK is doing OK I think, Like I said above we aren't behaving in some insane relaxed way...we're in lockdown and people are picking fault with whether it should have been a week or two earlier. Some countries aren't even in lockdown!
Article is fecking nuts, if even half of it's true Borris and his cabinet will have to walk.
Peston can feck off. He's a shill and a hack and he loves making himself part of the story.
My brother-in-law owns a couple of barber shops and lockdown has crippled him. He is paying 6 staff out of his own pocket currently and his landlord is being a nightmare. Lease is due to soon with a fairly big payment due on renewal and when he asked for some co-operation the landlord said that tenants that are difficult during this period won’t get their leases renewed. My sister found various websites on how to commit suicide including videos on his laptop after he was acting funny. I can imagine this is far from an isolated case as it stands and it’s put huge strain on the family. I’m probably going to need to give them a big chunk of my house deposit just to get through this period as I’m quite fortunate with my position/employer at the minute and not at risk. Hope this virus fecks off soon.
Bless you
My friend who is a nurse is on day 13 of self-isolation after getting symptoms. They literally never managed to test her and now there's no real point.
She could potentially be, and wants to be, working in a Dublin hospital. Madness
Should add that she was told she 'slipped through the system', so hopefully it isn't the norm.
She could potentially be, and wants to be, working in a Dublin hospital. Madness
Should add that she was told she 'slipped through the system', so hopefully it isn't the norm.
Aye, I got that feeling after seeing his Twitter and promoting his new videos or some shite.
Cant he furlough his staff?
Not a good place for him to be in, but good that you can help them out for the time being.
This is the grim reality of the economic side and should be read by everyone who thinks health and the economy are separate issues to be dealt with individually
Preparing to throw Boris under the bus
Lord Baelish wouldn't do that.
Now I'm imaging how the GoT guys and gals would handle all this !
1984 vibes from that image.
Is this not the guy that wss interviewing a scientist a few weeks ago and the scientist more or less called him a liar
Furlough money hasnt came through yet.
He should have received 10k grant for each store if he pays rates though, unless that was just in northern ireland?
Yes. He's an attention seeker who for the most part can and should be ignored.
Honestly man, can you PM me it? I love hearing about and reading things like this. I'm being serious, I'd love to read your views on it.
I am not so sure. I am surprised that no one seems to have made a link between the fact that mid February saw half term throughout England with the world and his wife going abroad either skiing or seeking the sun. I wonder how many came back infected without knowing it? Now had you have said we should have locked down at the beginning of Feb I would have agreed with your supposition. Just a thought on my part.
A lot of papers running with the story that UK schools will reopen in three weeks.
He has but is still waiting for money to come in from the scheme and he felt he couldn’t leave his staff with nothing or he probably wouldn’t have staff to return to work when he does re-open, if he even can.
It’s woken me up a bit to be honest. I’ve been working from home for about 6 weeks now with my girlfriend on maternity in our own bubble and it’s really hit home. I feel a bit helpless now as I can’t even go round to see him. My sister is a nurse so the stress and anxiety of that is compounding the issues. You’re right though, I’d previously paid little attention to the economy until it affected those close to me.
Is anyone else a little concerned by how things such as an NHS app is being developed tracking our movements to see our contacts , which although useful right now, could become permanent after?
We’re all very compliant & obedient which again is brilliant right now.
Just a bit uneasy about it all,
We’re all very compliant & obedient which again is brilliant right now.
Just a bit uneasy about it all,
How about you stop talking down to people about putting on their grown up pants?
you disagree with many here but try to treat people with respect. No-one has been through this before, many think they have an answer but no one knows for sure. everything is a gamble. So, let’s show some respect eh?
Nah, this lot are untouchable and Boris has strengthened his popularity amongst the masses having bravely fought off the virus
Has anyone actually read this article? Or just the tweets?
Absolutely.
You think about Old Trafford. The burger bars and cafes are going their biggest source of income. People earning a bit of cash in the stadium working on the concourse or as stewards are losing income so are going to spend less in the rest of the economy and so on.
A lot people seem to be under the impression that you can put the economy on ice and then re-start it. You can't.
Couldn't you just delete the app ?
it’s not impossible, the Chinese did it. Why do British people assume that a hard lockdown isn’t on the cards IF absolutely necessary?
Yes. He is a journalist we shouldn't particularly rate.
However given the criticism that has been levelled at the UK's media for failing to scrutinise their government's response, I think the fact that the details of the ST's and Guardian's very critical reports have be corroborated by Peston (a high profile journalist who has long been accused of being overly government-friendly) is itself noteworthy.