SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Speaking of which, is there any way to effectively weigh one's head or does it have to be removed from the body?
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Perhaps if you stick your head in a bucket full to the brim with water, and then do something (weight I I guess?) with the water that flows over the edge of the bucket?

Edit: Although that won't work as water doesn't weight as much as your head I reckon. It's a start though
 
BD said:
Perhaps if you stick your head in a bucket full to the brim with water, and then do something (weight I I guess?) with the water that flows over the edge of the bucket?

Edit: Although that won't work as water doesn't weight as much as your head I reckon. It's a start though
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:lol: No, it won't work. A bucket of feathers isn't equal to a bucket of earth. Equal volume does not mean equal weight.
 
Something that really took me aback this morning was on BBC news at 9, Victoria Derbyshire and Norman Smith casually musing over Boris Johnson’s “near death experience“ and whether it would result in a “change in him” and ”softening of his views“ and “his designs for the NHS”.

It was a pretty innocuous discussion on the surface but what really struck me after I’d digested it was the fact that two seasoned journalists were basically saying the quiet bit out loud and rather than talking about Johnson in the way he likes to project himself, they were talking about Johnson in the terms that most people know deep down that he is but is rarely discussed on TV, least of all by impartial journalists.

I think the reason it resonated so much is because you know that Derbyshire and Smith will have a good insight into the real Johnson so to hear them talk about him like that carried a bit of weight. They could just as easily have been musing over Trump, Kim Jong Un or Putin.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Speaking of which, is there any way to effectively weigh one's head or does it have to be removed from the body?
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BD said:
Perhaps if you stick your head in a bucket full to the brim with water, and then do something (weight I I guess?) with the water that flows over the edge of the bucket?

Edit: Although that won't work as water doesn't weight as much as your head I reckon. It's a start though
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DEXA scan will tell you how much your head weighs (well how much mass you have above your chin)
 
Penna said:
:lol: No, it won't work. A bucket of feathers isn't equal to a bucket of earth. Equal volume does not mean equal weight.
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Hmm.

What if you checked how much water your whole body (including head) displaces, and then how much your head displaces. Then if say your head displaced 1/5 of the volume of water that your whole body displaced, then you can say that your head weights 1/5 of your body? If we assume that your head is similar in density to the rest of your body, which probably isn't true either.
 
BD said:
Hmm.

What if you checked how much water your whole body (including head) displaces, and then how much your head displaces. Then if say your head displaced 1/5 of the volume of water that your whole body displaced, then you can say that your head weights 1/5 of your body? If we assume that your head is similar in density to the rest of your body, which probably isn't true either.
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What the feck are you smoking ?!
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Speaking of which, is there any way to effectively weigh one's head or does it have to be removed from the body?
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You could work out the volume of your head by immersing yourself in water, first to your chin, then completely. Then you could have a guess at the density of your head based on data from corpses. Tricky one though. Why do you ask? Worried your head has put on a few pounds?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You could work out the volume of your head by immersing yourself in water, first to your chin, then completely. Then you could have a guess at the density of your head based on data from corpses. Tricky one though. Why do you ask? Worried your head has put on a few pounds?
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Oh, no. I know my head is massive, it seems to have its own gravitational pull seeing as birds have flown into it on two separate occasions. Just something I've been curious about for years.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Oh, no. I know my head is massive, it seems to have its own gravitational pull seeing as birds have flown into it on two separate occasions. Just something I've been curious about for years.
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I reckon you could also work it out by lying on a see-saw, straddling the mid-point, trying to reach an equilibrium. Work out the point at which your body has an equal weight either side of the fulcrum then... do a load of maths...
 
Grinner said:
I don't understand any of that stuff about this kid's disease but it sounds very scary. Perhaps one of our resident medical professionals can explain it for us @Pogue Mahone @Arruda @Anustart89
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Paeds ITU is very specialised and miles over my head. So take this with a pinch of salt.

It looks as though they’ve see some cases of very sick kids admitted to ITU with vasculitic (inflamed blood vessels) disease. Some (but not all) test covid positive for current disease. Some (but not all) have antibody levels which imply past exposure. So they’re worried this might be covid related.

There’s examples of people getting vasculitic rashes (a bit like chilblains) after recovering from covid in other countries. If it can cause a vasculitic rash, then it might cause damage to other organs in the same way.

https://www.ejpd.com/images/nuova-vasculite-covid-ENG.pdf

Some big caveats here:

-Numbers seem to be small.
-We don’t know if they have pre-existing illnesses
-The fact that some kids get very sick from covid is not news.
-There are vasculitic auto-immune diseases that make small numbers of kids very sick every year.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Paeds ITU is very specialised and miles over my head. So take this with a pinch of salt.

It looks as though they’ve see some cases of very sick kids admitted to ITU with vasculitic (inflamed blood vessels) disease. Some (but not all) test covid positive for current disease. Some (but not all) have antibody levels which imply past exposure. So they’re worried this might be covid related.

There’s examples of people getting vasculitic rashes (a bit like chilblains) after recovering from covid in other countries. If it can cause a vasculitic rash, then it might cause damage to other organs in the same way.

https://www.ejpd.com/images/nuova-vasculite-covid-ENG.pdf

Some big caveats here:

-Numbers seem to be small.
-We don’t know if they have pre-existing illnesses
-The fact that some kids get very sick from covid is not news.
-There are vasculitic auto-immune diseases that make small numbers of kids very sick every year.
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Any distance in a suggestion that because all Hospitals have clear lines of sight nationally, and a narrow focus; that that which would ordinarily pass by, is now being looked at through a different lens?

EDIT : I know NOTHING. Assume the numbers are above National averages. But asking a silly question regardless.
 
fergieisold said:
Good to see the NHS workers families getting 60k compensation
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I think it's a load of bollocks they don't get life assurance as it is, I work for a manufacturing firm and if I die in service my family would get double that.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Any distance in a suggestion that because all Hospitals have clear lines of sight nationally, and a narrow focus; that that which would ordinarily pass by, is now being looked at through a different lens?

EDIT : I know NOTHING. Assume the numbers are above National averages. But asking a silly question regardless.
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I have no idea if the numbers are above national averages for conditions that cause similar illnesses. It’s also possible that these are a unique clinical picture, unlike anything seen before. In that scenario, you’d take a cluster as small as half a dozen cases extremely seriously. I’m sure people way smarter than me are keeping an eye on things and we’ll find out soon if we’ve anything to worry about.

Plus, your general point is correct. Everything out of the ordinary is being looked at with a different lens right now. There’s so much unknown about this virus that any even slightly strange or unusual ITU admissions would more concern than it might usually do.
 
jymufc20 said:
I think it's a load of bollocks they don't get life assurance as it is, I work for a manufacturing firm and if I die in service my family would get double that.
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Thats an optional benefit on most cases though. Anyone can pay for life assurance whether privately or through salary sacrifice if offered through work.

Frankly anyone that works and has a family and doesn’t have a life assurance policy is a fecking dumbass.
 
fergieisold said:
only if it was your firms fault I'd imagine?
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No mate, it's basically life insurance for as long as I am employed by them, if I die of anything whilst still employed by them my next of kin gets a payout. They pay the insurance, so there's no cost to us.

It's a pretty big firm worldwide but I had similar life assurance from a local family firm I used to work for so I expected public sector staff would get something similar.
 
jymufc20 said:
No mate, it's basically life insurance for as long as I am employed by them, if I die of anything whilst still employed by them my next of kin gets a payout. They pay the insurance, so there's no cost to us.

It's a pretty big firm worldwide but I had similar life assurance from a local family firm I used to work for so I expected public sector staff would get something similar.
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Yeah mine is the same. I think they might even pay triple in some cases (i.e. if you are travelling for work).
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Yeah mine is the same. I think they might even pay triple in some cases (i.e. if you are travelling for work).
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Am I dumb to think that NHS staff should already get this before covid-19 ?

Edit. I have just read that back and yes, under our government I am dumb to think that.
 
jymufc20 said:
Am I dumb to think that NHS staff should already get this before covid-19 ?

Edit. I have just read that back and yes, under our government I am dumb to think that.
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I depends on the level of employee, I suppose, but NHS employees should absolutely have life insurance provided by their employer as you would expect from any large organization that values those who work for them.
 
fergieisold said:
Good to see the NHS workers families getting 60k compensation
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All the money raised by NHS donations should be given to these people. I think it would work out much more but I wouldn't know how they could work it out. The NHS should not be getting funded by the public donations because this cnut of a government have underfunded it for years.
 
Life assurance is pretty standard at big companies. My employer provides us cover for 6x annual pay, so that 60k really isn't that much.
 
Skills said:
Life assurance is pretty standard at big companies. My employer provides us cover for 6x annual pay, so that 60k really isn't that much.
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Yup I get 6x core salary and then pay for an additional £200k cover.

I worry my wife wanna bump me off with over £600k at stake but I sleep easy knowing my family is totally taken care of if I were to die.
 
jymufc20 said:
I think it's a load of bollocks they don't get life assurance as it is, I work for a manufacturing firm and if I die in service my family would get double that.
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My family get three years salary if I die. Getting 60k means feck all. I'm actually surprised to find out that they don't get that because I'm public sector too. But that's through a local pension scheme I pay into so maybe that's why?
 
BigDunc9 said:
All the money raised by NHS donations should be given to these people. I think it would work out much more but I wouldn't know how they could work it out. The NHS should not be getting funded by the public donations because this cnut of a government have underfunded it for years.
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But Cameron and Boris are grateful for the NHS so that makes up for it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You could work out the volume of your head by immersing yourself in water, first to your chin, then completely. Then you could have a guess at the density of your head based on data from corpses. Tricky one though. Why do you ask? Worried your head has put on a few pounds?
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Weight the bucket, fill it with water and weigh it again. Stick your head in the bucket causing the watervto over flow. Weigh the bucket and remaining water. Deduct the new bucket weight from the full bucket weight and you have the weight of water your head disolaced. The human body is on average very slightly less dense than water (unless you are very skinny) so the weightvof water minus 5% is a good approximation of you head weight.

To be sure decapitate yourself, weigh your head, stitch it back in and resume your job in the cabinet.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
My family get three years salary if I die. Getting 60k means feck all. I'm actually surprised to find out that they don't get that because I'm public sector too. But that's through a local pension scheme I pay into so maybe that's why?
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I am in the private sector so I am not sure how it works for you, it could be something to do with the pension scheme I think the more I put into my pension the more x annual salary my family gets.
 
Ireland ranked 20th in the world in terms of infections registered. But i imagine poorer countries lower down have vastly more infections than actually tabulated.
 
Our Trumper Governor in Oklahoma is starting to re-open the state this Friday while cases in cities like Tulsa are still rising and lack the capacity for asymptomatic testing. It more or less forced the hand of the local mayors, who are generally more competent. Thanks Donald.

Tulsa World News article
 
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