Her court cased failed seemingly so it was all for nothing
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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That is pretty significant though because it buys you precious time to prepare.
The problem I see with travel is that its constantly adding a wildcard into your system. You can model this thing pretty well in a 'closed' system, to know where you are and what you need to do. But air travel especially is a pain - you could have potentially infected people landing at Heathrow and then making their way to each of Manchester/Birmingham/Liverpool/London and infecting people on the way while they share trains/public transport.
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Great news
Important counterpart to the viral load study.
I understand perfectly. We are not going to agree, best leave it.
There are other sections of your post I disagree with in some ways but wanted to focus on this. If you are going to have an opinion on something then at least take the time to look into what you are forming an opinion on. Sweden is and has been social distancing.
It is not a straight trade off of deaths and economy though. There are other factors to weigh up such as general health, mental health both in their pure form and as a by-product of a possible (harsher) economic downturn. How can we quantify deaths as a result of (more) severe lockdowns in terms of suicides, murders? What about increase in domestic and child abuse which would also funnel into possible suicides or future mental health issues? just because some of things can't be labelled or quantified with a number or statistic doesn't mean they are not to be taken into consideration.
Even if it were true (it isn't) then by the same logic any country now loosening restrictions are basically saying "we've had enough of this now, go out and die".
Mean things like twitter and Instagram where she’ll have her actual followers.
We need to find a pensioner who is going to walk laps of their garden until either A) the government gets hold of the situation, including providing frontline workers with their equipment they need to do their job sufficiently, or B) the pensioner drops dead with sheer exhaustion with the world's cameras on them.
I'm sure they're very well aware of her already. She's a well-known crank (banned from youtube for violating their hate speech policy) who has form:
This is the danger of social media. As time passes, every dissenting or challenging voice is either blocked or muted and narcissistic types end up in a noise vacuum of people who are of similar views to themselves. They then share their opinions and more and more are only met with positive reinforcement and it creates intolerable monsters who are incapable of even acknowledging a differing viewpoint.
It's feeling less and less like real life, this, and more like one giant bizarre lab experiment.
"Let's see how surreal we can make things before anyone says 'excuse me sir, this is fecking weird'".
So sorry for your friend and his family. That must be a horrible experience.
About the bolded part, ive read here and heard many other say the same, that intensive care for this virus, like an ventilator, would be "too much" and the treatment itself would kill some older people. And thats why some get refused treatment. Somebody correct me if im wrong.
And again, not trying to take anything away from the sorrow your friend must feel. I cant imagine.
Unfortunately, doesn’t contradict anything the other study says and concludes as follows:
If we combine what we learn from this and previous paper we would conclude that kids less likely than adults to get infected but, once infected, are just as likely to pass it on. Hence school closures are effective at flattening the curve and re-opening then could cause another surge.
Their social distancing is inadequate to be called social distancing, they are somewhat slowing the spread but it's not near enough going by how it looks currently with the amounts of death they have. Tegnell has been quoted saying he believes Sweden is close to herd-immunity which has been called on as bullshit by tons of experts in Norwegian papers.
There are even reports of healthcare workers going out in Sweden and then interacting with the older population the day after.
I think you missed the s button when writing in your alias.
Being close to herd immunity is nonsense. Though I don't think he claimed to be close certainly not in terms of Sweden as a country.
Deaths is a number with an insane amount of variables.
I think you should attempt to be better than feeling the need to resort to playground level name-calling and if you insist on doing so at least try to be better and/or more original. 1/10.
Yup, quite scary actually. Someone like Katie Hopkins epitomises this, she has one million followers. We’re all going about our business in a country where a large number of people are actively following and agreeing with the views of Katie Hopkins. Terrifying.
And while I know that it has been mentioned, schools environment is risky in countries/areas where the virus is definitely circulating. In a classroom you just need one infected kid to contaminate all adults in the school and it's potentially worse if the kid is asymptomatic because before anyone realizes it the community infection is way beyond school premises.
The hard talk is going to be that not all regions/areas should follow the same rules, we will probably have to quarantine geographical areas where the virus is circulating at a certain point in time while the rest of the country/world live its life.
I'm sorry about your friend, I hope he is doing ok in this difficult time.
I will say though that his not going to the ICU, without knowing all of the details, likely has nothing to do with Covid or their response to it.
Despite what some think, ICU is not the logical end point for all patients. We turn down patients for ICU in the UK all the time, as do pretty much all healthcare systems (other than America, where seemingly if you have the money, anybody goes).
This is a reflection of the fact that a) ICU care is brutal and not everyone will get through it b) some peoples' underlying functional state, which can make ICU care futile and impossible to wean off ( some patients once on a ventilator for instance will never be able to come off it because their lungs won't ever function again) and c) the fact that ICU care is incredibly expensive and so there will always be some degree of rationing, even in normal times.
Im not saying that this is your friend necessarily but we still sadly see some family members insist in everything (resuscitation, ICU etc) on their crumbly 91 year old grandma with every medical problem under the sun, who can't leave their bed or do anything for themselves.
Pretty much. Some countries have smashed the initial stage but we need to see what happens long term. For now, we should commend them, with the understanding that long term....we still don't know how things are turning out.
Germany is reopening museums, zoos, botanical gardens, exhibitions, churches, memorial sites and playgrounds. A concept for schools and daycare centres is to be announced next week. That leaves restaurants for whom the Whit weekend at the end of May is being discussed as a possible date for reopening.
Excellent. Europe will be watching closely hoping for good news!
seen this a few times on FB
@Arruda
I won't do a big back and forth, I imagine neither of us has the time currently. There are many things we'll agree on, some we won't and many things I believe we won't know until long in the future.
What I will say, having said similar to both family and colleagues, that while it is very important to keep yourself well informed, if reading about it non stop is causing you anxiety, it is also important to take a break at times and read about other things, so as not to get overwhelmed.
That may come across in a patronising way but I genuinely mean it sincerely.
Good luck in the ED, I have only fond memories of my time there. I am sure you will be well supported and a major asset to the team.
I won't do a big back and forth, I imagine neither of us has the time currently. There are many things we'll agree on, some we won't and many things I believe we won't know until long in the future.
What I will say, having said similar to both family and colleagues, that while it is very important to keep yourself well informed, if reading about it non stop is causing you anxiety, it is also important to take a break at times and read about other things, so as not to get overwhelmed.
That may come across in a patronising way but I genuinely mean it sincerely.
Good luck in the ED, I have only fond memories of my time there. I am sure you will be well supported and a major asset to the team.
I'm surprised we've not heard more around a cyclical lockdown rather than a constant lessened lockdown.
Would it not give people the space to mentally recharge whilst also interrupting the chain of transmission.
Would it not give people the space to mentally recharge whilst also interrupting the chain of transmission.
The amount of faith that some seem to have in Sweden is, in my opinion, somewhat bizarre. The fact that they are still struggling with a large lag in reported deaths is in itself a worry, and their efforts to protect the elderly has failed miserably.
The rest of it depends on the final outcome, which will be the number of total deaths. Given the lack of testing, it's difficult to state with any certainty where they are currently at.
The rest of it depends on the final outcome, which will be the number of total deaths. Given the lack of testing, it's difficult to state with any certainty where they are currently at.
No mention of pubs?
We don't really have a 'pub' culture. Many bars are open already offering take-away drinks but personally I don't think they'll be opening fully anytime soon. All the talk has been about restaurants and beer gardens.
Apparently today's hospital death figure for the whole UK:
473.
Another reduction of 100 or so from yesterday, and around 150 less than this time last week.
This is pretty good news.
No mention of care home figures, though. I'm guessing that will get tagged on at 5pm when it's time for the briefing?
473.
Another reduction of 100 or so from yesterday, and around 150 less than this time last week.
This is pretty good news.
No mention of care home figures, though. I'm guessing that will get tagged on at 5pm when it's time for the briefing?
Lockdowns aren't a switch that turns the virus on and off. The UK has been over a month into their lockdown and they are still posting daily deaths deep into the hundreds. It would be an extremely slippery slope and drastic measures would probably have to be introduced based on very early warning signs. I don't think that would be feasible. Once you remove measures it will be a lot harder to introduce them again and when you tell polticians and the public "well, hospitals are still empty, we don't really record a significant number of deaths, but we have had a worrying uptick in our random testing sample, so we have to introduce strict measures again" they won't accept it and even if they do the first time and it works out they'll call you a scare-monger, because nothing happened and ignore you the next time.
Gradually easing measures one step at a time in order to find an equilibrium where we can coexist with the virus until a cure or vaccine is found sounds like a more realistic approach to me. And even in this case it seems like people are really quick to get careless again and think one easement of restrictions means things are good now and other measures will (have to) be dropped quickly as well.
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Where do these figures come from?
I mean, the DHSC haven't printed the figures yet, so are these from a source or what not? Ive always wondered how some places get the figures sometimes quite a bit before they're printed (sometimes right, sometimes wrong)
They were on the timeline for (I know) The Mirror but they were on something similar yesterday and were accurate give or take a few. No idea where they get them from agreed. We'll get a more official number within the hour surely.
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 546 deaths announced today, 232 fewer than this time last week. Decline seems to be pretty steady.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Updated graph of hospital deaths in England by day of death. 391 deaths reported today, 54 fewer than yesterday and 123 fewer than this time last week. Represents quite the consistent drop.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Now the WHO is lauding Sweden as a "model" for countries going forward. It really seems like one can ask four experts and get five differents opinions at the moment.
I saw the same, and wondered where they got them from, as they haven't been officially printed yet. Then the Daily Fail followed suit and printed the same ones saying that they'll likely rise when the DHSC releases the official figures later + Care/Community deaths.
Again, as i say, they should now move to weekly deaths rather than daily. It's great seeing them drop, but when you get the odd spike up, which will likely happen, it's deflating
Updated graph of hospital deaths in England by day of death. 391 deaths reported today, 54 fewer than yesterday and 123 fewer than this time last week. Represents quite the consistent drop.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Right, so the figure I posted of 473 is probably accurate, then, when you add on Scotland, Wales and NI. Give or take a couple.
I read that last Thursday was 602, so we're looking at a solid reduction of 100-150 per day each day this week (Tuesday was around 200-250 I believe) compared to the same day last week.
This is very encouraging. If they add on care home deaths at 5pm, it'll climb by a couple of hundred no doubt. But I'm focusing on the situation in our hospitals which is visibly improving week to week.
Why don't we just inject soap into our bodies?seen this a few times on FB
I saw the same, and wondered where they got them from, as they haven't been officially printed yet. Then the Daily Fail followed suit and printed the same ones saying that they'll likely rise when the DHSC releases the official figures later + Care/Community deaths.
Again, as i say, they should now move to weekly deaths rather than daily. It's great seeing them drop, but when you get the odd spike up, which will likely happen, it's deflating
Ekkie's reliable data confirms 391 for England, so the 473 is likely to be correct, thankfully.
I'm guessing like all other 'scoops', people working at the DHSC or similar are selling stories.
We're not seeing the spike at the moment, which is why I'm remaining positive. Every day this week we've been 100-150 better off than the same day the week before; 200-250 on Tuesday, which is huge. It's the additional care home deaths that are going to create the spike it seems, which is understandable and of course, sad news.
Now that is the kind of source information i like.Updated graph of hospital deaths in England by day of death. 391 deaths reported today, 54 fewer than yesterday and 123 fewer than this time last week. Represents quite the consistent drop.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Data source for @Brownie85: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Heres hoping we see a continuing downwards trend.