SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Balljy said:
What's happened to 25 to 64 year olds?
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It's all here and isn't hugely different for that age group.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/survey-results/daily/2020/05/01/39a7a/1

I'm not sure if I agree with adding the strongly support and somewhat support together into one figure as they do in the tweet but it's clear most aren't coming out against continuing the lockdown.

I feel asking someone if they somewhat agree/disagreewith something is a bit wishy washy and isn't very definitive.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
They concluded that people have been testing positive after previously testing negative because they’re getting viral debris (rather than live viruses) on the swab. Presumably part of the healing process involves damaged cells breaking down and releasing loads of bits and pieces of dead virus.

Tells us feck all about whether they’re immune or not, unfortunately. Basically the headline is massively misleading.
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Good post. Spinning an old story just for clicks
 
It does suggest that the cases around the world were most likely not re-infections but either a relapse or this.. dead cells that were leading to a false positive.

Doesnt account for every case globally.. but a positive sign.

Doesnt prove immunity.. and even if someone is immune, we dont know how long the antibodies stay in the person.. months.. years.. we'll have to wait and see.
 
RK said:
Slight tangent, but any ideas why Singapore has such a low number of reported deaths vs reported cases? 16 from 17,101.
They're a massive outlier at the moment.

Edit: Qatar too I suppose.
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Cases in community are low and are mostly limited to foreign worker dormitories, most of whom work in construction and thus are fitter and healthier. The government screwed up with the awful living conditions for these workers which precipitated the spread, it is pretty much out of control now but they have locked these dorms down compared to the wider community where restrictions are not as tight. Similar for Qatar if I were to hazard a guess.
 
What seems to be the plan in Ireland with vulnerable people.

It's not quite clear from reading the document, despite the aims listing providing clear information for vulnerable groups :lol:

I'm expecting it to get extended for those groups, but wondering just how long they intend to keep the vulnerable locked up for.
 
Withnail said:
Hang on. We've done very well so far, and I don't see what's so wrong about learning from the experiences of other countries. Best practice is to analyse what has and hasn't worked for others in similar situations and to act accordingly.

We seem to have a logical plan and it's quite likely we'll have to take a backwards step here or there.
However, given each stage is set at three weeks then it's got that margin for error built in so we can gauge how the situation develops.

How you can say we've jumped on Boris's bandwagon when they've clearly been behind us on this thing at every stage is bizarre.
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We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
 
P-Nut said:
What seems to be the plan in Ireland with vulnerable people.

It's not quite clear from reading the document, despite the aims listing providing clear information for vulnerable groups :lol:

I'm expecting it to get extended for those groups, but wondering just how long they intend to keep the vulnerable locked up for.
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I have a few friends in England who fall into the "elderly but really healthy and active" group. I think there could have been some gradual differentiation when it comes to older people. I've mentioned before my friend who's over 70 but runs a 5k every single morning, and I have another friend in her late 70s who cycles, swims and plays badminton every day. They're both slim with no health conditions.

It's illogical to be telling them to stay inside all the time, it's worse for their mental health than their physical health.
 
Shakesey said:
Wow... In SA I'd venture it's 71% oppose and 29% support.
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Here in Australia there is appetite for small scale reductions in lock down but no call for rapid change and we only have 10-15 new infections per day and no cases of untraced community transmission for a few days - all in 4 known places - 2 old people's homes, 1 hospital and 1 now closed meat factory.
 
Comparatively quiet Mayday yesterday. Berlin and Hamburg saw the biggest demonstrations with 700 and 1000 participants respectively, led by far left groups. There was some violence (bottles and firecrackers were thrown) but in the end police were able to contain the situation. The usual stuff.

At least, some of them were wearing masks :D

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There is a video here: https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Randale-in-Hamburg-und-Berlin-article21753829.html
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
While on the one hand that Ireland roap map looks logical, on the other hand, the fact they are hoping to open up work and business fully by October basically means that by next summer Ireland is going to be hitting the third-world-European ranks alongside the likes of Moldova and such.

If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.

Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.
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DomesticTadpole said:
Who has been banned?
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This guy for posting drivel
 
cyberman said:
We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
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What are you talking about?

There was more than schools closed. We were in the containment phase from March 12th.

I was working from home on govt advice and we'd already cancelled Paddy's Day while the UK allowed Cheltenham to go ahead.
 
Withnail said:
What are you talking about?

There was more than schools closed. We were in the containment phase from March 12th.

I was working from home on govt advice and we'd already cancelled Paddy's Day while the UK allowed Cheltenham to go ahead.
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Yea ireland was well ahead of the uk because it was causing issues in the north
 
esmufc07 said:
Surprised it’s that high to be honest
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I posted the link to the you gov poll earlier in the thread.

It is as high as that if you add together the somewhat support and strongly support figures.

Although if it was a straight Support/Don't Support question the figures might be different.
 
cyberman said:
We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
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That’s just not true. We took multiple proactive steps before them. I remember because we were getting more stringent advice than the mother-in-law in England at the time, and it was driving us bonkers that she was still going into London etc because they hadn’t been told otherwise
 
I have quite a few friends who are doctors and they all say that the media and government are straight up lying to people. There are no where near 100,000 tests being done. There's barely 40,000.

The propoganda machine here is just as bad as anywhere else.
 
mancan92 said:
I have quite a few friends who are doctors and they all say that the media and government are straight up lying to people. There are no where near 100,000 tests being done. There's barely 40,000.

The propoganda machine here is just as bad as anywhere else.
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Haven't they admitted that they are including test that have been sent out in the post as well, but not yet done? They are definitely manipulating the figures to make themselves look good.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s just not true. We took multiple proactive steps before them. I remember because we were getting more stringent advice than the mother-in-law in England at the time, and it was driving us bonkers that she was still going into London etc because they hadn’t been told otherwise
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Boris was advising away until his heart was content, he was telling the public not go to to clubs etc for a while before they closed it down. The advice was there, its the actions that count.
I just have an overall problem with how this was handled from the start. There were calls for special protection of care homes that were ignored, there had to be a public outcry to cancel Paddys Day and the pubs themselves etc etc. Leo was even out in America in anticipation of it. We thundered ahead with closures and speeches while in discussion with NI, not informing them about our actions and pissing them off to the point an all island plan was abandoned and proclaiming our pokiticians to be grandstanding
We arent even performing that well per capita, we just spent the first few months condescendingly laughing at Boris and Trump while doing little ourselves to the point we were blaming nurses for not washing their hands for the entire spread and the UK even went into lockdown before us. Our early assessment has as many goof soundbites as the other countries that are so called struggling.
Our governent, by and large, doesnt act until theres a demand for it. Face masks is the next demand that theyll give in to.
I just think its all a bit of a myth and im rambling a bit but the difference between us and UK is their government were voted into power and ours want to work their way back in. Thats why they give into public outcries which seems proactive on the surface but thats all it is.
 
cyberman said:
We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
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Withnail said:
What are you talking about?

There was more than schools closed. We were in the containment phase from March 12th.

I was working from home on govt advice and we'd already cancelled Paddy's Day while the UK allowed Cheltenham to go ahead.
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golden_blunder said:
That’s just not true. We took multiple proactive steps before them. I remember because we were getting more stringent advice than the mother-in-law in England at the time, and it was driving us bonkers that she was still going into London etc because they hadn’t been told otherwise
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ROI also took a much more proactive approach to testing & tracing, which is rather crucial.
 
The easing of the lockdown and in particular any relaxation on social spacing is going to take various 'unlock' stages spread out over different time periods and it appears each sector will have to make plans to suit its own needs.
The hospitality industry will probably face the worst of this and be hit the hardest. Government backed assistance plans might include the usual rent holidays, rates rebates, etc. but also where an outlet can show its business plan operated in profit over the previous year and show how this will need to be amended over the next year and can still demonstrate a return to profitability with reasonable business assumptions and risks; then government backed funding/interest free loans of some kind, not just furlough, but investment in the business, new lighting, seating, upgrading of toilets, kitchens ,even some basic property upgrades that normally would require closure to complete, could all be considered. Also short-term changes to the business model, deliveries, change of product/service range, etc. could all be planned and taken into consideration. Those businesses that can shown to be already ahead with business planning, should be at the front of the queue.

In an industry like hospitality the fact that all your competitors are likely to be in the same place as you should spur owners/managers to get up early and get ahead start, definitely in any recovery those who 'snooze will loose'.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Sweden claim to have a R number of 0.85 since 25th April.
Was over 3 in late Feb - early March, 1.4 at start of April and below 1 since 21st April.

Full story: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tegnell-det-betyder-att-pandemin-successivt-kommer-ebba-ut
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I saw this. Sweden has only tested 117k acc. to worldometer, so maybe a pinch of salt on that info. But.. IF it is correct, that would mean people are doing what they are asked to do and the model works except for the nursing home situation. I hope that is correct as it would give hope to many nations where one can do the same "middleway" approach until a vaccine.

Sidenote : Yesterday, Norway had its first day without any corona deaths since the first death in march. We are down to very small numbers now, typical 30-50 new infections per day, and only 28 on Respirator and 85 in total in hospital. I expect those numbers to rise again though as we are reopening more and more.
 
cyberman said:
Boris was advising away until his heart was content, he was telling the public not go to to clubs etc for a while before they closed it down. The advice was there, its the actions that count.
I just have an overall problem with how this was handled from the start. There were calls for special protection of care homes that were ignored, there had to be a public outcry to cancel Paddys Day and the pubs themselves etc etc. Leo was even out in America in anticipation of it. We thundered ahead with closures and speeches while in discussion with NI, not informing them about our actions and pissing them off to the point an all island plan was abandoned and proclaiming our pokiticians to be grandstanding
We arent even performing that well per capita, we just spent the first few months condescendingly laughing at Boris and Trump while doing little ourselves to the point we were blaming nurses for not washing their hands for the entire spread and the UK even went into lockdown before us. Our early assessment has as many goof soundbites as the other countries that are so called struggling.
Our governent, by and large, doesnt act until theres a demand for it. Face masks is the next demand that theyll give in to.
I just think its all a bit of a myth and im rambling a bit but the difference between us and UK is their government were voted into power and ours want to work their way back in. Thats why they give into public outcries which seems proactive on the surface but thats all it is.
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I know that you have an issue with who is still in power but on the face off it, they have done a decent job to keep the numbers down. Could have been so much worse. Imho of course.
 
Yesterday had a first meal and a pint outside of my own place, surreal feeling. In the city centre all of the outside terraces were packed yesterday due to great weather but minding all the social distancing required between the tables, 3 people max per table, everyone with masks, disinfectant fluid on every table. Apparently, the city council allocated a certain amount of sq. meters for every restaurant to be able to put up their own outside terrace all over the city. All in all a positive experience.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Haven't they admitted that they are including test that have been sent out in the post as well, but not yet done? They are definitely manipulating the figures to make themselves look good.
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Don't doubt that for a second. My wife has symptoms and because we are over 65, I requested home test kits.

The first thing you have to do is to register them and I am pretty sure that this counts as a test even though the samples will not be collected until tomorrow, Sunday and the results will then take at least a further few days.
 
Rajma said:
Yesterday had a first meal and a pint outside of my own place, surreal feeling. In the city centre all of the outside terraces were packed yesterday due to great weather but minding all the social distancing required between the tables, 3 people max per table, everyone with masks, disinfectant fluid on every table. Apparently, the city council allocated a certain amount of sq. meters for every restaurant to be able to put up their own outside terrace all over the city. All in all a positive experience.
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+ Very hopeful gov allows us playing football outside again in two weeks time as well. It will be interesting how we will handle opening up our borders though.
 
Rajma said:
+ Very hopeful gov allows us playing football outside again in two weeks time as well. It will be interesting how we will handle opening up our borders though.
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Where are you?
 
arnie_ni said:
Haven't been following the sweden arguments in here to much, but arent they doing considerably worse than there neighbouring countries?
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We went through this yesterday @arnie_ni, the Swedish cities (Gothenburg and Malmö) that had an early half term (week 7-8) are doing very well. The massive county of Skåne which includes Malmö has just 70 deaths and 22 people currently in ICU.

Stockholm had week 9 and is doing way worse.
We simply have no idea how much virus was in each country in mid-March so comparing at this point is daft. Compare at the end of Summer at the earliest I’d say. Even within Sweden the difference is enormous between cities.

Just because a country is a neighbour doesn’t mean they all got the same dose in late Feb/early March, New York State and it’s neighbours show us this.

That said, the curve is flat, which was the plan all along and even in hardest hit Stockholm, the ICU number today is just 188 people*, down from a peak of 232 on 23rd April.
They believe the R-number is below one now based on hospital admission stats.

*https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/corona-i-intensivvarden/

Deaths per day is also past peak:
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Now if, and it’s a big if, antibody tests prove the health ministry correct about 26% infected in Stockholm region as of yesterday, they are some promising signs.
 
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Cardboard elk said:
I saw this. Sweden has only tested 117k acc. to worldometer, so maybe a pinch of salt on that info. But.. IF it is correct, that would mean people are doing what they are asked to do and the model works except for the nursing home situation. I hope that is correct as it would give hope to many nations where one can do the same "middleway" approach until a vaccine.

Sidenote : Yesterday, Norway had its first day without any corona deaths since the first death in march. We are down to very small numbers now, typical 30-50 new infections per day, and only 28 on Respirator and 85 in total in hospital. I expect those numbers to rise again though as we are reopening more and more.
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I think hospitalised patients alone tells them alot about the R-number. I don’t think they need to be testing a hundred thousand a week to know that.
Amazing news with Norway, it’ll creep up now but I’m hopeful they will do a better job in care homes, especially as antibody tests become more and more accurate.
 
cyberman said:
Boris was advising away until his heart was content, he was telling the public not go to to clubs etc for a while before they closed it down. The advice was there, its the actions that count.
I just have an overall problem with how this was handled from the start. There were calls for special protection of care homes that were ignored, there had to be a public outcry to cancel Paddys Day and the pubs themselves etc etc. Leo was even out in America in anticipation of it. We thundered ahead with closures and speeches while in discussion with NI, not informing them about our actions and pissing them off to the point an all island plan was abandoned and proclaiming our pokiticians to be grandstanding
We arent even performing that well per capita, we just spent the first few months condescendingly laughing at Boris and Trump while doing little ourselves to the point we were blaming nurses for not washing their hands for the entire spread and the UK even went into lockdown before us. Our early assessment has as many goof soundbites as the other countries that are so called struggling.
Our governent, by and large, doesnt act until theres a demand for it. Face masks is the next demand that theyll give in to.
I just think its all a bit of a myth and im rambling a bit but the difference between us and UK is their government were voted into power and ours want to work their way back in. Thats why they give into public outcries which seems proactive on the surface but thats all it is.
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It seemed like you had an axe to grind alright.

I think they've done quite well overall and I wouldn't have been a huge fan of FG but they've handled it better than I expected them to.

You seem to be giving out that we didn't take action sooner but also complaining that we went ahead with our plans regardless of what the they were doing in NI so you're not making a huge amount of sense to me.

On the per capita figures I don't believe they are a good judge anyway as they tend to make countries with larger populations look worse.

The UK are looking like finishing with the highest number of deaths in Europe so the situations really don't compare at all.
 
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