SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[fergieisold]

An acquaintance of my tested positive with whom I’ve indirectly been in contact with. Or I suppose anywhere really as I’ve been working going to shops ordering takeaways etc. All I know is that I’ve got a high temperature, body aches all over, lethargy a very mild inconsistent cough. Today is the worst day since the symptoms started on Wednesday.

Horrible being ill, plenty of rest and you'll be fine I'm sure!

 

[djembatheking]

Go over and have a word. I'm sure they'll be reasonable.

You are joking aren`t you , got their holiday heads on and have spent good money to come here and enjoy themselves and to stay clear of the news for a while . To be honest I keep a wide berth this year, most that come to Anglesey are from the north west of England, but it just shows how easy it is to spread. There are loads down that eat out every night in different places, you could say a perfect environment to spread a virus.

 

[Vidyoyo]

You are joking aren`t you , got their holiday heads on and have spent good money to come here and enjoy themselves and to stay clear of the news for a while . To be honest I keep a wide berth this year, most that come to Anglesey are from the north west of England, but it just shows how easy it is to spread. There are loads down that eat out every night in different places, you could say a perfect environment to spread a virus.

Of course. Definitely worth keeping a wide berth but I can see why it's frustrating/worrying.

 

[djembatheking]

Of course. Definitely worth keeping a wide berth but I can see why it's frustrating/worrying.

It is really frustrating mate, my mother and father in law live just up the road and haven`t been out since march, can`t even go for a walk on the beach as he has alzheimers and sleep apnoea . He loves a walk out but there are that many people about it is not worth the risk, he is really sociable and loves to chat to people but you can`t do it as he just forgets to socially distance. Anyway, I am off to have a cup of tea in the garden with them now while the sun is out.

 

[Paxi]

@fergieisold thanks for the positivity lad. Appreciated.

 

[Maticmaker]

There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.

If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".

 

[Paxi]

I think it’s a bit of both. The government have truly messed up their messaging throughout the whole thing, it was never going to be a good thing to encourage people to eat out, return to pubs or get back to offices. They were probably banking on companies and hospitality having amazing, strict Covid prevention strategies in place but other than wearing a mask and sticking some hand gel out, there hasn’t been any. Some will say the guidelines on what makes a workplace/shop/restaurant “Covid safe” should have been better cascaded by the government and that is true BUT these places have to take accountability too, it’s not rocket science - for instance, with all the hype of PS5, Game and Currys have had people queuing to get in stores to preorder. The Game I went in yesterday had no inkling to invite the queue inside one at a time or to get someone in the queue asking what they wanted to speed things along, it was a free for all and a long wait inside a store not being even 1m apart (luckily I was second in the queue, would not have waited otherwise). If I walk past my local Nandos, the chairs are not 2m apart, the staff aren’t wearing masks etc. These are just two stories of many. The fact is a vast number of people have returned to their pre Covid ways with the exception of the token gesture of wearing a mask in a shop. That is NOT going to cut it. A large part of that attitude is the governments doing but a good portion is the inherent non commitment of the general public to safety precautions.

That’s exactly what I see day in day out too. Absolutely nothing being done to prevent the virus from spreading apart from as you say token gestures. Incidentally, the girl that I’ve been in contact with whom contracted the virus works in a bloody nightclub. I mean come on!

 

[djembatheking]

There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.

If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".

What about people seeking testing that have got symptoms like Maxi?

 

[Paxi]

There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.

If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".

The thing is people by and large are idiots and cannot be left to their own devices. Issuing guidelines isn’t good enough and the government should know better that people will largely not give two shits after about a week. People predicted this earlier in this thread and unfortunately it’s come to pass.

 

[Maticmaker]

What about people seeking testing that have got symptoms like Maxi?

Well if those who didn't need to seek testing, stayed away, then those who do actually have symptoms or are in specialist occupations would stand a better chance of getting their test.
As I said the Government have got things wrong, but it seems to me we are not helping ourselves as much as we could.

 

[acnumber9]

I think it’s a bit of both. The government have truly messed up their messaging throughout the whole thing, it was never going to be a good thing to encourage people to eat out, return to pubs or get back to offices. They were probably banking on companies and hospitality having amazing, strict Covid prevention strategies in place but other than wearing a mask and sticking some hand gel out, there hasn’t been any. Some will say the guidelines on what makes a workplace/shop/restaurant “Covid safe” should have been better cascaded by the government and that is true BUT these places have to take accountability too, it’s not rocket science - for instance, with all the hype of PS5, Game and Currys have had people queuing to get in stores to preorder. The Game I went in yesterday had no inkling to invite the queue inside one at a time or to get someone in the queue asking what they wanted to speed things along, it was a free for all and a long wait inside a store not being even 1m apart (luckily I was second in the queue, would not have waited otherwise). If I walk past my local Nandos, the chairs are not 2m apart, the staff aren’t wearing masks etc. These are just two stories of many. The fact is a vast number of people have returned to their pre Covid ways with the exception of the token gesture of wearing a mask in a shop. That is NOT going to cut it. A large part of that attitude is the governments doing but a good portion is the inherent non commitment of the general public to safety precautions.

I don’t doubt that at all. But the Government wants people doing it. They were practically begging people to do it. Yes, the stores could be managing these things better, people can do more for themselves and others but the biggest crime remains what the Government have and haven’t done. And they’re largely getting away with blaming selfish twats for it. As they set it up to do.

They should’ve had adequate systems in place for re-opening and they shouldn’t have lied about face masks when they were happy to pretend there was no scientific evidence they helped. Don’t get me wrong, I know you aren’t defending them but I feel that blaming everybody else is exactly what they want us to do. And feck them.

 

[acnumber9]

There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.

If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".

You’re these useless cnuts in Governments dream.

 

[djembatheking]

Well if those who didn't need to seek testing, stayed away, then those who do actually have symptoms or are in specialist occupations would stand a better chance of getting their test.
As I said the Government have got things wrong, but it seems to me we are not helping ourselves as much as we could.

Sorry mate, I misunderstood you , I agree . It is going to get worse very quickly though if cases are rising and there are no tests available.

 

[blue blue]

You’re these useless cnuts in Governments dream.

And so are you.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We have got no chance, a family of 6 geordies have just arrived to stay in the holiday home next to my house, no doubt off to the beach this afternoon then a meal in one of the local pubs. There are no tests available round here so what is the likely hood of them staying in and isolating if any of them felt a bit ill?

I'd be staying well clear.

 

[acnumber9]

And so are you.

Of course I am. Thanks for that comment based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Maagge]

After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.

• All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
• Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
• People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
• Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.

 

[Paxi]

After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.

• All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
• Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
• People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
• Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.

How does that work? Staggered working hours? it’s a rush hour for a reason.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

@maxihope you feel better soon chap

 

[djembatheking]

I'd be staying well clear.

I will. I usually quite enjoy seeing people from all over as it is quiet here and it is good to have a few new faces around but in the current climate it is feckin horrible as the movement of people is what is carrying this and making it worse.

 

[Paxi]

So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.

If the government were to take preventative measures now where by we introduced strict measures. I’e similar lockdown down to what it was in spring. Closing of all non essential shops. Bars, cinemas, nightclubs. Back to controlling social distancing. If island of Ireland did that then I think we’d be able to flatten the curve. By the way, managed to get myself to a testing facility. Fingers crossed it’s nothing, but a part of me just wants to get it over and done with if that makes sense.

 

[Heardy]

So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.

I read posts like this and get an overwhelming sense of utter dread that we are well and truly fecked. I naively hoped that there would be light at the end of the tunnel after 6 months, but fear we haven't seen anything yet.

 

[Paxi]

@maxihope you feel better soon chap

Thanks a lot dude. Just got myself down to a testing facility. I feel slightly better in the last couple of hours.

 

[Maagge]

How does that work? Staggered working hours? it’s a rush hour for a reason.

Yeah it's a strange one, but I'm guessing it means people who are just out running errands or whatever should try and plan around that.

 

[Adamsk7]

Thanks a lot dude. Just got myself down to a testing facility. I feel slightly better in the last couple of hours.

Great news on both counts

 

[Paxi]

Great news on both counts

Thanks. Even if I do have it, I just hope it’s like most cases. A moderate inconvenience for a few days. At least after that you can sort of have a peace of mind. Of course it’s better not to have it at all but I’d rather now then in winter.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If the government were to take preventative measures now where by we introduced strict measures. I’e similar lockdown down to what it was in spring. Closing of all non essential shops. Bars, cinemas, nightclubs. Back to controlling social distancing. If island of Ireland did that then I think we’d be able to flatten the curve. By the way, managed to get myself to a testing facility. Fingers crossed it’s nothing, but a part of me just wants to get it over and done with if that makes sense.

Good man yourself. Waiting for the result is a weird feeling. And when my test came back negative I was already feeling a lot better, so was kind of gutted!

 

[massi83]

After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.

• All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
• Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
• People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
• Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.

Not that it is very important, but out of curiosity; what are your rules for football games now? You had full stadiums for a while, right? Now max 500, or 500 for every stand or something else?

 

[Paxi]

Yeah it's a strange one, but I'm guessing it means people who are just out running errands or whatever should try and plan around that.

I mean, just try to avoid public places all together surely? I try to limit myself to my local grocery store and that’s it. Genuinely think we would be able to cope better if we had more stringent rules. No public gatherings, restaurants, bars, clubs all closed. I’m no economist but surely, having partial restart to economy that entail working either from home or where you can keep social distance like building sites, Window cleaning, gardening, etc is better then opening everything for a couple of months only for everything to bloody close again. Of course I’m talking about UK where I think our government has made a right mess of it.

 

[golden_blunder]

Pretty sure my kids have it. Some pretty severe symptoms and I've been in two minds to dial 999.

Can't get a test at all. Baffles me how they reduced testing sites knowing a second wave was going to hit

Any update fella?

 

[Paxi]

Good man yourself. Waiting for the result is a weird feeling. And when my test came back negative I was already feeling a lot better, so was kind of gutted!

I understand. Is post COVID syndrome something people whom had the virus need to worry about or is it a certain age group or people with pre existing conditions. Sorry haven’t been following this thread as it started giving me anxiety.

 

[Paxi]

Pretty sure my kids have it. Some pretty severe symptoms and I've been in two minds to dial 999.

Can't get a test at all. Baffles me how they reduced testing sites knowing a second wave was going to hit

Hope you and your family are safe and on the mend. I agree about the testing just had to experience it for myself. I don’t even think we’re anywhere near a second wave yet but things are certainly escalating by the data that we’re seeing.

 

[Maagge]

Not that it is very important, but out of curiosity; what are your rules for football games now? You had full stadiums for a while, right? Now max 500, or 500 for every stand or something else?

I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.

I mean, just try to avoid public places all together surely? I try to limit myself to my local grocery store and that’s it. Genuinely think we would be able to cope better if we had more stringent rules. No public gatherings, restaurants, bars, clubs all closed. I’m no economist but surely, having partial restart to economy that entail working either from home or where you can keep social distance like building sites, Window cleaning, gardening, etc is better then opening everything for a couple of months only for everything to bloody close again. Of course I’m talking about UK where I think our government has made a right mess of it.

I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.

 

[massi83]

I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.

I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.

Thanks! I thought the title decider last season was totally full stadium, maybe reduced after that.

Surprised to hear about the app. We launched one couple of weeks ago and had over 2 million downloads in a week.

 

[Maagge]

Thanks! I thought the title decider last season was totally full stadium, maybe reduced after that.

Surprised to hear about the app. We launched one couple of weeks ago and had over 2 million downloads in a week.

I just checked three Google store and it's had more than 100k downloads. So maybe double that if you add the iPhones out there.
I'm not surprised given how little I've heard about it.

 

[Paxi]

I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.

I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.

There were plenty of people in this thread who were predicting this. People will follow rules but only up to a point. After that it’s fatigue, laziness or just plain irresponsibility. In my opinion, even with stricter measures we’d see this thing happen but it wouldn’t be to extent it is now. At least for UK, the guidelines are all over the place and aren’t taken seriously by an overwhelming majority of people I know whom are otherwise sensible people. It leads me to believe, if you communicate something poorly then you shouldn’t expect a positive outcome from people. Anyway, every time I start this topic I have anxiety so I’m not getting sucked in again. I’ll update you all about my results tomorrow. Thanks for the kind messages.

 

[massi83]

I just checked three Google store and it's had more than 100k downloads. So maybe double that if you add the iPhones out there.
I'm not surprised given how little I've heard about it.

Odd. We have over 1m in Google store. I would think it is quite useful, if at least 20% download it (40% now for Finland). Your numbers are not enough to make a difference unfortunately. It has been marketed rather well here.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

With all the finger pointing going on about who’s to blame, maybe we just need to accept that this really is a seasonal virus? All the usual coughs and cold viruses die down in summer and surge in winter so it shouldn’t be a massive surprise if this does the same.

Perhaps the cooler weather means we’re pissing in the wind to try and crush this curve for the next 6 months no matter what we do?

 

[The Cat]

Our area Bridgend is now on the watchlist with cases ramping up a bit.

I've been to the pub quite a bit outdoors on my own table but now it's time to stay away. Oh well I managed for months so a couple of weeks or so isn't a big deal to me.