DavidDeSchmikes
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I'm surprised the Beeb is even drawing attention to this
by the time the US Election comes around, stuff like this is all forgotten and disappears in the news cycle
Because the first ones I looked at you were completely wrong on and I don’t know enough about other factors in South Africa to really comment. Which is why I’ve tried to concentrate on what I do know. You’re not considering differences in class sizes etc. Many countries have had staggered schooling. We don’t.
You keep stating these things as fact when they aren’t. Japan re-opened schools on 18 May. Their peak was in July.
Schools have been closed in that time period though. Two weeks up here but not sure about down south. I know you don’t want it to be true but you’re a smart man, surely you can see the correlation?
The idea that these governments are just unwilling to admit that schools are a problem is silly. They don't control the narrative in the science community, nor are they manufacturing the research that tells us schools aren't a major problem.
They don't seem to have prepared any guidelines at all, it's a shambles. We can leave the house to exercise, but does that mean from home or can we drive places? We can meet one person from another household outdoors, but does that have to be the same person or can we see a different person every day? Minor matters compared to the horrors some have gone through I know, but the government's planning and preparation just never seems to improve.
Even when the scientists provide the evidence?
No-one is saying 14 year olds are properly social distancing at all times and taking all necessary precautions to limit the spread. They're saying that even in purely biological terms, irrespective of behaviour, they are less likely to spread it.
I didn't trust the politicians at all when they were saying it doesn't spread much amount kids teenagers but I don't see why we should doubt the significant number of independent scientists across the world that have come to the same conclusion, with separate pieces if evidence. All of the evidence is imperfect but why should we distrust their conclusions?
Furlough will be extended to December
"It will feel different and better by the Spring...
In Australia schools have been involved in many of the outbreaks. I'm thinking that primary kids and secondary schools are very different things. The infection data I saw ages ago backed this up.
By Spring of course could mean anything from March 1st to May 31st so being as vague as possible fits into the narrative nicely.
In Australia schools have been involved in many of the outbreaks. I'm thinking that primary kids and secondary schools are very different things. The infection data I saw ages ago backed this up.
making it up as he goes along.By Spring of course could mean anything from March 1st to May 31st so being as vague as possible fits into the narrative nicely.
Been a shit week... JJ, Nobby, Connery.
But for a couple of seconds, that made me smile. Thanks.
Thanks.Happy to help brother. Take it easy.
At times our media don't go far enoughThe media should be jumping all over this point but they won't. Hope Labour back the good work Andy is doing and hammer it home.
And for every article that says it’s not an issue you can find one that says it is. Depends what you want to believe. In the meantime all we have are case numbers and theories. When cases increase a smart person looks at what’s changed in the meantime.Sure, but the core principle remains the same. Kids spread the disease a lot in school, whether it's in South Africa or NI. Nowhere have they found that to be the case, while there are many countries that have had their schools open for much longer that don't seem to fit this simple pattern: schools open, cases rise. If you're smart, you can see the correlation.
Japan had a short summer break, and came back in August. There highest point was almost 2,000 cases right on the 3rd of August and they had over 1,000 cases a day between the 3rd - 10th August, while they only surpassed 1,000 in the last couple of days in July. But the point isn't when the precise peak was; again, that's a detail that distracts from the essential point. Since August, when they all came back after a short break, cases haven't spiked. You don't need to quibble about that, the numbers are straightforward.
What it tells us is that schools can be re-opened without leading to the spike that we saw in NI. And we already know that spike that happened in NI has happened elsewhere without schools re-opening. Those aren't theories. What you have is a theory that we know has some holes. I'm not putting forward a theory for why cases have spiked: I'm happy to say it's inconclusive. I'm not advocating to close schools or to keep them open. I'm just pointing out that the theory put forward based on the obvious evidence has a number of obvious flaws.
Anyway, we've exhausted the argument, and people have provided better evidence for you to argue against anyway. I won't pollute the thread any more.
Based on nothing but my own assumptions I would say they have had pretty much feck all effect.One thing that strikes me about this is does the mean that wearing masks had little affect? The vast majority have been wearing them here, but did they do any good?
If only Mr pigeon, if only.Will this prevent me from seeing my wife and kids? We live in the same house but I'm hoping to figure out a reason to avoid them all.
Could be March or May 2022.By Spring of course could mean anything from March 1st to May 31st so being as vague as possible fits into the narrative nicely.
Will barbers be open?
Booked myself in with Alison for WednesdayNope, Freddy Boswell look for a month.
Agree. It’s too soft as it is. Close schools for a few weeks ffs it’s not a huge deal. If this is for the NHS then literally everything needs to be done. All these half measures is the reason the UK/Europe has been in this mess for so long. You need to take tough action for a short period of time.If Boris and cnuts want to make this work, they need to actually enforce it, and not bow down to the back bench cnuts
None of this gyms stay open in defiance or whatever...it needs to be strict as feck with it...otherwise 4 weeks could easily become 4 months of lock down, as I doubt that by the end of the 4 weeks the cases will have started dropping - at best, level off
One thing that strikes me about this is does the mean that wearing masks had little affect? The vast majority have been wearing them here, but did they do any good?
I know, it’s obvious, yet there will be uproar.This lockdown won’t end on the 2nd of December. 4 weeks will become 8 weeks. Forget about seeing any family outside your household this Christmas.
Not following you around threads agreeing with you but I agreeAnd for every article that says it’s not an issue you can find one that says it is. Depends what you want to believe. In the meantime all we have are case numbers and theories. When cases increase a smart person looks at what’s changed in the meantime.
I can see why people want schools open and want to believe it’s not a problem. It’s obviously far from ideal to have kids not at school but I think they at least need to consider either closing schools or staggering attendance to limit spread while not completely leaving kids adrift.Not following you around threads agreeing with you but I agree
And I’m completely staggered by the theories going around that schools and colleges aren’t having a large effect. These studies and graphs that claim to show it hasn’t I can only dismiss as complete garbage.
It is so far beyond reason, common sense, logic and evidence that schools/colleges haven’t caused a major upturn in cases. I actually think it was right for them to open and to remain open but honestly claims it’s not had a big effect is just.. I dunno wow.
I was actually in a college a few weeks back and was alarmed by how little the teens were keeping distance. They were huddled in numerous groups, bunches of half a dozen to a dozen, shouting over each other at basically face level.
Teens mostly live at home with other family members. We also know they are less attentive to cleanliness. Pretty much 95% of the people I’ve seen not wearing masks have been people below 16.
Schools/colleges open and LITERALLY six weeks later cases are surging and we’re heading into lockdown, bars/restaurants opened in fecking July but somehow despite all this the schools are apparently not the main cause. As in what? Seriously what? When did so many people abandon reason for madness?
I got a D in my GCSE Science but I would happily discredit with 100% certainty any article/study that tries to say schools and colleges weren’t a main cause of an upsurge in cases.