He thinks you’re wrong too, big guy.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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No, the preceding statement is about the vaccine being FDA approved for prevention of covid19 in individuals aged 16 and up. In August that meant two doses.
Use as a booster in those 16 and over wasn't under consideration when the FDA approved the vaccine, hence the need to make boosters available under EUA.
What’s with the attitude? He’s reading the same thing I’m reading at least…
And you’re yet to provide what I’ve requested (unless again it was posted and I missed it in which case apologies but do please point me that way if it is the case)
Mind DMing me? Should be easier there instead of nit-pick back and forth here
(because I do have more to say, just don’t want to drag it on here any more. If you prefer here, I can just post it shortly)
What’s with the attitude? You’re trumpeting a Candace Owens conspiracy that’s been debunked for months. It’s old.
Here is the BLA Approval letter from the FDA, providing Full Approval for the Pfizer vaccine. Just like I said.
https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
And what Dwayne said here is what I’ve been telling you this whole time.
I'm not so much nit-picking as deconstructing the statement to clarify all of its elements. The way it's presented can seem confusing if you take each paragraph in isolation.
Ohh okkay, I see what you’re saying. Yes you’re right, it can seem confusing for that very reason.
…I did mention that to my oncologists but maybe they missed that too? I really don’t know what to think atm. Because when I asked them and wanted clarification, I remember my main doc, her saying along the lines of “16+ booster for after completing the primary series. ‘Primary series’ falls under eua according to their statement (specifically the 2nd body, 1st sentence where it says available for 5+ under eua as two-dose “primary series”) from what I can tell”.
I do however get what you’re alluding to with the 1st body. Maybe I can pop by and re-mention again for the sake of clarity but when I mentioned the judge in the US thats pressing this (for the same reason aka clarity/confusion), she said it’s correct as far as she knows.
Thanks for your time and putting up with me
Oh my god, reading the last few pages has been torture.
In all seriousness, can this guy be thread banned? This isn’t a Messi vs Ronaldo debate, there are lies being spouted which may stop other individuals from getting a life saving vaccine.
He’s received a very good education today outside of his own echo chamber. I don’t think he should be thread banned just yet, personally.
I think for some on here it might be worth a friendly reminder of the thread title:
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
Had my Moderna booster yesterday and have woken up with a dull but uncomfortable pain in the left hand side of my chest, just under my left nipple. Gets worse when I breath in. Could have just slept funny I guess but my minds racing.
They prepared a Delta tweaked one but it looks like it isn't neccesary especially given Omicron and that may or may not need a tweaked vaccine. The third shot seems to provide 98% protection against severe disease.
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Pulled out of our works Christmas party this Friday. Instead of a large company bash it had been decided that it would be better to have smaller get togethers and stay in our teams.
In the current situation it seems too risky for me. As the manager I feel like I’m letting them down a bit. I’m not stopping or judging the rest of the team for going ahead but I’m not comfortable with it.
In the current situation it seems too risky for me. As the manager I feel like I’m letting them down a bit. I’m not stopping or judging the rest of the team for going ahead but I’m not comfortable with it.
I imagine it will give some people in your team the confidence to drop out as well if they are like you and do not feel comfortable.
On the reddit sub HermanCainAward, Candace is known as "Candeath". She regularly appears in the FaceBook posts of the anti-vaxxers just before they get Covid, demand horse dewormer and then succumb.
I recommend that sub to @CanadianUtd, it's very educational. It shows how mass delusion is killing people (clue - it's not the vaccinated who are dying).
Judgement – It is clear that the root cause of this pandemic of conflicting opinions is democratic principles itself. In a totalitarian state there would be no dissidents. Freedom of speech has come home to roost. 500 years ago, it was Church vs State vs Science. Now it is Science and State vs Science and State. The public opinion is drawn from these battlelines, which have never been broadcasted freely. We are seeing civilization eating itself. To quote my friend Orwell, “Freedom is slavery.” I find democratic values guilty on all charges and sentence it, verbless.
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Prosecutor: I put it to you, Scientist, that it was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Scientist: I reject that, sir. Scientists have always disagreed on what is "the truth". We just usually disagree in scientific journals. Through experiment and theory, we seek to prove and disprove. Unfortunately, some scientists used the media this time around. Or rather, the media used some scientists to drive an agenda. And the subject matter is fairly straightforward – not quantum theory – so the media and the public can contribute to “the truth”.
Prosecutor: I put it to you, Media, that it was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Media: That’s absurd. We report on what is topical and in the public’s interest. We merely present different arguments objectively. Well, most of us do. The point is that we are giving the public what they want. We are not forcing anyone to read the article. Be that as it may, we are interviewing the Scientist. A person with clout and academic achievement. We have journalistic integrity. Yes! Scoff at that if you want to, but that is what we were taught. Objectivity is out field of expertise. If anyone is to blame then it is Social Media, where anyone can post ridiculous opinions.
Prosecutor: I put it to you, Social Media, that is was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Social Media: The “western” concept of freedom is based on free speech. Everyone is allowed to form an opinion and I am just the facilitator of this basic right. If anyone is to blame it is this western delusion that everyone has this silly right to begin with. IQ isn’t empirical, but the average global IQ is 100 for goodness sake. Half of everyone are dimwits. Who ever thought it was a good idea that they should be free to say what they like? Power to the people? Democratic values? Bah!
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Prosecutor: I put it to you, Scientist, that it was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Scientist: I reject that, sir. Scientists have always disagreed on what is "the truth". We just usually disagree in scientific journals. Through experiment and theory, we seek to prove and disprove. Unfortunately, some scientists used the media this time around. Or rather, the media used some scientists to drive an agenda. And the subject matter is fairly straightforward – not quantum theory – so the media and the public can contribute to “the truth”.
Prosecutor: I put it to you, Media, that it was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Media: That’s absurd. We report on what is topical and in the public’s interest. We merely present different arguments objectively. Well, most of us do. The point is that we are giving the public what they want. We are not forcing anyone to read the article. Be that as it may, we are interviewing the Scientist. A person with clout and academic achievement. We have journalistic integrity. Yes! Scoff at that if you want to, but that is what we were taught. Objectivity is out field of expertise. If anyone is to blame then it is Social Media, where anyone can post ridiculous opinions.
Prosecutor: I put it to you, Social Media, that is was YOU who caused the divide in public opinion!
Social Media: The “western” concept of freedom is based on free speech. Everyone is allowed to form an opinion and I am just the facilitator of this basic right. If anyone is to blame it is this western delusion that everyone has this silly right to begin with. IQ isn’t empirical, but the average global IQ is 100 for goodness sake. Half of everyone are dimwits. Who ever thought it was a good idea that they should be free to say what they like? Power to the people? Democratic values? Bah!
Muscle pain the following day is quite common. The location is more likely to be because your mind's racing than anything else. That said - don't exercise through it or run through it, that doesn't help, whatever it is. Generally speaking, your body wants a bit of a timeout to work on this infection that keeps coming back. A quiet day and a paracetamol or an ibuprofen is more help.
Hopefully you'll start feeling better tomorrow.
One dropped out straight after I did. The other 6 are going ahead and have joined up with the stragglers from the other lab. 10 of them in all.
To me it seems silly, although I haven’t said as such. I’m just writing them their cards and am putting some money in each of them for them to spend, I do want them to have a good time but I’m having Christmas dinner with my two very elderly aunties this year and can’t see the point in risking passing them anything.
We run PCR tests at our facility for all staff 3 x per week and are running a test before everyone goes out for this meal but it surprises me when I’m hearing some very intelligent and well educated people saying ‘we’ll have had a test so we’ll know if we’re ok to go out’. Ok, so they may not be passing each other covid, but what’s to stop them catching it while out?
Thanks. I won’t be exercising through it, been a rough week, I had a large gluten flare up last week (I have Celiac disease), my flu jab and now this and I feel like a 100 year old shipwreck
Burn him
Yup. He wasted my time.
The FDA fully approved the Pfizer vaccine in August 2021. That's their press release on it. That approval applies for anyone over 16 and following the two-dose regimen, i.e. aligning with the primary population and regimen of the trial.
Until that point it was operating under an EUA for that same population in December 2020. They have separately given new EUAs for a booser dose, and for children, i.e. a secondary population or a different regimen to the trial.
The FDA draws a very clear distinction betwen Pfizer's status and other vaccine statuses in that press release, and if you read through it explains the distinction between the two.
It's mostly about the breadth of data supplied to meet specific requirements. Pfizer have supplied it. They are unequivocally fully approved for that two-dose regimen in people over 16, the EUA has been superseded. Anyone telling you otherwise genuinely does not have sufficient knowledge of the facts freely available on the subject.
Another one bites the dust.
Just a word on how close we got to riding out Delta in the UK.
Hospitalisations were falling. Deaths were falling but more slowly. We got so close to making it through Christmas and into the flu season without it all falling apart.
Then at the start of December you start to see that first glimmer of Omicron kicking in and stalling progress in some agegoups, pushing them up in others.
Edited: fixed the timeline typo in my comments!
Hospitalisations were falling. Deaths were falling but more slowly. We got so close to making it through Christmas and into the flu season without it all falling apart.
Then at the start of December you start to see that first glimmer of Omicron kicking in and stalling progress in some agegoups, pushing them up in others.
Edited: fixed the timeline typo in my comments!
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Omicron is moving fast. It's already the biggest group of cases in London and rising elsewhere (effectively a few days behind the rise in London). Currently it's mostly showing as a massive increase in cases in 20-30 group.
Log graph so you can see the growth more easily (otherwise it just looks like a nearly zero line followed by a sudden wall of new cases)
Nationally trend is showing that cases had started to fall in school age kids and their parents, but the jump in cases in the 20+ group (probably mostly Omicron related) has been very fast:
Boosters helping cases to fall rapidly in older age groups. How much of that will be able to hold onto as Omicron cases rise is one of the great unknowns.
Log graph so you can see the growth more easily (otherwise it just looks like a nearly zero line followed by a sudden wall of new cases)
Nationally trend is showing that cases had started to fall in school age kids and their parents, but the jump in cases in the 20+ group (probably mostly Omicron related) has been very fast:
Boosters helping cases to fall rapidly in older age groups. How much of that will be able to hold onto as Omicron cases rise is one of the great unknowns.
I doubt it. He/She does need to sleep?
I had the same logic from our H&S team. Very diligent team (most of them) and we used to work alongside them, so got included in their Christmas do. I pulled out as I'm already having to travel to another site for a visit Thursday & Friday and didn't want to increase my risk even further. This enabled two of my staff who were going to also pull out. The H&S team all had the same logic 'we will all do tests, it'll be fine'. Seeming to forget the rest of the public and patrons that they'll encounter.
Hospitalisations go down, celebrate the booster. Hospitalisations go up, blame the unvaccinated.
Are you worried about the risk to yourself or the risk of spreading it? If you take a test in the morning and are negative, are you worried about catching it at some point in the day, and then for the virus to multiply at such a rate that you're infectious later in the day?
You have to look at the individuals being hospitalised. In the UK, it's split roughly 50:50 under 60 to over 60. Almost all over 60s in the UK are vaxxed - and hospitalisations in this group are falling, or at least they were until Omicron arrived.
Almost all the under 60s who get hospitalised in the UK are unvaxxed. Most people currently in UK ICUs are unvaxxed, despite being them being a minority of the population.
That's just a fact of life, and death - not a matter for celebration.
The feck are you talking about? I know you’re just trying to WUM but there must be a way to do that without coming across as an idiot?
What? Who said the Christmas do was today? It would have been the weekend just gone.
Edit: Just seen your other post, you're a bit of an idiot, I get it now.
Almost every single person with severe enough Covid requiring level 2/3 care (HDU/ICU) in my hospital at the moment are unvaccinated. Almost exclusively those who are dying from it are unvaccinated. The ones who do have it and are vaccinated are usually either incredibly unlucky (ie they're immunosuppressed due to other factors) or are in for other reasons but happen to be covid positive.
All of the above presents issues with cohorting patients, which in turn will have an impact on decision making for escalating patients care (or not being able to provide that care for some), hospital resources and to be totally frank, staff burnout, morale and fatigue.
I'm nowhere near as aggressive as some on here regarding the unvaccinated. I happen to think in the UK at least and across much of Europe we have an incredibly high vaccine uptake and see that as a cause to be celebrated, rather than something to head bang about for the last 10-15%. Humans are not homogenous and we never have been. To expect pretty much 100% uptake on anything is incredibly unlikely. Nor am I particularly keen to enact some of the draconian measures some seem so keen on for the unvaxxed. I'd say most who are unvaxxed now do not fall into the anti-vaxxer nutter territory and trying to exclude them totally from society is probably not the way to go.
However, it is an unfortunate fact that this tiny proportion of unvaccinated take up a hugely disproportionate amount of hospital resources at present and affect others' care. Patience is wearing thin.
So I'm meant to be getting my booster tomorrow. Going to have to cancel, my eldest has covid, no symptoms. It's running amok at her high school, which has been the best advertisement for vaccination I've seen, they all got their first dose last month. Of the friends of my daughter, the kids that didn't get vaccinated( 4 of them) seem to be suffering terribly. The rest of her friends that did the worse they seem to have so far is a bit of a snuffly nose with the odd one.
The Mrs and I keep testing negative. We will though have to cancel our booster appointment, god knows when we'll get another one. Daughters isolation ends on Christmas eve.
The Mrs and I keep testing negative. We will though have to cancel our booster appointment, god knows when we'll get another one. Daughters isolation ends on Christmas eve.
I thought fullfact.org had dealt with the misinformation that the majority of those hospitalised are unvaccinated? https://fullfact.org/health/economist-vaccination-status/
Do you think so?
My experience is the opposite. Almost everybody I know who is unvaxxed is on Facebook posting memes and will go off on one about it all at the drop of a hat. The ones who were just a little unsure are now satisfied after x billion doses it's not going to kill them and have rolled their sleeve up. That's why I'm more than happy to see Europe ratcheting up the pressure on people to get the vaccine.
Still more likely to be hospitalised with Covid if you're un-vaccinated though.
Hospitalised does not equal ICU admission.