SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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Just read it on the news.

I'll find it again.



BBC NEws

Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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BRITS will not be told to return to shielding, Chris Whitty confirmed tonight - but urged all vulnerable to get three jabs AND a booster.

The Chief Medical Officer updated vulnerable people tonight, but told them they should not return to staying inside at the moment, despite the huge spread of omicron.

He appeared alongside Boris Johnson at a press conference this evening, where the pair urged everyone to come forward and get boosted now to have the best chance of fighting the new mutant variant, which is spreading like wildfire.

Professor Whitty told the nation tonight: "shielding came with some very serious downsides for the people involved - including loneliness and mental health issues, practical problems.

"So it's not an area we want to go down if there's any way of avoiding doing so.

"But there is a lot of things we need to be doing for the clinical vulnerable and they include for people who are immunosuppressed.

"Hopefully, most people who are in that situation know that they should get three doses of vaccine as their primary course.

"And then subsequently, they should get a booster on top of that.

"So they should have four doses in comparison to the rest of the population.

"And then we'll be wanting to look at in terms of antiviral drugs, and how we best can use them in this group of people who are particularly high risk."
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Pogue Mahone said:
Surely not? Where did you hear that?
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It's likely to be a policy for the immune suppressed and clinically extremely vulnerable - broadly the group they're describing as getting "dose 3" rather than a booster.

Some of those are going to get a recommendation to go for a booster/fourth dose in the next couple of months.
 
Just to post again from BBC news re 4 jabs comment from Whitty



Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
 
choccy77 said:
Just to post again from BBC news re 4 jabs comment from Whitty



Prof Whitty, answering a question about shielding, says the government doesn't want to make the most vulnerable people do this again - unless it's absolutely necessary.

He reminds them they should get four doses - rather than three - of a coronavirus vaccine, wherever possible.
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So only the most vulnerable people; immuno-compromised etc., and not everyone.
 
calodo2003 said:
Who is Professor Whitty, similar to our Dr. Fauci?
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"Professor Chris Whitty is Chief Medical Officer (CMO) for England, the UK government's Chief Medical Adviser and head of the public health profession."

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/christopher-whitty

So more like Theresa Tam in Canada than Anthony Fauci in the US in terms of their govenrment function; but they're all the national/federal face of public health for COVID-19.
 
choccy77 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
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I wouldn’t say ignoring it… Lockdown requires consent from the majority of the population to work, unless if you want to go all brutal and military. So most likely scenario is that you have all the scientist presenting data that makes people come to the conclusion that lockdown is the solution, the man in charge saying that won’t happen..

Kind of like putting vegetables with the sweets and telling children not to eat the vegetables
 
africanspur said:
Almost every single person with severe enough Covid requiring level 2/3 care (HDU/ICU) in my hospital at the moment are unvaccinated. Almost exclusively those who are dying from it are unvaccinated. The ones who do have it and are vaccinated are usually either incredibly unlucky (ie they're immunosuppressed due to other factors) or are in for other reasons but happen to be covid positive.

All of the above presents issues with cohorting patients, which in turn will have an impact on decision making for escalating patients care (or not being able to provide that care for some), hospital resources and to be totally frank, staff burnout, morale and fatigue.

I'm nowhere near as aggressive as some on here regarding the unvaccinated. I happen to think in the UK at least and across much of Europe we have an incredibly high vaccine uptake and see that as a cause to be celebrated, rather than something to head bang about for the last 10-15%. Humans are not homogenous and we never have been. To expect pretty much 100% uptake on anything is incredibly unlikely. Nor am I particularly keen to enact some of the draconian measures some seem so keen on for the unvaxxed. I'd say most who are unvaxxed now do not fall into the anti-vaxxer nutter territory and trying to exclude them totally from society is probably not the way to go.

However, it is an unfortunate fact that this tiny proportion of unvaccinated take up a hugely disproportionate amount of hospital resources at present and affect others' care. Patience is wearing thin.
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Here in Australia 90% of Victorians are vaccinated and 91% of those admitted to ICU weren't (88% hadn't even had 1 shot).
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
I wouldn’t say ignoring it… Lockdown requires consent from the majority of the population to work, unless if you want to go all brutal and military. So most likely scenario is that you have all the scientist presenting data that makes people come to the conclusion that lockdown is the solution, the man in charge saying that won’t happen..

Kind of like putting vegetables with the sweets and telling children not to eat the vegetables
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Well, he is running out of ways of having a lockdown.

He says he doesn't want a pingdemic, which would force people to stay home, he has scrapped the 10 day isolation and he say's there won't be a lockdown, so i'm not sure what in theory he is trying to do, because i'm sure that the scientists' will want a lockdown and it will be necessary, unless, they believe herd immunity is now okay, as they have vaccines to reduce deaths, but not illness.
 
Regarding 3rd dose + booster, has been guideance from JCVI, CDC

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ose-vaccination-for-severely-immunosuppressed
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html

Nearly half of organ transplant patients + those of high dose immunosuppresants were unfortunately found to have very low levels of antibodies post two doses of covid vaccines, but improved with 3rd - with ongoing larger scale trials regarding efficacy.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2111462
 
choccy77 said:
I was referring more to Victorian's (from Victorian age) rather than Aussie Victorians.

Hopefully, deaths for you are limited.
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I know. I was joking. And they are called Victorian's BTW.

Deaths are continuing and will do so as we open up but the very high vaccination rates and hopefully booster rates will help.

So far we gave had just over 2000 deaths in 2020/2021 from a population of just over 25 million.
 
choccy77 said:
Well, he is running out of ways of having a lockdown.

He says he doesn't want a pingdemic, which would force people to stay home, he has scrapped the 10 day isolation and he say's there won't be a lockdown, so i'm not sure what in theory he is trying to do, because i'm sure that the scientists' will want a lockdown and it will be necessary, unless, they believe herd immunity is now okay, as they have vaccines to reduce deaths, but not illness.
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It’s really no different to the 3 previous national lockdowns.

2 weeks before lockdown 1 he said there was a 0% chance of a lockdown in this country, that’s actually when I thought ok we’re gonna have a lockdown.

Same with the one in November, came after weeks of Boris, apparently, not wanting a lockdown and ignoring the data, and similar with the early Jan lockdown.

The first one you could say ok he didn’t want it but then had a change of mind, either incompetence or at first thought more people would voluntarily lockdown.

But once it becomes a pattern you realise it’s a strategy. Also all lockdowns get announced after something along the lines of #lockdownUKnow trends massively on Twitter.

The first one in March 2020 there was warm sunny weather, and lots of people went to beaches/parks etc was all over the news. Twitter went wild that weekend. Then on the Monday he made the “you must stay at home except for “ announcement.
 
choccy77 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris is ignoring all the advice so that he can say I gave you all a Christmas as promised, then in early January, he will lockdown.

He has been adamant that he won't lockdown over this Christmas. But at what cost?
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His job
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
It’s really no different to the 3 previous national lockdowns.

2 weeks before lockdown 1 he said there was a 0% chance of a lockdown in this country, that’s actually when I thought ok we’re gonna have a lockdown.

Same with the one in November, came after weeks of Boris, apparently, not wanting a lockdown and ignoring the data, and similar with the early Jan lockdown.

The first one you could say ok he didn’t want it but then had a change of mind, either incompetence or at first thought more people would voluntarily lockdown.

But once it becomes a pattern you realise it’s a strategy. Also all lockdowns get announced after something along the lines of #lockdownUKnow trends massively on Twitter.

The first one in March 2020 there was warm sunny weather, and lots of people went to beaches/parks etc was all over the news. Twitter went wild that weekend. Then on the Monday he made the “you must stay at home except for “ announcement.
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I totally understand and agree, but this time, I think he is gonna do this differently, because he is on such a thin rope now and he will have a challenge for leadership no doubt as a result.

He has lied at every turn whether it's Lockdowns or Parties and there is no trust in him , which is the biggest issue ultimately.
 
Heard Chris Whitty on the radio saying that there's genuine fears that the NHS may be overwhelmed - but that obviously they'll take steps to try to prevent that happening. The presenter asked if decisions would have to be made on who received treatment and who didn't and Whitty said 'well, if it was overwhelmed, then sadly yes'.

I remember reading the guidelines a while back, and the current triage decisions are made almost solely on age, right?

Anyone think that's...unfair? I know it's a near impossible situation, but at this stage people have had a long, long time to get vaccinated. I'd find it much more palatable to tell an unvaccinated 35 year old 'go home and good luck with your decision' than to tell a 70 year old who's triple vaccinated - been fully on board with the social contract - that they wouldn't be receiving treatment.
 
I would be amazed if there aren't further restrictions put in place before christmas.
 
Bwuk said:
I would be amazed if there aren't further restrictions put in place before christmas.
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Absolutely, although Johnson is going to die on the sword of Christmas this year and slay it. I currently have friends whom I thought sensible that are spouting this “it’s mild disease” rubbish from SA as a reason just to carry on and let it run riot. It seems they don’t have the logic to comprehend that if it really is as transmissible as it seems, then it doesn’t matter if it’s 4x less deadly because hospitals will still get overrun and public services will have to shut down because of the amount of isolations. Then people can’t get to work anyway.

I can honestly see a January “circuit breaker” happening - I think they will try to avoid another three month lockdown like the other two.
 
arnie_ni said:
Shared on fb and liked by someone I follow:

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There are two Nobel Peace Prize winners and one nominee on this list.

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Copied and pasted it and I don't see my GPS name on there but he did tell me its a political and economic problem not a health problem??"
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Kary Mullis died in 2019. How are anti-vaxxers trying to use him ?
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Kary Mullis died in 2019. How are anti-vaxxers trying to use him ?
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It's just copy and paste nonsense. None of the people posting that sort of garbage know who any of them are.

You could put Dr Bwuk Redcafe in there and no-one would pick it up.
 
On Sky News tonight

I have never been more concerned that I am tonight' - WHO special envoy
Dr David Nabarro, special envoy on COVID-19, is providing an update from the World Health Organisation on the Omicron variant.


Speaking to Sky News, he said: "We're concerned that people are dismissing Omicron as mild. Even if Omicron does cause less severe disease the sheer number of cases will once again overwhelm health systems.

Dr Nabarro insisted this is a "very serious situation," adding "today is just the beginning of an extraordinary acceleration".

He said this is an "emergency situation" for the NHS which will get "extremely serious" within the next two weeks - "perhaps quicker".

Dr Nabarro added he has "never been more concerned that I am tonight" at any other point in the pandemic.
 
Only sensible way to try and minimise this is with a 3 week lockdown, but it will never happen now.

France have said, vaccinations are mandatory tonight.
 
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