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Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done
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I wasnt talking about the owners, but rather the fans after a few trophies. Even if we start winning things, i dont think i will care too much. My interest will faze out over the years.
The biggest difference between City, PSG and even Chelsea and us is we arent as small as they were when the sugar daddys took over. Their fans didnt taste a lot of glory as they do now. We are still one of the biggest clubs overall and one of the biggest spenders. We won the right way, both on and off the pitch. Most of our fans witnessed the domination under Fergie. It may take a while to be back on top on the pitch currently, but i would enjoy it 50 times more than winning something with these cnuts. I know that it will happen anyway, so best to start thinking what to do.
It may become life and death with Saudi owners
I think I understand what you getting at and you are right. It's not cool but truth be told I'd really like us to return to the summit of the European game and it looks like that will never happen under the Glazers so what are the alternatives in your opinion?
Well these takeover rumours seem to surface all the time and so far there has always been no fire!
The big difference this time is that club officials have been out in Saudi Arabia so it's either sponsorship (most likely), selling shares or full takeover
Ah understood now. Yes, hard to disagree with that. At some point, artificially inflated success will feel boring/meaningless.
But United wouldnt need a blank cheque every year and don't even need the new owner to pay off the debt. I'd assume that if the owners spent £400m on the squad in the first year, the club generates enough revenues to sustain a £150m net spend needed to maintain the squad.
What the Glazers would demand to walk away and what would be needed to make the club competitive again makes impossible for someone motivated by profit to see this as a worthwhile venture.
If there is no substance to these rumours, why are Saudi journalists alluding to the fact of a buyout? I'm not saying it's official but something in it. We know how controlled the media is out of SA.
Also, stand to be corrected here, as there have been no reporting of a buyout from the UK journalists, I've also not seen any denials from them.
Also, stand to be corrected here, as there have been no reporting of a buyout from the UK journalists, I've also not seen any denials from them.
I think they were there last year as well? But like someone said earlier, there was an economic summit or such over there and l think loads of business folk were over there the last few days.
I don't think FFP allows the spend of 400m as you're suggesting. Unless the new owner goes the route of City etc by getting artificial sponsorships. Which would probably be difficult anyway as our current sponsors already pay huge amounts.
I get where you are coming from but the cost of the Glazer ownership with regard to debt, lack of ambition and general incompetence wasn't a necessary burden. Our decline was not natural but self inflicted and the longer we continue on this trajectory the more difficult it will be to work our way back to the top.
The sad thing is that the only people who can afford to rid the club of this deleterious ownership are these types of people. People who are not only rich enough to buy it but have the motivation to do so.
Which one?
There’s a new US Government ever 4/8 years. They’ve been varying degrees of bad. Some worse, some
The alternative IMO is the Glazer's replace Woodward with someone competent.
We've spent £800m since Fergie retired.
We've consistently had the highest or top highest wage bill in the league since Fergie left.
We're on our 4th permanent manager since Fergie left.
We've replaced almost the entire back team two or three times since Fergie left.
We have just two first team players left in the squad that were first team players when Fergie retired.
The only real constant here is Woodward who has overseen the £800m outlay, the wage bill, the hiring and firing of managers and the restructuring of the footballing setup.
Now we can moan as much as we want about the Glazers but they have given Woodward every single resource he could possibly need for us to be challenging for league titles and getting deep into the champions league.
We could keep the Glazers and replace Woodward and be in a much, much stronger position without becoming the oil doped club we all detest.
But Bezo would probably run the club ruthlessly -- sacking managers every other quarter, marketing the hell out of the Brand, making out current Woodward strategy of 64 marketing partners seem like some mom& pop approach.
I rather have Buffett or Gates. Bezo would really make United at a new commercial exploitation level.
Quite a few rumblings lately, and with one of the Glazer family wanting to sell, maybe has started a small fire.
He owns the Washington Post as well and hasn’t done any of the above there.
I will guarantee you next month, end of the season etc that the glazers will still own Utd. Do you really think some small-time Twitter user will announce it first, I'm sure the stock exchange etc etc will be happy with that !
Obviously they will cook the books, if it was the Saudis then I am sure they will get one of their firms to sign us on a ridiculous shirt deal and our reach as a club justifies practically any figure.
But my argument wasn't specifically on the £400m figure, that's just an of the cuff estimate, but more on the fact that our club doesn't yearly cash injections from the owners beyond the first infusion. For example, if we add five top players next summer we arent going to need much more because we already have five or six key players that can be part of a title winning side.
My biggest misgiving with them has been their inability to make him account for those failures or at least force him to make the changes that would make us more effective in the transfer market and on the pitch.
Even if no money changed hands, no contracts were signed? just an agreement?
As I said dunno if it's true or not and quite frankly I don't care.
To dismiss the person because you don't know them though... Eh.
It's fair to say SA don't play by the rules.
This thread just shows how purchasing United would be a great way for the Saudis to launder their reputation. Suddenly people not willing to criticise their medical values because it might hurt their favourite football team, honestly disgusting.
Ok that's a fair point.
Nail on the head! So many complaints about how the Glazers are not good owners but when have the match going fans ever boycotted the big games where the world is watching for the news to become the talk of the universe? Nope instead they applaud failures like Moyes and Glazer puppets like Ole despite being out of their debts . Yes he is because he will never protest against them like Mou did and they love that complicity.
Next thing I will hear is that 'we are not like Real Madrid fans'. Of course! That is why they are the biggest club in the world with exceedingly high standards.
The salvation of this club from the Glazers nets LIE IN THE HANDS OF MATCH GOING FANS solely. Not Twitter, not Instagram, Not failure to purchase Merchandise, Not Manchester United Evening news, not letters to sponsors. As long as Old Trafford keeps experiencing bumper attendances, the Glazers will always smile to the bank irrespective of how much protests are done on social media with sponsors tagged.
Boycott the damn games especially the biggest ones. Stop turning up at Old Trafford regularly. Don't give them season tickets money. Watch from home. You will not die if you do that and see things change. The matchgoing fans are the ones who have the power to kick the American twats out.
I'm going to be honest. I'm pretty indifferent about it.
Winter is coming.
That exactly why i don't want them at OT
So what you’ve just said isn’t selective outrage against Muslims ? Everyone is just going around in circles here! There’s serious atrocities done by literally every nation/ethnicity, where do we draw the line before it goes too far ? This is turning into a toxic prejudice thread!
Things will work this way. Protesys will be made. Then Sir Alex will come out telling fans to zip it. That will put the top reds in place. Then the Saudi's will buy plenty of shiny toys and they will put the transfer muppets in place as well
WTF is this?
And that’s all it is, doing what they normally do and people manufacturing false rumours of a takeover.
Some posts from a nobody on LinkedIn and people getting excited about a regime like Saudi’s taking over. The Glazers will be here for a while yet.
I was pointing out the irony of the poster I quoted talking about selective outrage and then being selective. Yes, these kind of things will go around in circles as you said and hence I am not bothering to actively participate. Track record of Saudis is really awful and worse part is, quite likely they are doing it PR exercise, which should be a concern as United fan.
Very good points. I said earlier in the thread if the Saudis coming in gets rid of Ed (not the glazers) then I'd be for it. Probably a slight exaggeration but everything points to Ed why we're in this situation and while he's in charge nothing is going to change. It's all down to him why the club is being run into the ground.
If we do bring in someone competent then that would be the perfect scenario. I still want the Glazers to go but they aren't the main problem. While Ed still holds the reigns I would think of other alternatives of ownership if that was the only way to get him out of his position.
So still no actual news
It’s already here. It’s fecking freezing outside!
Also I think Saudi Arabia’s winter is our summer
Really not sure. Not many, or if any of the UK journalists have reported anything. Silence is just as deafening.
"Not sure if true" - not from a reliable source
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