Scores die in Israeli air strikes

For all you anti-Israel posters, what should have been Israel's right response to Hamas' one sided breaking of the cease-fire?
 
the idea that either the Israelis or the Palestinians have to be villains in this mess only proves that the propaganda of whichever side is working.....

the only way a 'peace' can be brokered is if the muslim countries in the region, European countries...probably NATO and the US are directly involved in any negotiations...and remain engaged.
 
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...The cabinet was also told that Israel had knocked out an estimated 50 percent of Hamas's underground rocket launching capacity on Saturday, but that the organization still retained a significant arsenal of short-and long-range missiles.

...Ashkenazi said that most of the Palestinians' 230-250 casualties on Saturday were uniformed, armed Hamas personnel.
 
Mihajlovic said:
...The cabinet was also told that Israel had knocked out an estimated 50 percent of Hamas's underground rocket launching capacity on Saturday, but that the organization still retained a significant arsenal of short-and long-range missiles.

...Ashkenazi said that most of the Palestinians' 230-250 casualties on Saturday were uniformed, armed Hamas personnel.
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They killed the police force, which doesn't make sense as Israel wants Hamas to police the territory
 
Mozza said:
Yes, just like the did for the previous 6 month period
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Well we've just witnessed how much Hamas really cares about negotiated agreements. What on earth were they thinking in the first place when they started firing rockets again? What did they expect?!
 
Mihajlovic said:
Well we've just witnessed how much Hamas really cares about negotiated agreements. What on earth were they thinking in the first place when they started firing rockets again? What did they expect?!
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They were thinking they hadn't seen much change for the people of Gaza despite the ceasefire, the blockade continued, the slow starvation of 1.5 million people continued
 
Mozza said:
They were thinking they hadn't seen much change for the people of Gaza despite the ceasefire, the blockade continued, the slow starvation of 1.5 million people continued
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Bollox. They want to destroy Israel. The suffering of the Palestinians is Hamas's goal.
 
Mozza said:
They were thinking they hadn't seen much change for the people of Gaza despite the ceasefire, the blockade continued, the slow starvation of 1.5 million people continued
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Is the Egypt-Gaza borderline still controlled by Israel?
 
Fearless said:
No - Hamas are becoming very extinct at the moment
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That might be true. Of course, if you ever succeeded in actually destroying most of Hamas, all the collateral damage that resulted from it would no doubt grow yet another generation of Palestinians who have reason to hate Israel.

I don't really think you can destroy Hamas, but if you somehow did it, another similar organization would just pop up. Just take a look at what the US "war on Terror" has accomplished: feck all.
 
niMic said:
That might be true. Of course, if you ever succeeded in actually destroying most of Hamas, all the collateral damage that resulted from it would no doubt grow yet another generation of Palestinians who have reason to hate Israel.

I don't really think you can destroy Hamas, but if you somehow did it, another similar organization would just pop up. Just take a look at what the US "war on Terror" has accomplished: feck all.
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good post.
 
Those justifying attacks because Israel is defending it's people should remember this conflict did not start with rockets fired into Israel. The history behind this is way too deep.
 
niMic said:
That might be true. Of course, if you ever succeeded in actually destroying most of Hamas, all the collateral damage that resulted from it would no doubt grow yet another generation of Palestinians who have reason to hate Israel.

I don't really think you can destroy Hamas, but if you somehow did it, another similar organization would just pop up. Just take a look at what the US "war on Terror" has accomplished: feck all.
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Exactly!

This policy of Israel has not worked for 60 years.
 
Mihajlovic said:
Is the Egypt-Gaza borderline still controlled by Israel?
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No, but Egypt does what the US wants and what they want aligns with what Israel wants

Israel does not want a fully open border between Gaza and Egypt, that would be a loss of control, that would be unacceptable
 
Sultan said:
Those justifying attacks because Israel is defending it's people should remember this conflict did not start with rockets fired into Israel. The history behind this is way too deep.
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It's getting to the stage now, many years on from the start of the conflict, that there are not that many people alive who were around at the beginning. But of course people on both sides are brought up with the explicit aim of continuing the conflict. It's maybe a small point, but someone born now cannot claim to have been personally wronged by something that happened fifty years ago. They didn't exist back then.

Eventually there has to become a point when historical wrongs gradually become less significant than the present situation. Do you agree with this? I can see it is possible to argue that history shouldn't be diminished.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It's getting to the stage now, many years on from the start of the conflict, that there are not that many people alive who were around at the beginning. But of course people on both sides are brought up with the explicit aim of continuing the conflict. It's maybe a small point, but someone born now cannot claim to have been personally wronged by something that happened fifty years ago. They didn't exist back then.

Eventually there has to become a point when historical wrongs gradually become less significant than the present situation. Do you agree with this? I can see it is possible to argue that history shouldn't be diminished.
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But at what point do you make the cut off? 50 years? 30, 10, 5? The problem is history is passed down from generation to generation and the hate is cultivated, on both sides.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It's getting to the stage now, many years on from the start of the conflict, that there are not that many people alive who were around at the beginning. But of course people on both sides are brought up with the explicit aim of continuing the conflict. It's maybe a small point, but someone born now cannot claim to have been personally wronged by something that happened fifty years ago. They didn't exist back then.

Eventually there has to become a point when historical wrongs gradually become less significant than the present situation. Do you agree with this? I can see it is possible to argue that history shouldn't be diminished.
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Remember - the Palestinians are still under occupation, and not by choice. This is just not a historical problem, it's ongoing.
 
Like the terrorists it's no big deal killing defenceless hungry people.

Cowardice
 
GAngel said:
Israel's population and economy are too small to allow them to suffer mass casualties. therefore they fight the only way they can (from afar). Plus public perception is everything in israel and they have maintained a very healthy retal policy to keep there regional enemies in check.
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but they don't suffer mass causalties, they just inflict them. And they don't just fight from afar, ground invasions are very common.
 
Ultimately, Northern Ireland is a border conflict, resulting from a partition, involving only 2 neighbouring countries. Cyprus and Kashmir are other examples. These can be solved.

Israel, though, is an independent country that no one else in the region wants to exist and which is supported from afar by the world's most powerful nation. It has become much more than just a local or regional problem.
 
Sultan said:
Like the terrorists it's no big deal killing defenceless hungry people.

Cowardice
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I don't think the Israelis want to kill innocent people....the problem with Terrorism is terrorists hide among civilian populations who willingly or unwillingly give them cover....

I'm not condoning anything here....but how do you just not retaliate when rockets are raining down on your citizens?
 
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