Scottish / Irish Independance

Sinn Fein already calling for a vote on a united Ireland I think? *sigh*
 
Don't know. I've had great fun winding up my mate from the North during the Euros.
"Here, when are the illegally occupied counties playing?"

Would they come under the rule of our governement? If so, they're fecked because we can't handle 26 counties. Never mind 32
 
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...eland-reconsider-ties-uk-160624130431341.html

A second Scottish independence referendum is "highly likely" and should take place before Britain leaves the European Union, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said.
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Declan Kearney, Sinn Fein's national chairman, delivered a strongly worded statement after the referendum in which he said English voters had "dragged Northern Ireland out of the EU.

"English votes have overturned the democratic will of Northern Ireland."
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We love you Scotland and Ireland. Please remain European
 
Scotland is a big possibility after the exit but Irish reunification is impossible to envisage anytime soon due to the very realistic chance of violence if it went through. If a flag not being flown on certain days caused the reaction it did then what would actually leaving the union create? The policy in Ireland will be not to rock the boat for the considerable future. Although leaving the EU might inadvertently do that.
 
If I was Northern Irish, I'd vote leave.

Heck, if I lived in London, I'd vote leave.
 
I was passionately telling my Scotish friends to stay in the Union last time out.
Now, I would be telling them to leave. England has shifted to the right again and we are dragging the rest of them down with us.
 
I lived in Aberdeen at the time of the 1st referendum, though I didn't vote, as I didn't think it was my place to, as I wasn't born there and knew I wouldn't be there forever. I was leaning towards a Yes vote though, but everyone I know who was on the fence ended up voting No. If there was a 2nd indyref tomorrow, there'd be no fencesitters, I am certain. I think it'd be Yes by a landslide, if the negotiation was to leave the UK and join the EU.

Scotland has now faced a General Election and an EU Referendum where they voted entirely against what the final outcomes were in both. It's clear Scotland is on a very different political wavelength to England and Wales, and should rightly be allowed to leave. They just bottled the last indyref. The resurgence of the Yes campaign was very strong, but a little late in the game. It started out very weak IMO, and there was just too much uncertainty. There'd definitely be very little uncertainty now.
 
I can see Scotland having a referendum in the next two years, and this time they will vote to leave i reckon. And i don't blame them they have been voted out of the EU against their will by idiots.

Northern Ireland is much more complicated. We have so many numpties here that vote whichever way they are told that i don't see us voting to leave any time soon. With Ireland's economy likely to face some troubles over the next few years also i doubt it would be wise to push for a United Ireland or that they would even want the added complication of dealing with the North right now anyway.
 
This is such a mess it's incredible. Ireland can't afford to absorb the north. The unionists would implement some scorched earth stupidity if a vote passed. Border controls would be a disaster.

Historically, it would be great to have the north returned. Economically....absolute chaos.
 
stevoc said:
I can see Scotland having a referendum in the next two years, and this time they will vote to leave i reckon. And i don't blame them they have been voted out of the EU against their will by idiots.
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Even if you don't think the leavers are idiots, that's two elections where their collective voices have been totally ignored, seeing as they have a Tory government and no EU membership haha.
 
Adisa said:
I was passionately telling my Scotish friends to stay in the Union last time out.
Now, I would be telling them to leave. England has shifted to the right again and we are dragging the rest of them down with us.
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Agree with this. I was desperate to see Scotland commit to the UK and was delighted that they voted no. I imagine they feel quite betrayed right now.

Scotland is realistic, Northern Ireland simply isn't.
 
stevoc said:
I can see Scotland having a referendum in the next two years, and this time they will vote to leave i reckon. And i don't blame them they have been voted out of the EU against their will by idiots.

Northern Ireland is much more complicated. We have so many numpties here that vote whichever way they are told that i don't see us voting to leave any time soon. With Ireland's economy likely to face some troubles over the next few years also i doubt it would be wise to push for a United Ireland or that they would even want the added complication of dealing with the North right now anyway.
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The Northern Ireland border poll is strategic though. Northen Ireland may not vote to leave since everyone is a mess right now but after the voting closes the rule is that it has to be voted on again and again every 7 years.
That's the end game from Sinn Fein etc. Getting that into motion.
 
I was always anti-United Ireland but starting to reconsider now. Today was a real kick in the teeth.
 
does anybody know if spain can stop Scotland joining the eu ,as catalonia want to be separate as well.
 
redtilded121 said:
does anybody know if spain can stop Scotland joining the eu ,as catalonia want to be separate as well.
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They probably can, but probably wouldn't after this.

Lots of countries that have left non-eu countries have joined the EU.

We've fecked ourselves completely. Spain haven't done that.
 
Fener1907 said:
Agree with this. I was desperate to see Scotland commit to the UK and was delighted that they voted no. I imagine they feel quite betrayed right now.

Scotland is realistic, Northern Ireland simply isn't.
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Pretty much see that as well. I think Scotland leaving would be best for both parties. Northern Ireland is far far more complex and inflammatory.

@rcoobc

Last time I checked Spain had 1 in 5 unemployment rate and are one of the big reasons for the EU being the only continent in the world not to experience any growth in the last ten years.

Spain are fecked.
 
Living in Scotland all I'm hearing is outrage.

What annoys me is people can't accept we live in a democracy. The Scottish people voted against independence, and people still try to push for another Indyref.

Now in the wake of this, it's another huge push towards people wanting indyref2. We can't just say it's not fair because we didn't vote it, it was part of a UK wide vote which we chose to be a part of.

You can't demand a referendum everytime the vote goes against which you wanted.

This is coming from someone who was a remain voter. Sorry for any typos, my phones keyboard is being a bit dodgy!
 
Give them the second referendum and hopefully they don't bottle it this time. Clearly not on the same page as England/Wales and it'll be great to stop hearing that hag Sturgeon go on about it every other week.
 
Bwuk said:
Living in Scotland all I'm hearing is outrage.

What annoys me is people can't accept we live in a democracy. The Scottish people voted against independence, and people still try to push for another Indyref.

Now in the wake of this, it's another huge push towards people wanting indyref2. We can't just say it's not fair because we didn't vote it, it was part of a UK wide vote which we chose to be a part of.

You can't demand a referendum everytime the vote goes against which you wanted.

This is coming from someone who was a remain voter. Sorry for any typos, my phones keyboard is being a bit dodgy!
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The whole point of staying in the UK was on the proviso that we also stayed in the EU. Of course, after this stupendous decision, we'd want to back out.
 
Sigma said:
The whole point of staying in the UK was on the proviso that we also stayed in the EU. Of course, after this stupendous decision, we'd want to back out.
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People voted to stay as part of the U.K.

You don't know the reason everyone voted for it. I personally was a YES voter, although I think Sturgeon is a disgusting creature.
 
TheCorkman said:
This is such a mess it's incredible. Ireland can't afford to absorb the north. The unionists would implement some scorched earth stupidity if a vote passed. Border controls would be a disaster.

Historically, it would be great to have the north returned. Economically....absolute chaos.
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Pardon my ignorance but why it would be mess?

Like when Germany unified? West was more stronger economically than East ( It still is)
 
I imagine they'll have a second referendum and it will be a massive majority. They'll probably find a way to have Scotland just take the UKs place in the EU.
 
Bwuk said:
Living in Scotland all I'm hearing is outrage.

What annoys me is people can't accept we live in a democracy. The Scottish people voted against independence, and people still try to push for another Indyref.

Now in the wake of this, it's another huge push towards people wanting indyref2. We can't just say it's not fair because we didn't vote it, it was part of a UK wide vote which we chose to be a part of.

You can't demand a referendum everytime the vote goes against which you wanted.

This is coming from someone who was a remain voter. Sorry for any typos, my phones keyboard is being a bit dodgy!
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Most of the reasons they voted against independence is null and void after today. They deserve another referendum.
 
Unfortunately, I suspect many (if not all) Unionists in Northern Ireland would vote against one country even if it ultimately would make them economically better off.

The main Unionist party convinced almost half of the country to vote for Leave even though there was virtually zero economic benefit to that country as a whole. Moreover, they celebrated this result this morning.

It would be nice to see NI vote for what is best economically for themselves as opposed to anything else - be that to stay in the UK or not.
 
The Purist said:
Unfortunately, I suspect many (if not all) Unionists in Northern Ireland would vote against one country even if it ultimately would make them economically better off.

The main Unionist party convinced almost half of the country to vote for Leave even though there was virtually zero economic benefit to that country as a whole. Moreover, they celebrated this result this morning.

It would be nice to see NI vote for what is best economically for themselves as opposed to anything else - be that to stay in the UK or not.
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Not something I really want to get into, but agree nonetheless.
 
This got me to look at the GDP of Northern Ireland vs. the Republic.

Never realized how much lower the per capita GDP in NI was than in the ROI.
 
Xeno said:
Even if you don't think the leavers are idiots, that's two elections where their collective voices have been totally ignored, seeing as they have a Tory government and no EU membership haha.
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Yep they've been fecked over royally, many will have voted to stay part of the UK for fear of an independent Scotland not gaining entry to the EU. That went well.
 
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