Serbia vs England U21 - The Incident

Rather sad to see these type of things in the modern game. Hopefully something comes from it, but I'd guess another warning from fifa and a quick sweep under the carpet job is what will actually happen.
 
The got warned that they may face expulsion due to past crowd trouble. Add in the behaviour of the players and I can't see how they can't face expulsion. Someone needs to be made an example of, like we have been in the past.

Nothing will happen though, 100k fine and another slap on the wrist.
 
They had Clark Carlisle on BBC News this morning and I agree with every word he said.

They need a ban from International football and a warning that unless they get their house back in order it'll become permanent.

The fans behaviour was bad enough but for the players to compound it with their actions is taking the piss.
 
The only thing I can see coming out of this is a a poultry fine and a whole lot of concealment and blame shifting.

The attention given to this incident in the Serbian media is scant. It's already under the carpet.
 
Apparently it was coming from the players and staff as well which, if true, is a fecking disgrace. Obviously it's bad enough that the fans are doing it... but for those who are actually taking part in the game to be at it as well? And, judging from the video I've seen, the Serbia bench/staff did look like a box of twats.

The referee was a bit of an idiot during this as well. He can see a situation escalating in front of him, so what does he do? Send off a player for kicking a ball away... fecking wonderful common-sense right there.
 
Well they're not the best of losers, obviously, as for the racism, like a lot of Balkan and Eastern European nations, they don't feel they are doing anything wrong, that is their mentality, different from the mindsets over here - it surprises me that people still get surprised by it.

It will depend on what UEFA's ethos on all this is...remember Spain went through a period of their fans abusing non-white players, what happened to them ? anything ?

I rather think UEFA may take action against any proven individual transgression, I doubt they'll do any more than fine the Serbian "FA" a few dinars.....
 
Moonwalker said:
The only thing I can see coming out of this is a a poultry fine and a whole lot of concealment and blame shifting.

The attention given to this incident in the Serbian media is scant. It's already under the carpet.
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I reckon about 500,000 chickens should settle it, plus a lengthly ban.
 
It it a disgrace, but the thing that gets me the most is the referee. Can he not hear what's going on? even see the fact that several Serbian players raised hands to Rose?

yet in the end the only one punished is Rose for kicking a football.

This really beggars belief. How can he be punished for kicking a football yet the Serbians get away with actual slapping?

The fans are one thing and can be dealt with by Fifa but how the Referee can judge the situation the way he has can only be tantamount to racism in my eyes. (Unless the pictures shown do not rely the whole incident) but this seems strange.
 
It's shocking, but I don't think those involved in the FA have much ground to be overly critical, given their under-punishment of Terry and Suarez.
 
Disgraceful scenes. Wtf was the referee doing?

UEFA/FIFA need to take a more hard-line approach to incidents of racist abuse. The petty fines are useless and, in effect, by handing out such pathetic 'punishments', UEFA/FIFA are condoning these acts of racism by not taking them seriously enough.

They should have a system where the punishment progressively gets greater the more incidents of racism there are within a period of time. For example: a first incident of racist abuse leads to a fine (a real fine not a slap on the wrist), a second incident means the team plays a game with no crowd a third incident leads to deduction of points and a fourth incident a ban.

No more petty fines and that being the end of the matter, UEFA/FIFA need to take a more aggressive approach to stopping these incidents and ensuring teams/FAs know it will not be tolerated.
 
DFreshKing said:
It it a disgrace, but the thing that gets me the most is the referee. Can he not hear what's going on? even see the fact that several Serbian players raised hands to Rose?

yet in the end the only one punished is Rose for kicking a football.

This really beggars belief. How can he be punished for kicking a football yet the Serbians get away with actual slapping?

The fans are one thing and can be dealt with by Fifa but how the Referee can judge the situation the way he has can only be tantamount to racism in my eyes. (Unless the pictures shown do not rely the whole incident) but this seems strange.
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He was not only kicking the ball, he was provoking the Serbian fans before that, that's how it all began.

Not a justification for what happened after though, really ugly scenes...
 
evil_geko said:
He was not only kicking the ball, he was provoking the Serbian fans before that, that's how it all began.

Not a justification for what happened after though, really ugly scenes...
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In what way?

I saw him imitate their chants after he was already sent of but what did he get carded for if not the ball kicking?
 
Serb captain Jankovic post match “Apologise for what? It takes two to have a fight. You should be happy that England qualified.”"
 
Lynk said:
Serb captain Jankovic post match “Apologise for what? It takes two to have a fight. You should be happy that England qualified.”"
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He's the coach not the captain, which is even worse.
 
duffer said:
What was he doing?
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After England goal he came right to the east stand and was showing something with his hands in front of the Serbian crowd, couldn't see what exactly, even Sterling was trying to provoke at half time.
 
evil_geko said:
After England goal he came right to the east stand and was showing something with his hands in front of the Serbian crowd, couldn't see what exactly, even Sterling was trying to provoke at half time.
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Which if true would make monkey chanting perfectly understandable?
 
Moonwalker said:
Which if true would make monkey chanting perfectly understandable?
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Firstly, of course it's true, I was at the game, secondly, I said in my post before that that it does not justify those actions at the end of the game, I am just saying this because a lot happened that was not caught on camera.
 
Sunny Jim said:
The most shocking news is that Stuart Pearce is still in charge of England's U21.

On more serious note- these events were wrong on so many levels.
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I'm not a fan of Pearce but his record with the U21's is excellent.
 
So do we think England players were trying to provoke the crowd for no reason - which in turn caused racist chanting and a brawl - or that racist chanting from the crowd provoked England players?

Which seems more likely?
 
evil_geko said:
After England goal he came right to the east stand and was showing something with his hands in front of the Serbian crowd, couldn't see what exactly, even Sterling was trying to provoke at half time.
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So he was showing something, which you couldn't see, but he was definitely provoking. How can you say that, if you didn't see what he was doing?

He might have just been showing them the score?
 
What is the odds that the FA get a fine for failing to control their players.
 
evil_geko said:
Firstly, of course it's true, I was at the game, secondly, I said in my post before that that it does not justify those actions at the end of the game, I am just saying this because a lot happened that was not caught on camera.
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A lot of people who were apparently at the game didn't even hear the monkey chanting. Is it possible that you were there but didn't hear the specific abuse aimed at Rose, prior to his 'unforgivable' provocation?
 
What constitutes provoking by the way? Celebrating? Does Evra's "over" gesture constitute provoking the crowd? Does Gareth Bale's silly love heart thing?

If the crowd can't handle black players celebrating a goal without hurling missiles and chairs at them, then sorry, it should be closed doors from here on in until they learn.

Rather pathetic justification for an on pitch brawl, racist chanting and missiles on the pitch. "Yeah, but a couple of the players had the temerity to not be cowed by our macho bollocks. Plus they looked at us funny...And one of them did something with his hands!!"
 
evil_geko said:
So if he was showing the score, that would not be provoking? Why would he be showing anything? Go celebrate with your team ffs.
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Wow, Serbian fans are real uptight if an opposing player telling them the score. Makes it alright to make monkey chants and invade the pitch in an attempt to attack players/staff.

Not to mention, their players and coaches attacking Englands players and staff.
 
evil_geko said:
So if he was showing the score, that would not be provoking? Why would he be showing anything? Go celebrate with your team ffs.
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It would be slightly off to show them the score, possibly even provocative, but not worthy of racist monkey chanting as a retaliation.

I've seen players show fans the score after recieving abuse all game in england, it's resulted in a bit more abuse, but it's never resulted in racist chanting and brawls on the pitch!
 
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