Even if we weren't to get Aurier, I don't think TFM would get enough game time. Would love to be wrong though.
Serge Aurier | Spurs player
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I cannot tell with 100% certainty but I'm sure he would have had better chances and most importantly they would do their best to keep him
Didn't see this but I only scrolled back a few pages...
http://www.blamefootball.com/2017/08/02/serge-aurier-man-utd-contract-details-revealed/
http://www.blamefootball.com/2017/08/02/serge-aurier-man-utd-contract-details-revealed/
It's based of what ParisUnited broke yesterday regarding the player agreeing personal terms with us.
Aye, I had him pegged as a good crosser and general menace going forward since this match at the last WC:
and he's racked up plenty of assists, but then several of the French posters who presumably have seen much more of him than me have said his crossing is weak to average. Either way, he has so much raw talent that I'd love for us to take a punt on him.
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. How the feck can that be a decade ago already? I feel old He's a better RB than Valencia. His crossing is absolutely fantastic and is exactly what we've been crying out for. I love Valencia and everyone knows that when it comes to dominating opposition wingers he's the best but we need more than that if we want to compete at the top level. His final ball is poor and as soon as he gets past the halfway line his first thought is to pass the ball backwards. Full backs are now required to provide assists, contribute in the final third and link up with attackers. Aurier seems like the perfect fit. If the price is 25-30m it's a no brainer. We're not in a position to turn down improvements and RB is a position we would have to address sooner rather than later. I say get him in. People saying he has issues shouldn't forget that Mourinho has worked with Diego Costa and got the best of him so it shouldn't be a problem.
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Aurier was solid first choice at RB until that mistake. After that he was frozen out of the squad by Blanc and has not ever really got back into the team properly.
He's clearly very talented though, reminds me of Kyle Walker in the sense that he can practically kick and run it passed most opponents, but has great stamina to be able to recover defensively also.
He and Bailly together on the right side would be a warzone for the opposition
Cheers guy, it seems like ability wise he's not a much of a gamble then, only his attitude is holding him back
Don't think his crossing is that much better than Valencia. It's certainly not 'absolutely fantastic'. He's very similar to Valencia, they're like for like imo. Aurier's better in the air though and obviously younger. Both incredible physical specimens. Both have energy and will get forward even though their delivery accuracy is pretty average (though it's pretty much on par with most full backs, there aren't many who can cross like Marcelo). He's also an excellent tackler and has an advantage on Valencia in that regard for sure.
I think he's got great potential. He's made a few silly mistakes but reports of the assault make it sound a non-event. If this is a done deal I think he'd work well under Mourinho. Obviously Valencia has been fantastic in moving to right-back, but he'd free up wing options as well if Aurier came.
Another ban potentitally denying us another transfer?
Aurier's a beast. I trust Mou to keep him under control.
Any credible sources reporting this ?
Definitely keen to get him but I'm amazed at how quick people are to dismiss Valencia.
Aurier is a better crosser but that's a minor part of attacking. Valencia isn't a pleasing player aesthetically but he is significantly better at beating a man (30% better, according to WhoScored), is significantly less likely to be dispossessed (Aurier is dispossessed 1.2 times per game vs. 0.5 for Valencia), has a significant better first touch (Aurier has 1.4 "unsuccessful touches" vs. Valencia's 0.8 per game) and, in spite of Aurier's superior crossing, they make an equal amount of "key passes" per game (1.1).
What that all amounts to is Valencia being a much more reliable player in the build-up and a greater attacking threat 1 on 1. Aurier would need to have Dani Alves-esque passing and general creativity to be a more potent attacking threat, and that's obviously not the case.
Aurier is a better crosser but that's a minor part of attacking. Valencia isn't a pleasing player aesthetically but he is significantly better at beating a man (30% better, according to WhoScored), is significantly less likely to be dispossessed (Aurier is dispossessed 1.2 times per game vs. 0.5 for Valencia), has a significant better first touch (Aurier has 1.4 "unsuccessful touches" vs. Valencia's 0.8 per game) and, in spite of Aurier's superior crossing, they make an equal amount of "key passes" per game (1.1).
What that all amounts to is Valencia being a much more reliable player in the build-up and a greater attacking threat 1 on 1. Aurier would need to have Dani Alves-esque passing and general creativity to be a more potent attacking threat, and that's obviously not the case.
ParisUnited are supposedly reliable when it comes to PSG.
Isn't this guy a massive douchebag?
Don't think people are dismissing Valencia. Moreso about a great player being available at a great price. Also Valencia is getting older so would need to be replaced in next couple seasons anyway. It also gives us the option to play both Aurier and Valencia (on the wing) if we want which could be useful in certain games.
Would be an interesting move if it comes to fruition.
Could potentially help solve a few problems. Valencia was excellent last season and one of our most reliable and consistent performers at RB, however he is getting on in terms of age and when he loses his dynamism and physicality (hopefully not any time soon, as he does seem to be pretty professional in his approach) he'd lose a major part of his game and I see him going down the road of a Zabaleta rather than Alves for instance. Hopefully he does maintain his physicality just as Zanetti and Cafu did for example but we can never truly know when his physical and overall decline would begin.
Secondly, it's no secret how at times we struggle to stretch play in the final third, lack that consistent flair forward (Sanchez, Hazard, De Bruyne etc) who's capable of providing that constant threat or match winning brilliance, nor do we have the creative genius of a David Silva or Eriksen who can unlock defenses. Hopefully Rashford or Martial or Mkhitaryan can make that step up though.
Our wide forwards - Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard and Rashford - are precisely just that and love cutting inwards and prefer central areas. We do lack some proper wing threat or ability to stretch play in the final third. Now Valencia as a RW does appeal to me in that he could potentially open up space down the other flank for one of our wide forwards and Pogba/Herrera whilst serving to open up the field and create spaces with his dynamic wing play. Esp with Aurier in tow (do recall Rafael and Valencia being a decent pair or could be imagining it).
Naturally, I wouldn't expect great service akin to Beckham or Alves for that matter, but his wing play and runs down the flank could alleviate some burden from our forwards, provide better balance as opposed to two forwards 'just' looking to cut in and provide our forwards and midfielders with a better platform to work with. Could potentially be worth a shot, esp given our array of forwards.
Could potentially help solve a few problems. Valencia was excellent last season and one of our most reliable and consistent performers at RB, however he is getting on in terms of age and when he loses his dynamism and physicality (hopefully not any time soon, as he does seem to be pretty professional in his approach) he'd lose a major part of his game and I see him going down the road of a Zabaleta rather than Alves for instance. Hopefully he does maintain his physicality just as Zanetti and Cafu did for example but we can never truly know when his physical and overall decline would begin.
Secondly, it's no secret how at times we struggle to stretch play in the final third, lack that consistent flair forward (Sanchez, Hazard, De Bruyne etc) who's capable of providing that constant threat or match winning brilliance, nor do we have the creative genius of a David Silva or Eriksen who can unlock defenses. Hopefully Rashford or Martial or Mkhitaryan can make that step up though.
Our wide forwards - Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard and Rashford - are precisely just that and love cutting inwards and prefer central areas. We do lack some proper wing threat or ability to stretch play in the final third. Now Valencia as a RW does appeal to me in that he could potentially open up space down the other flank for one of our wide forwards and Pogba/Herrera whilst serving to open up the field and create spaces with his dynamic wing play. Esp with Aurier in tow (do recall Rafael and Valencia being a decent pair or could be imagining it).
Naturally, I wouldn't expect great service akin to Beckham or Alves for that matter, but his wing play and runs down the flank could alleviate some burden from our forwards, provide better balance as opposed to two forwards 'just' looking to cut in and provide our forwards and midfielders with a better platform to work with. Could potentially be worth a shot, esp given our array of forwards.
Would love him him here, but his sentence is never going to be overturned, right?
Stats can be misleading but from watching both I'd feel confident in saying Valencia is far superior defensively and Aurier is clearly better offensively.
Don't think many are dismissing Valencia, it's just that he is 32 and we have a good chance to sign a very good RB for cheaper price, which means we are set in that position for years.
Great player for a great price. I've read that PSG want £27m for Aurier, so Im guessing its probably £22m plus £5m add ons. Very good deal. Surely we won't feck this one up?
This is about right. Aurier would learn a lot from Valencia IMHO and it'd be good to have his replacement already at the club instead of overpaying for him.
This is the exact reason why I want us to sign Aurier. In 1 or 2 years we will be searching for RB and obviously we will pay way too much for a decent RB. If we sign Aurier then we don't have to worry about RB position for few years. If he gets work permit then it makes sense to buy him, very good RB available for cheaper price for few reasons.
As with Griezmann this one's out of our hands. If his appeal fails next week then there's nothing we can do, so still up in the air at the moment!
How can they be misleading?
Another ban is going to shaft us.
If we do get him, the guy needs to be managed properly because of his character.
They can miss the flow of the game. A completed cross does not mean a good cross, it would not also show a cross that was made a second too late. Loads of variables that stats miss out on.
The stats that say Matic has 'declined' say the same about Kante. Stats taken in isolation without context mean nothing.
I've seen 'not that brilliant at crossing', 'poor decision making', and 'loves a meaty challenge' over the past few pages. The new Manchester United epitomised in one player?
Sounds like the opposite of what I want tbh, but exactly what people here fawn over.
Sounds like the opposite of what I want tbh, but exactly what people here fawn over.
@Ecstatic what's the chances of him leaving? and how good is he?
90%
If fit, I'm a big fan of the player: powerfully strong, offensive, high stamina, decent technical skills. Aurier 2015/16 was one of the top 5 RB in Europe for me.
He has to leave because Dani Alves is coming and PSG has now 3 RB playing Belgium, Brazil & Ivory Coast. Some "scandals" also.
Otherwise, he would have stayed and probably played 50% of the games given the coach's management.
On the other hand, giving Fosu-Mensah a chance this season makes sense as well. Great talent, standing still because of the lack of regular playing time. To me, he has shown he can easily play against most at least half of the opponents in the Premier League. Did well when van Gaal started to use him as well, for instance in the game against Tottenham. We totally collapsed when he came of the pitch in that game.
I am more worried that we seemingly are not looking for a LB, which in my mind is way more important than getting Aurier. Valencia has been great for us, so our first option on RB is solid. With Fosu-Mensah we have a great talent who can play there, while Darmian is also an option.
At left back, we currently have nothing. Shaw is injured once again and is our only LB who at least has the potential to be a great LB. Then there is Blind, who is a decent passer in the build up but lacks in defensive quality. Also, he is not as good going forward as people say. Does not have the speed to come over the top and his crossing is pretty poor as well for someone who is said to be a great passer. Darmian is good defensively, but lacks quality going forward. Also right footed, so on the left even more handicapped in crossing than he is at the right. I have said it a few times before in the past weeks and will say it one more time: We made a huge error not moving for Ricardo Rodriguez a few weeks back. Snapped up by Milan for €18 mil. Already saw him assisting one and scoring one in the Milan pre-season. Exactly the LB we needed with Lukaku up front.
What's misleading about the stats? Valencia is rarely dispossessed, has a great first touch and is good enough 1 on 1 to be a winger. None of those are true of Aurier. I really think people are being misled by his highlights package here. Neither you or I have seen enough of him to have a fair assessment, so I can only defer to the French posters who've seen much more:
I'd say that's a very different perspective from the one many have on here based on limited viewing. Alternatively we can look at matches like this:
Just look at how easily he's dispossessed or how loose his first touch is. You can see how loose Aurier's passing is from his highlights video too. They're things that Valencia excels at and they're essential to fluid build-up play but for some reason they're mostly ignored in fullbacks.
Tbf this is a highlights video of a game that took place 3 years ago at the world cup, so Aurier was 21 and hadn't even joined PSG at the time. Also, you're right Valencia is solid at keeping possession, but you can't say Aurier has loose passing based on 1 clip from a highlights video.
He was playing really good that season up until he got dropped for that Blanc video, that I do remember. He struck me as a much better offensive player than Valencia, but yes he can be sloppy in possession. Do I think he would be worth the risk?, for 25m he isn't even a risk. I like Valencia but he is getting no younger and Aurier would add a dynamism to our right flank (similar to Rafael) that Valencia is incapable of imo.
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It's 2 clips back to back in that one, and it's a bit of a theme throughout that video. He's just a sloppy passer. Most fullbacks are in that area of the pitch - that's why they're fullbacks. The French posters all say that his technique is decent but nothing beyond that. I just think we take it for granted that Valencia that he can beat a man like a winger, is really exceptional at ball retention and is very economical (albeit boring) with his passing. The frustration of a poor cross and a wasted attack overrides everything else.
I definitely want us to sign him (and Lucas Moura) so I'm not suggesting he isn't good enough, I'm just challenging the idea that he'll walk right in and be an immediate improvement on Valencia as a wingback.
People base their opinions on only them, instead of watching what happens on the pitch. Hence LVG being deemed to have made us good defensively when we really just passed the ball around in midfield all game then shat ourselves if attacked.
Valencia supposedly has the best crossing stats in the league, yet I watch every game and barely see anything happen from them, and loads hit the first man then go out for a throw in (don't know if they're not counting this as a cross?).
Stats are sometimes misleading though. I thought at times last year our opponents would almost deliberately leave Valencia as our "out ball" knowing that he was unlikely to drive forward and commit defenders.
The sheer number of times Valencia isolates the opposition full back and then turns round and rolls it to the CB is ridiculous
I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making out, but I can agree with your point. Valencia has improved dramatically as a RB since LVG tried him there a few seasons back, but Valencia has his deficiencies as well. There are several better RB's out there in making an overlapping run to the by-line and delivering more accurate crosses. There are also better technical RB's than Aurier with better passing, but Aurier also has many positives about his play and on top form is arguably a better RB than Valencia. If we were to sign him, I don't think he'll just come in to the team as first choice RB as Valencia has been so solid and I also reckon he could be brought in to play LB (similar to how Azpilicueta was used).
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