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As reliable as a VW.
Hmmm, this has some credibility too it. Maradona's daughter was spotted in Savills Wilmslow, perhaps buying or viewing property in the rich cheshire plains.
Spoony! Is correct, Key 103 are reliable - and I have good reason to believe this sighting is too.
Spoony! Is correct, Key 103 are reliable - and I have good reason to believe this sighting is too.
Huntelaar was only really in the English press.
Aguero to United (haggling over the price) rumours have been flying round the Spanish press for a while. With the other Atletico stories bouncing around it does like either Aguero or Forlan is being sold.
Yes, great thing about a bid for Aguero is we get first claim on any offspring.
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I think the nani thing sounds plausible. the boss certainly showed little faith in him last season. so I see no reason for that to change this year as SAF has a track record of making his mind up about players and sticking to it. and perhaps man utd and SAF dont actually value nani at anything like the 17mil we paid for him. maybe they realise that we would probably only get something like 8 million for nani and actually see this deal as being closer to 40 mil with nani involved instead of the 45 or 50 million people on here assume it is. its quite likely athletico see nani at 8 to 10 mil too and thats why they think the deal is too low
I hate to join the muppetry, but Skybet cut the odds to 6/4 on Aguero joining us, from about 12/1 yesterday morning (I forget what it was exactly).
Saying that, this is the same website that had Ribery odds on to join the dippers.
Saying that, this is the same website that had Ribery odds on to join the dippers.
Whereas Tevez (and Rooney) is a player that is roughly halfway between a number 10 (which is more of an attacking midfield position) and a conventional striker, Aguero is in fact a player that he operates most effectively in the final third, particularly on shoulder of the last defender, but he's also explosive in-and-around the penalty area.
The comparison to Romario really is apt, though Aguero is a better footballer than Romario ever was. Aguero could certainly be utilized as Tevez was, but despite the obvious similarity in terms of stature, Aguero is a very different player; one much more suited to United, given that we already have Rooney, and to a lesser extent, Berbatov.
In fact, I'd go as far as saying that Aguero is much more similar to Michael Owen in his early twenties, than either Rooney or Tevez. For some reason — which is probably a legacy of the 70's, 80's, and even the 90's — many fans are still convinced that you need a tall(er), lead-the-line type player. I just don't buy that, at all. We need talented footballers, in my opinion, that compliment the type of players and team that we already have.
Not that I think that we will even attempt to sign Aguero.....
The comparison to Romario really is apt, though Aguero is a better footballer than Romario ever was. Aguero could certainly be utilized as Tevez was, but despite the obvious similarity in terms of stature, Aguero is a very different player; one much more suited to United, given that we already have Rooney, and to a lesser extent, Berbatov.
In fact, I'd go as far as saying that Aguero is much more similar to Michael Owen in his early twenties, than either Rooney or Tevez. For some reason — which is probably a legacy of the 70's, 80's, and even the 90's — many fans are still convinced that you need a tall(er), lead-the-line type player. I just don't buy that, at all. We need talented footballers, in my opinion, that compliment the type of players and team that we already have.
Not that I think that we will even attempt to sign Aguero.....
Well a few of those stories in the bible are highly questionable
Hmm.
I'd say Tevez is a number 10, whereas Aguero's a 9.5. Same as Rooney.
I think he's equally comfortable running in behind chasing after balls or running from deep at players, and I think he involves himself in the interplay with Tevez very similarly, although not as deep. They're both deceptively strong, and have very good close control, but obviously Aguero's just much more useful inside the box.
I've never though of Aguero as someone who just stays right up like Michael Owen, I think he likes pulling out wide and running at players a lot more often. I'd also say that I thought Aguero played as the deeper of the two strikers, Torres and then Forlan, in his first two season for the most part, and then last season he and Forlan swapped roles to an extent. Forlan was the one coming deep and making things happen all over the pitch, and everything just pretty much went through him. I definitely think it was the other way round the season before.
Aguero did play as more of a Michael Owen type player in the U20's tournament two years ago, I thought he looked a very different player to what I'd seen of him at Atletico at that point.
I'd say Tevez is a number 10, whereas Aguero's a 9.5. Same as Rooney.
I think he's equally comfortable running in behind chasing after balls or running from deep at players, and I think he involves himself in the interplay with Tevez very similarly, although not as deep. They're both deceptively strong, and have very good close control, but obviously Aguero's just much more useful inside the box.
I've never though of Aguero as someone who just stays right up like Michael Owen, I think he likes pulling out wide and running at players a lot more often. I'd also say that I thought Aguero played as the deeper of the two strikers, Torres and then Forlan, in his first two season for the most part, and then last season he and Forlan swapped roles to an extent. Forlan was the one coming deep and making things happen all over the pitch, and everything just pretty much went through him. I definitely think it was the other way round the season before.
Aguero did play as more of a Michael Owen type player in the U20's tournament two years ago, I thought he looked a very different player to what I'd seen of him at Atletico at that point.
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No no, calm. Now is not the time, and this is not the location.
Bloody religion.
No offer for aguero according to some bloke from atletico on ssn.
Aguero to United is to good to be true. A swap deal with Nani would be a bad deal, since I think we will see what Nani can do now after Ronaldo has left.
Swap deal won't happen, it's just not a serious option I don't think. If any deal happens it will be for cash only.
My feelings on Nani. Nani certainly has the potential, we have seen it. But his inconsistent performances have put doubt in some peoples minds. Can you imagine teams lining up to the Da Sivas and Nani and Valencia? Confuse the fudge out of them.
On a serious note, Valencia and Nani could prove to be a great wing partnership, if Nani starts to prove himself again. Good balance of pace, skill and crossing ability. I really do have my fingers crossed for Nani.
We would never swap away Nani. Nor would we swap Berbatov away.
I`m sure if we really wanted Aguero we would have the financial muscle to get him without resorting to giving away players.
I`m sure if we really wanted Aguero we would have the financial muscle to get him without resorting to giving away players.
Me too muller.
And contrary to Ronaldo I can see Nani developing into a good first defender as well. Many times we`ve seen him steal the ball from an opponent, it`s just a matter of knowing when to do so. Ronaldo was never good at defending, but he knew when to block of space. Nani doesn`t know that yet, but he will I`m sure.
And contrary to Ronaldo I can see Nani developing into a good first defender as well. Many times we`ve seen him steal the ball from an opponent, it`s just a matter of knowing when to do so. Ronaldo was never good at defending, but he knew when to block of space. Nani doesn`t know that yet, but he will I`m sure.
We do have 80 million sitting in our bank account, not that I am suggesting we spend anywhere near that figure. Although we might have to if we really are following him as closely as some would like to believe.
When Nani has the ball on the wing, I think he can go past his defender(s) more easy than Ronaldo did. Nani does something who looks easy and the defender(s) is gone. Hope we will see much of Nani this season.
It's largely semantics, of course, as no two players are the same, but the classic number 10 is a creative midfielder (particularly in Argentina, where the 4-3-1-2 formation was very popular). Aimar is a typical example; more of a creative player than goalscorer — whereas Tevez, Rooney, and Aguero, are rooted in, and have been since an early age, the strikers role.
Aguero is certainly comfortable at running at a defence, but you will notice that most of his best work is done in the final third, particularly in-and-around the penalty area. His assist record is good, but very few come from a slide-rule pass — most are squared balls, after running in behind, particularly down the channels.
As to the comparison with Owen, I admit that it is slightly tangential, as the two players are/were (in Owen's case) different in a number of important ways, but Owen used to score a surprising number of goals from deep. I am specifically thinking of the goal that he scored against Newcastle, after beating 2/3 men. The comparison is also favorable in that both players are/were extraordinarily sharp in the penalty area — constantly looking for the space to run in to.
If Rooney and Aguero were ever to play with each other, I'd expect to see Aguero slightly ahead of Rooney. For Argentina, Tevez and Messi play either side — or just behind, in fact — of Aguero.
I have the utmost respect for you, Joga, but I can't agree with that. Romario was a much more complete player than most people give him credit for, it's just that his goalscoring abilities were so extreme that they tend to overshadow a classy all-round game. But I certainly rate Aguero and would love to see him at United.
To be fair, Keane was dropping deep just as much and was given more freedom than Rooney seems to be given when stuck as a target man. Plus in that partnership, Berbatov found himself much more advanced a lot more for some reason. He seems to be much deeper when playing for United. Unfortunately the Rooney - Berbatov partnership has not clicked, yet. It'll have to next season because Owen will push Berbatov for a starting place.
I wonder what people are hanging on to.It's not going to happen.
This surely is not going to happen.
You could well be right about that, and I admit to a little ignorance, in that I was much younger (early teens), and I mainly remember him playing for Brazil in the '94 world cup, as well as his time at Barca. I cannot remember much, if anything, of his game beyond his unbelievable ability to find, and then dash in to, space in-and-around the penalty area, usually finishing with such ease that it looked as though he could have done it blind-folded. Absolutely amazing player, who should have played in Europe for much longer than he did.
To be honest, I shouldn't have said anything about his general footballing ability, having not been old enough to witness his early career, or much of his time after he left Barcelona.
Edit: This is what I remember him for:
Cerezo now says he is not for sale. Didnt he say he was, for the right price?
He got the massive buy out clause, so his for sale for the right price I guess. If we really want this kid, we will have to use some of the Ronaldo money.
Does anyone know what the buy-out clause is?
€60m?
That was pretty quick of Athletico to come out and say Manchester United have not made a bid for the player.
Getting Valencia, Obertan, Owen and Aguero in 80% of what we sold Ronaldo for, isnt bad business.
I rate Aguero, for now, in the bracket just below Ronaldo and Messi.
60 million euros is a huge sum, and may be seen as a bit of a risk. he's an excellent player but it is a question how well he will adapt the english game. on the other hand, given his age and potential it may be well worth the risk. the one thing we don't want is to pay the 60 million euros and then for his market value to drop because he doesn't adapt well to england.
These are the prices this summer. And I'm not sure if this summer is a one off, because this spending business isnt going to stop. If Real win nowt this year they will get someone for big money. If City manage to qualify for Europe they will attract players. Then you have us, Chelsea and some Italian teams willing to pay top dollar for talented players, Lazio paid 25m for Zarate, and I think its a steal. Real Madrid have ruined the balance, because I'm not sure if business-wise what they have done is profitable, it looks like succeeding on the pitch while lcoming a bit worse economically is not a problem for them.
Beatle.
One thing the people here who have seen more of Aguero can tell us is, is whether he's got that 'x-factor', whether he can produce a moment of a magic out of nothing to win a game. I think that's something we've not replaced having let go of Ronaldo and it'll be very rare to find in young talent with generally the only options being unearthing a supremely gifted gem like Ronnie or paying the mega-bucks for an already rated star...
The problem is that a lot of thought and preparation has to go in to spending anything over £25-30m on one player. If the price that we are talking about is anywhere near the £45m mark, and then 5 years worth of wages (£100k p/w) is added to that, we are talking a £70m transfer. That's an enormous investment.
Sure, Real Madrid are willing to invest that much, but look at who they are investing it on, and then notice who they are haggling over. This is something that should be noted. Real Madrid are willing to spend almost any amount on players that are already considered as one of the best in the world, as well as also having a huge commercial value, yet they suddenly begin to look almost frugal when attempting to sign players like Xabi Alonso.
That's because he has little or no commercial value, so his only real value is on the football pitch, helping the team to win trophies. If he isn't absolutely the best player in the world in his position, Real Madrid would rather move on to another player that is of a similar level, than overspend on one with little or no commercial value.
Aguero is potentially one of the best players in the world, which means that his commercial value is potentially very high. But he isn't there yet, in my opinion, so it would be some risk to spend anything more than £30m on him, which is coincidentally what Madrid spent on Benzema. But you won't get Aguero for £30m, as Atletico had to fork out nearly £20m to sign him when he was 18 years of age. Given that he has proven that he can play in Europe over the last 2 seasons, and has shown plenty of signs that he will develop in to one of the best players in the world, it is not unreasonable of them to want close to £50m for him.
But it would be unreasonable to spend that much on him, in my opinion.
There's got to be activity there, for the response to be that quick - unless somebody's rehashing quotes again...
It wouldn't be IF we had signed him, or were going to. I doubt it will happen. I think Fergie has gone of Argentinians, especially one that's dating Maradonna's daughter. That has trouble all over it!
I rate Aguero before Benzema for sure. But still I dont see the deal come through, but I hope 
Our deal with nike means that we can't profit from shirts sales and the like, ala madrid. So whatever player we buy, it HAS to be for sporting reasons as the commercial benefits are taken by nike (our measly deal worth £24 mill as posted in another thread runs out in 2014).
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