Precisely. La Liga referees can be very trigger happy when offensive players are fouled. A lot of his yellow cards would be simply waved off in the Premier League.
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Precisely. La Liga referees can be very trigger happy when offensive players are fouled. A lot of his yellow cards would be simply waved off in the Premier League.
But that wasn't the case at the begging, our midfield was overrun every time and most of the games we conceded because of them. Remember the first game of the season, both time midfielders were to late to cover and people still blamed the defenders.
Later, when the balance was better, our defense looked much better, people actually started praising Smalling a lot, while other CB's were injured to often.
Yeah, like di Maria had, or Januzaj, sure.... You think his constant arguing with the referee will help? Terry can do it, Rooney, but players like di Maria (mostly new foreigners) get punished very quickly.
And CL is a different story, the things Real Madrid players could get away with almost no team could.
How many goals did Spain concede? Answer my question. 1 goal conceded in a major tournament like that and winning it is a huge achievement. Credit must go to the defenders.
No crosses allowed? Are we going to tell the other teams not to cross before the game?
Valdes is a great shot stopper. But he can't deal with crosses or set pieces very well, which has stopped him being one of the best. He's not going to change his game at the age of 33.
Ramos is a world class defender. I don't even know why you are comparing the two. Are we going to compare Herrera with Ramos next?
I am not talking about "normal" fouls, I am talking about arguing with the ref (the fouls referees don't see would be punished later).
Of course, he could change when he comes here, as the players play differently, I get that, but I do think it is a valid point to be concerned about.
Not sure why everyone's arguing about his quality. At the end of day, your opinion (myself included) doesn't count for sh*t.
This. It's an almost unbelievable signing. Ramos is part of Madrid's spine. Getting him would be unreal
That's the point of a football forum.
Go and read everything and you will know why I am comparing them.
No, we will not tell them to cross, we will not give them the ball and without the ball they can't cross. That is at least the plan.
OK, I don't agree that Ramos is a WC defender and that's it. I understand how people who are in their early twenties could think that he is a WC defender, but I don't understand how people who sow Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Baresi, and even Rio in his prime bla, bla,...., say that he is WC.
I forgot about goals conceded:
How many goals did we concede last season because of defending mistakes, answer me that?
quick question, is he better than all of our current defenders?
yes without a doubt is the answer.
yes without a doubt is the answer.
Never thought of it like that... On a serious note, there's some truly heated discussions which seem quite pointless. We should rejoice at such a (possible) signing.
So tell me, which defender would you sign??
Fecking hell, some of the things I'm reading about Ramos here.
One of the best CB's in the world, leaving that aside and what he'd bring us in experience, leadership skills, attitude, someone who has won it all and knows what it takes to win... The effect this could have on Smalling and Jones is incredible.
I wanted Otamendi up until about 48 hours ago when this Ramos saga really picked up steam. Now Ramos is the one I want, the ultimate CB that we could sign.
I've never even considered him signing for us as it was a pipe dream. Crazy if this goes through.
One of the best CB's in the world, leaving that aside and what he'd bring us in experience, leadership skills, attitude, someone who has won it all and knows what it takes to win... The effect this could have on Smalling and Jones is incredible.
I wanted Otamendi up until about 48 hours ago when this Ramos saga really picked up steam. Now Ramos is the one I want, the ultimate CB that we could sign.
I've never even considered him signing for us as it was a pipe dream. Crazy if this goes through.
Exactly, Valdes is a keeper with injury history who has none of the requirements for a PL keeper. Ramos ticks most boxes when it comes to style, physical attributes and fitness record. No reason to think we couldn't get 5 good seasons from an athlete of his caliber IMO.
So I'm assuming we've gone after Ramos as a big f*ck you to Madrid for pinching De Gea? Trying to show ourselves as heavyweights in the transfer market?
I like it but I hope we don't come out of this fight with our tail between our legs
I like it but I hope we don't come out of this fight with our tail between our legs
When you say protection do you mean backing from the club and fans or what? Because he'd certainly get it at United.
Because he is one of the best in the current crop of CB's in the world now, stop comparing him with players from another era, it just doesn't work like that!
I answered that question yesterday.
Yes that are valid points but I brought Valdes in the argument only because people said Ramos played for a TOP team and TOP national team so it should be enough and Valdes is a proof that it doesn't need to be enough.
We can disagree on other thins and that's OK, but he played for this and this team should not be the most important point.
3 years worth of world class service if he comes. Its a ballsy move, its abit like the RVP signing. Great for a season or two but then we're back to square one.
Think i would rather have Otamendi who would only be Ramos's replacement and probably look as good at Madrid anyway.
Think i would rather have Otamendi who would only be Ramos's replacement and probably look as good at Madrid anyway.
No, I know fans will support him, I would support him if comes here....
I think that referees in Prem treat differently foreign players, especially players who came as stars.
Rooney could say a lot of things, Hart can even put his head on the referee, Terry can scream and touch the referee and nothing will happen, while if di Maria does it he will get the card and not just di Maria.... Ramos is a vocal player, but he is vocal to everyone and it worries me a bit.
Fabregas pushed the ref last season and got away with it..nothing point!
Can't really compare it to RvP. He was renowned for being injury prone whereas Ramos has a very good injury record, plus strikers generally peak and wane earlier than defenders, and many of the best defenders don't just drop off the boil once they hit the magical age of 32. Just look at Terry.
Oh yeah, you are the guy who said this gem
Only on red cafe, you'd get someone saying Smalling is better than Ramos.
Farbregas does not completely kill his point. He is a foreign player but, one who first joined the league at 16.
But that means more mistakes as you said, he is one of the best now, but basically would be at least one class under the defenders I have mentioned. And Rio and Vidić weren't really from another era.
Again, I do understand your point and that's why I am not totally against him as a player and would not "kill myself if he comes" and I also agree that he would help building from the back a lot, but I think that as a package I am not to happy if we get him.
Fair enough.
But I don't think it would be as big of a concern as it's made out to be. Ramos will not be sent off for getting in the referee's face. Or let me rephrase that - he might do it once, but after being admonished by Van Gaal, he won't repeat the same mistake twice. Louis is a manager renowned for instilling great discipline and a sense of fairplay in his players. He is one of the few managers who dont endlessly complain about harsh refereeing, or official injustice, something that was at display last season. As opposed to say the Machiavellian Mourinho who tries every trick up his sleeve (fair or unfair) to gain the upper hand.
The way Ramos behaves at Madrid will not have a great bearing on how he'll do so at United. The bigger Spanish clubs often have a culture of moaning during games, or pressuring match officials. A lot of it is a trickle down effect from managers who then carry out the theatrical agenda in front of the press. But in joining United, Ramos will leave a lot of that behind. Once he gets used to the culture of the club, and Van Gaal's ideology, he will cut out on the play acting, or open retaliation, or other tangential stuff. A lot of these players are not snide, compulsive cheats by nature. They just react to the environment they are in, and become a product of that.
I said foreing players who come as stars, Fabregas is HG player actually.
Hmm nemanja
And this is the reason I am not totally against this transfer as I hope he would change, but he actually needs to stay vocal, just needs to channel it properly.
I think Smalling is a good player but he's nowhere near top level. His overrating on the Caf is beyond belief at times.
Yeah, well, maybe they were getting undeserved criticism to a degree. Obviously it's extremly difficult to defend when the whole team isn't functioning properly defensively or isn't balanced, such as Real especially the past season and us in the beginning of the season. Still, Ramos is doing extremly well almost all the time, which proves his level.
And I say it again, as a pure defender he is. For the style we want to play he is not, but we do need him.
Jesus fecking Christ, Rio and Vidic are gone. You mentioned them about 20 times now.
Did you watch Rio in his early years, when Vidic wasn't around? I don't think you did. He used to make lots of mistakes due to his poor concentration. It was only when Vidic came that he got out of that stupid habit.
Of course I did, I watched players before Rio? But how to hell is Ramos in his early years? Did you watch Ramos in his early years? He was a joke, he wasn't near to be ready to play for a team as Real.
And how did Vidić help Rio, when Vidić was terrible first half of the season? He even wanted to leave. They were a fantastic partnership and helped eachother, but Rio was the leader for most of their years together.
Thats why he's been playing there for the last 10 years, since he was you know, 19 years old?
They obviously picked him for his beautiful hair. Can't have been his ability, what with him being such a joke and all.
Sorry, but he mentioned Rio's early years, not me.
Rio was the leader? He really wasn't.
How did Vidic help Rio? Watch from 06/07 onwards and you'd see. You clearly didn't watch Rio at the start of his career here.
I truly believe he will. Most players, infact stretch that - most humans become more serene as they age. Ramos showed a lot of improvement both discipline wise (didn't have a single dismissal in over 50 games for club and country combined), and gin terms of rowing into an authoritative leader (as Iker's influence declined) last season. Once they near the age of 30, most footballers instinctively have the urge to become an example for the younger ones. Having someone of Ramos' caliber and accomplishments (in terms of his winning record for Madrid, and especially Spain - where he might eve surpass Casillas as the most capped international) will work wonders for defenders not just in the first team, but also in the reserve and youth level (the likes of Tuanzabe, Fosu-Mensah, Borthwick-Jackson etc who could prove to be the future of the club defensively, and will be 22-23 and ready to step up in a big way as Ramos approaches his mid 30s).
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