Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract

[Bojan11]

Let's do this from now on.

Never sign a defender unless he's as good as Evra, Rio, Vidic or Neville.

Never sign a midfielder unless he's as good as Scholes, Giggs or Keane.

Never sign a forward unless he's as good as Ronaldo.

I give you the logic of @Kounan.

 

[Kounan]

58 pages. 1 for each of his goals in his career.

Let's argue more, so he scores a lot if we get him .

 

[Cal?]

Yeah, but they were here till last season, peiple can remember them and Rio had great season in his last SAF season and Vidic the year before when he came after the injury.

That's all very well, but how does that change anything? Unless there's a young Rio or Vidic in the market, what exactly is your point?

 

[LilRicky]

I'd say that the exact style of football we're working towards, and achieved more times then not last season.

His possession quote is nonsense, United play better possession football than Madrid anyway. They are a counter attacking team primarily so why he brought possession into I don't know.

 

[Kounan]

Let's do this from now on.

Never sign a defender unless he's as good as Evra, Rio, Vidic or Neville.

Never sign a midfield unless he's as good as Scholes, Giggs or Keane.

Never sign a forward unless he's as good as Ronaldo.

I give you the logic of @Kounan.

So you agree he is not as good as Rio and Vidic were ? Thank you.

 

[Cal?]

Let's do this from now on.

Never sign a defender unless he's as good as Evra, Rio, Vidic or Neville.

Never sign a midfield unless he's as good as Scholes, Giggs or Keane.

Never sign a forward unless he's as good as Ronaldo.

I give you the logic of @Kounan.

If Milan operated with that logic, they'd never sign a defender ever after the likes of Maldini and Baresi...

 

[Kounan]

That's all very well, but how does that change anything? Unless there's a young Rio or Vidic in the market, what exactly is your point?

I don't rate him that much simple as that.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Do please point out who we can sign who'd be as good as Vidic or Rio circa 2008.

You never know. Vidic was not expected to be Vidic.

 

[Sam]

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So you agree he is not as good as Rio and Vidic were ? Thank you.

No one said he was ffs! There's literally not a single defender in the world as good as those two. So what shall we do, just sign no one?

 

[Kounan]

If Milan operated with that logic, they'd never sign a defender ever after the likes of Maldini and Baresi...

They've got Nesta....

You sign who you can and I am just someone who thinks that for top money a top player should come. I am not a fan of Ramos, nor Hummels, only two players I have mentioned.

 

[The United Irishman]

I don't rate him that much simple as that.

Yes but it's based on pretty much nothing other than you think that he's an asshole which you should have just admitted to at the beginning.

 

[Kounan]

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No one said he was ffs! There's literally not a single defender in the world as good as those two. So what shall we do, just sign no one?

I've said it before it's him as a player and his behaviour, not just one or the other. If I would be sure thay he would fix his behaviour I would have a different opinion.

 

[Cal?]

They've got Nesta....

You sign who you can and I am just someone who thinks that for top money a top player should come. I am not a fan of Ramos, nor Hummels, only two players I have mentioned.

That's exactly my point, you don't compare to your great players of the past, you sign the best available at the time.

 

[Lennon7]

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No one said he was ffs! There's literally not a single defender in the world as good as those two. So what shall we do, just sign no one?

spend all of our money on developing a time machine is what @Kounan would prefer.

 

[Sam]

I've said it before it's him as a player and his behaviour, not just one or the other. If I would be sure thay he would fix his behaviour I would have a different opinion.

So its got nothing to do with his actual ability? Just that you think he's a bit of a knob. Glad we finally cleared that one up.

A fwiw, I'd agree, he is a knob. The type of player who you hate to play against. But we've also had plenty of those ourselves down the years.

 

[sullydnl]

Some people seem bemused that other don't rate Ramos all that highly, so I looked at a Madrid fan site to check what they thought of him. Enjoy:

Spoiler

Ramos played like a complete idiot for half a season

I like Ramos a lot, but if he plays like a donkey and gets in the way of my team succeeding and winning trophies, fck him, he needs to get outta here.

I am in the opinion Ramos is a shit cb unless he is partnered with someone smarter than him (pepe, Varane) or he gets ordered around (Alonso).....Now I understand, Ramos is a true idiot who cannot do his job unless he is ordered around by alonso or by his better cb partner. because last game, when he should have taken initiative and organize his backline, he failed spectacularly and went with the failing flow rather than being a leader.

At what point does Sergio Ramos take responsibility? all the goals we have been conceding in recent time is all because of him....Pepe, Varane has been far better than Ramos so far. Yet this pitiful excuse of a defender has kept his spot on the team....Ramos needs to prove himself that he isn't shit. Because he has been utter shit for quite some time now....I can name not just 5, but 10 ahead of Ramos. Scoring goals is not part of a cb's job. the role of the cb is to DEFEND and PREVENT goals. Ramos fails in this.

He is Spaniard plus his goals helped us win the Champions, so he won't be benched anytime soon even if he deserves it which he does

lol. HE's still a very average CB.One good game means nothing. Elite forwards have bullied him all his career.

Can this overrated piece of shit be sold already!!!!, I hope he doesn't get an extension he will forever be a trash cb, can't even win a defensive header to save his life, pepe and varane are better than him, for a very long time now.

Oh well. What's done is done. Ramos is at Madrid and there's nothing we can do about that. We can only pray that...I don't even know how to get out of this situation

We're screwed.

he is such a moron

Always screws up in a big game

This is so like the old Ramos, doing retarded shit and getting carded for it.

He can go tbh. Not even worth half that

Lol ramos can piss off, plays like shit most of the time. 0 consistency, another player who peaked once with madrid and won la dexima. What a joke

Ramos is WC. inconsistent yes but World Class all the same. Having said that, if its net he can feck right off, too inconsistent to be asking that sort of money.

Any truth to him asking to leave? Probably in our best interest, but I just can't see us without him

His incredibly rash tendencies, using physicality to mask his lack of intelligence and all round brain fartiness would go hand in hand in the EPL where defenders can be incredibly rash, use physicality to mask lack of intelligence and all round brain fartiness.

or it could be a situation where an overrated player leaves and another with actual quality comes in and improve the defense... there are two ways to read this. I am not a fan of losing experienced player, but the availability of Otamendi makes this viable to me. Ramos is not focused on this job week to week, that's the main reason why he makes so many mistakes, he is too comfortable in madrid, too secure in his position, he has it all. He waits for the biggest moments to show up and he forgets that being a professional is a day to day work. It's disappointing to see him bicker with the club here but Perez is doing the right thing, you cant give him 10 mil on a 5 year contract.

And Ramos a defender is nothing special. He just has a ridiculously high reputation.

Ramos is the best attacking cb imo. His aerial game is nothing to sneeze at. but what his position is judged on is defense, not attacking quality.

Everyone just looks at his offensive abilities and think he's actually a top CB. Continues to flop in big games and costing us big goals. Everyone just thinks about his headers against Bayern and Atletico and put aside criticism.

It's just that he is like Guti: Inconsistent. I actually think Benitez would be a boon for an idiot like Ramos, if I actually rated Benitez.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying they're right, some of those posts read like the more stupid opinions we tend to get on this site. Still though, it's fair to say we're not the only ones with a few reservations when it comes to Sergio.....

 

[Enigma_87]

I'd say that the exact style of football we're working towards, and achieved more times then not last season.

We didn't have much pace in the attacking third last season. LvG changed formations, IMO we're yet to see his philosophy next season after he gets or not his transfer targets.

 

[Kounan]

Yes but it's based on pretty much nothing other than you think that he's an asshole which you should have just admitted to at the beginning.

I actually did say it when I have mentioned him avoiding cards (arguing, punching, elbowing....).

 

[Offside]

Van Gaal is clearly going for a possession game with players like Depay being the penetrative force. If Ramos joined he would keep the ball brilliantly. Valdes as a goalkeeper would do that aswell. Then, if you add some quality passing midfielders like Gundogan and Schneiderlein then we are well on our way to achieving this and becoming a top team. We could even do well in Europe this season...

Hope we get Ramos.

 

[Ødegaard]

Don't you think the need for a solution in regards to the defensive problem is a bit more important then personal preferences ? Perhaps it's better to float the idea of 'we need' rather then ' what i want or dont want''.

I absolutely do think we need a proper CB.
But i would much rather see us go for Otamendi or anyone else of semi-decent quality that isn't a dramaqueen-cuntbag.

 

[Rozay]

I wonder if the Ronaldo and De Gea ordeals haven't resulted in a slight change of policy at the club?
We may well have decided that there's less value in scouring South America and Southern Europe for talent if they're only going to want off to Madrid or Barcelona once they begin to flourish.

Focus our scouts at home and in the traditional strongholds of North-West and Eastern Europe for talent while looking to bring in proven talent from elsewhere. Problem is that the homegrown "wonderkids" are few and far between lately.

That would make sense if we could actually sign the best British player ahead of Real, which we couldn't either.

 

[izec]

Some people seem bemused that other don't rate Ramos all that highly, so I looked at a Madrid fan site to check what they thought of him. Enjoy:


Disclaimer: I'm not saying they're right, some of those posts read like the more stupid opinions we tend to get on this site. Still though, it's fair to say we're not the only ones with a few reservations when it comes to Sergio.....

When were these comments made? Over the last season? Or now at the end?

 

[Kounan]

So its got nothing to do with his actual ability? Just that you think he's a bit of a knob. Glad we finally cleared that one up.

A fwiw, I'd agree, he is a knob. The type of player who you hate to play against. But we've also had plenty of those ourselves down the years.

It has to do with his ability, but when it's only one of the things I can understand why LVG wants him as there are not many top defenders around.

 

[R'hllor]

Transfer season is not for all,some need cryogenic chamber.

 

[sullydnl]

When were these comments made? Over the last season? Or now at the end?

Over the last season and up to now.

 

[gormless]

Some people seem bemused that other don't rate Ramos all that highly, so I looked at a Madrid fan site to check what they thought of him. Enjoy:


Disclaimer: I'm not saying they're right, some of those posts read like the more stupid opinions we tend to get on this site. Still though, it's fair to say we're not the only ones with a few reservations when it comes to Sergio.....

If Madrid fans had done the same when they signed Ronaldo of us they would have got pages worth of "Lazy and bad attitude," "selfish" etc etc posts. Football fans are never happy with what they've got.

 

[Enigma_87]

When were these comments made? Over the last season? Or now at the end?

Now, I found it here:

http://realmadridistas.net/real-madrid-players/el-rambo-sergio-ramos

 

[Joemo]

A bonus is that if we do strengthen the defence adequately, like if we will if we do get Ramos, then I'll happily have Valdes as the keeper for the next few seasons. Signing a top CB may mean we're not obliged to spend De Gea money on an immediate costly replacement.

 

[Kounan]

Disclaimer: I'm not saying they're right, some of those posts read like the more stupid opinions we tend to get on this site. Still though, it's fair to say we're not the only ones with a few reservations when it comes to Sergio.....

Thank you, that is how I see him. I think he is better at things he shouldn't be, while at pure defending he is average (OK, let's say above average, but nothing special as he is not consistent enough) and that's why I don't really know what will we get with him in that sense (will he improve our defense, will he make other players better, or will they have to cover his mistakes, will he be able to organize the defense, or will he be unable to control himself in tough situations especially as we aren't as dominant like Madrid is in most games.....).

On the other side I know that his ball playing abilities would help us organize our game and if we manage to get really high percentage of possession he wouldn't be that much under pressure and he would be probably great for us and our play, but that's why I said if we get him we should make sure to get the proper midfielders to be able to have that possession.

I know most people don't see it that way, but I have seen most of Real's bigger games and I think it's a valid point I am making.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

You never know. Vidic was not expected to be Vidic.

This is true. Fergie described the signing of both Evra and Vidic as not the main event, or words to that effect.

That main event turned out to be Carrick.

 

[LilRicky]

Over the last season and up to now.

To be fair, Madrid fans are utterly spoiled! The boo their own players and abuse them over the slightest mishap. I don't think I need to divulge into a long list of names here as its well known how they carry on.

 

[berbasloth4]

I myself think he is overrated but thats just my opinion, what makes football enjoyable..


On another note, i wonder how quickly it will take him to become overrated on here when he signs his new madrid contract.. utter meltdown lol

 

[sullydnl]

If Madrid fans had done the same when they signed Ronaldo of us they would have got pages worth of "Lazy and bad attitude," "selfish" etc etc posts. Football fans are never happy with what they've got.

That's true, it did remind me of some of the very extreme criticism Rooney gets sometimes.

Still, it at least adds a bit of context to the arguments we're having here. The faults we're throwing up (inconsistency, rashness, not amazing defensively, overrated, etc.) have been noted by at least some Madrid fans too. It's also fair to say that this was also the opinion of a large part of the caf before we were ever linked with Ramos, I've seen him being called overrated an awful lot on here.

I don't think it should be too surprising that some people have reservations with all that considered.

 

[Sherzad]

 

[RooneyLegend]

The sort of money being bandied about for him is ridiculous. Who do we think he is? Baresi? So many defenders I'd have before considering him. He's just not that good a defender.

 

[carvajal]

Although some of you think that is not a good source I share anyway,

"talking clear/in confidence, Ramos is out of Madrid"

 

[Kevin]

Although some of you think that is not a good source I share anyway,

"talking clear/in confidence, Ramos is out of Madrid"

You can see why it is crap. Just earlier today you posted a tweet from them saying he is staying.

 

[jojojo]

Now, I found it here:

http://realmadridistas.net/real-madrid-players/el-rambo-sergio-ramos

That thread's been running for three years and has 500 posts. Ours has gone over 2000 in less than two weeks. We've got even more space for negative reactions than they have.

 

[carvajal]

You can see why it is crap. Just earlier today you posted a tweet from them saying he is staying.

The tweet before was saying that the president wants him to stay. Maybe he is totally decided to leave, what honestly would be a surprise for me

 

[jojojo]

You can see why it is crap. Just earlier today you posted a tweet from them saying he is staying.

The story they are going with is that Perez asked Ramos to stay but Ramos has now rejected another offer.

The reason for seeing the show as suspect on this is that they are being fed the story by one side (the Madrid board) and are spinning it to be all Ramos' fault. They also claim Madrid have rejected a 50m Euro offer for him.

Meanwhile other journalists are saying a big chunk of the problem with Ramos' contract is that Perez won't talk directly to Ramos. Which Ramos is interpreting as Perez preparing the ground for a PR campaign against him, and therefore that he might as well leave.