The British courts will likely uphold her appeal against the Home Secretary's ruling which means it could, if the Home Office digs its heels in, be bogged down for some time before a decision is made. The Human Rights may come into play here because of the child so my guess is that after a suitable time has passed, she'll be back in Blighty and people will be saying "Shamima who?"
Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK
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The British courts will likely uphold her appeal against the Home Secretary's ruling which means it could, if the Home Office digs its heels in, be bogged down for some time before a decision is made. The Human Rights may come into play here because of the child so my guess is that after a suitable time has passed, she'll be back in Blighty and people will be saying "Shamima who?"
This is probably what will happen.
Though she's arguably made it more difficult for herself plastering herself on the news with these interviews. If she had made her way back without the media parade, then it would've been dealt with by the appropriate authorities.
Agree, she said herself in her latest interview that she knows of people that have gone back. She doesn't seem to be very smart at all or has been given really bad advice, she was better of just keeping her mouth shut.
That's the truth de jure. But the truth de facto is that the UN simply cannot force the nuclear nation-states to comply, especially if the US, UK, Russia, China all support each other on this specific issue. The US and UK lawyers will make up some crackpot legal excuse, China will just ignore and Russia will tell the UN to feck itself.
Fair point, to be honest.
There’s now a 2nd woman come forward trying to repatriate to the US from ISIS.
46 year old US-Canadian dual citizen.
Wonder who's going to win the race to strip her of her citizenship. Intense race coming up.
Try r/islaam. There might be the occasional one who'll try to defend them.
What's the craic with that place? I just had a look and saw a post on why camel urine is good and another discussion about whether Saudi Arabia is a good place to live. I can't tell if it's a spoof or just what looks like a lot of people constantly disagreeing with each other about strange topics.
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The actual one is r/islam, r/islaam broke away because r/islam is populated by "liberal" muslims. I think some of them are trolls but most of them are just extremists.
Edit: just to add the meme thread is r/izlam
We’re gonna win the race, she’s gonna go to Canada, then we will get our much needed northern border wall. Gotta keep out those pesky Canadians.
I read that she left the UK with her sister's passport? How would she get back without a passport? I'd honestly let her back to face a trial, obviously she'd have to walk from Syria to do so.
Interesting...
Can't say the same myself unfortunately.
Read through my posting history in this thread and try tell me with any integrity that he wasn't trying to mischaracterise my point from the very beginning and that I didn't take the time to explain my position very clearly [I even apologised on the occasion I got annoyed by his complete lack of acknowledgement of my core points]; I also didn't seem to have any quarrels with any other posters and ended several interactions amicably with members who held different positions to mine. I didn't see the likes of @oates get accused of excusing terrorists - only me for some reason. And I'm the one that's been probing at him is it? He even had the audacity to attack my character afterwards [fully aware that I had already apologised] and he's supposed to be a mod; obviously not familiar with forum rules. Then you decided to jump in too giving me the same shit. All a bit distasteful, but you want to defend your mate's honour - whatever. I am slightly ashamed to lose my cool cos that's not my style, but you two really are something.
Don't even bother responding to this @ivaldo cos I really can't be arsed with the hypocrisy. I only took the moment for this post cos I don't want to be painted in shades that are not representative of reality. The truth is there for everyone to read.
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Are you trying to parody someone?
What annoys me most is that these psychopaths are acting as if they're the victims, and to think there are liberals (as well-intentioned as they may be) who give extensive moral currency to them just goes to show that regressive liberalism is indeed a thing and a legitimate problem that needs fixing.
We mustn't forget who the actual victims are.
Are you iluvurmummy? Because I swear I've seen you apologizing before for choosing an offensive username and for colorful language and then blame it on drunken stupor. I don't have any issues though, cheers
I find it sad how little focus has been on the son she has who will now be growing up with a stateless mother in a refugee camp. Is he not a UK citizen?
He is, per the reports I’ve read. Whatever happens her (say she’s stuck there) then he’ll still be allowed in to Britain, if she allows it.
The Saudi Arabia situation in Yemen is a far cry from Isis ideological genocide whilst screaming "there is only one religion". From what I understand the Saudi's are part of a coalition who are quashing a rebellion where they have picked a side. Isis simply want to take over Syria and Iraq whilst murdering ALL other groups who don't believe. This includes selling into slavery and other barbaric acts like genocide. You are conflating too different actions, not that I support the Saudi's mind.
I did not say I support selling weapons to the Saudi's I am stating this is an argument that will be put forward.
ISIS aimed to take over the world and either slaughter or enslave anyone that didn't adhere to their barbaric medieval observation of Islam. They practiced in the ethnic cleansing of the Yazidi people by slaughtering the men and raping the women to destroy their ethnic bloodline. This is because they have their own religion and ethnic identity. This is how they would have treated any group they deemed to be 'impure' should their expansionist aims have come to fruition.
The enslaved, raped and tortured men, women and children. They were of a different order of magnitude, ideologically and practically, to any other type of 'evil' we have seen in a long time.
Is she currently the most hated person in the UK? She doesn’t help herself to be honest.
She's like a character from Four Lions come to life.
Because a politician after headlines is unilaterally deciding to do it. They could do it to nearly anyone if they wanted. We have courts to prevent potential abuses of power and this should be a legal not political decision.
Wouldn't surprise me if she will use her son (and his well-being/education/health) to put pressure on the UK to let her back in alongside him.
Yup, i am a remorseful soul me
joined up on New Year's Eve so you can understand that I probably weren't, erm, sober ahem.I wonder what her life would even be like back in the UK. She has done everything she can to make people know who she is and what awful things she has done and believes in. She would have to have a team of people watching her for the safety of the public and another team of people protecting her from them. How would she get a job etc.
Job? The slapper is a Jihadi bride, most of which conveniently hates everything about the West except our welfare system.
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Reading the background stories of these girls, I can't help but think their parents are inadvertently at fault for their brainwashing.
That Hoda Muthana girl's father gave an interview where he expressed shock that she had joined ISIS and how she had shamed her family honor. But he mentioned that he had brought her up in a strictly religious environment even in Alabama, in that the women of his household weren't allowed to drive, post pics on social media or interact with men/boys. I think such an extreme upbringing has an impact in pushing these girls to the next logical step - terrorist sympathizers.
Denying comforts enjoyed by ordinary teens to these girls on the pretext of a strict religious upbringing naturally ostracizes them from a normal life. They probably consider the ideologies of ISIS and other such organizations as a logical conclusion of their beliefs.
That Hoda Muthana girl's father gave an interview where he expressed shock that she had joined ISIS and how she had shamed her family honor. But he mentioned that he had brought her up in a strictly religious environment even in Alabama, in that the women of his household weren't allowed to drive, post pics on social media or interact with men/boys. I think such an extreme upbringing has an impact in pushing these girls to the next logical step - terrorist sympathizers.
Denying comforts enjoyed by ordinary teens to these girls on the pretext of a strict religious upbringing naturally ostracizes them from a normal life. They probably consider the ideologies of ISIS and other such organizations as a logical conclusion of their beliefs.
On summary I have mixed feelings. I don't feel she is special in that she should have any different experience to the other returnee jihadists although 100 have also been stripped buy 350 have been allowed to return here also. That said, she is completely unrepentant, still very much committed, not that loyal or fussed about GB and I don't trust our authorities to deal with her properly
Given that she chose to join ISIS you can safely assume that her aspirations will be to live off the state, never leave the house and have as many children as physically possible.
Which makes me wonder what will happen to her dutch jihadi husband, presumably there is absolutely nil chance of him ever getting into the UK.
The husband has been sentenced to six years in the Netherlands already apparently.
My thoughts exactly. No normal teen would think about joining a terrorist organization at the age of 15 if not brought up in a strict religious environment. I imagine her parents were telling her on a daily basis how all her schoolmates are sinners and how they all deserve punishment etc.
See, this is one area where I agree with the hardliners here about the need for more severe punishment. Both are followers/sympathizers, but he was a fighter and very likely partook in the slave trade as well, depending on the timeline. 6 years in prison plus chance for early parole seems like a slap on the wrist, and I’m no fan of the prison system.
The reason why 78% of the people polled in this country are supportive of revoking her citizenship and bypassing due process (the investigation, prosecution, trial & conviction part) is because they find the process both ineffective and too lenient. And they are right, sadly. Change is needed.
Must admit at first I didn’t want her back here but my wife made some pretty good points which were - she’s not the first ‘traitor’ to be let back into their home country and rehabilitated - UK has let plenty of more greater threats back into the country and no one has batted an eyelid, secondly she was in effect ‘groomed’ - her age and the brainwashed personality she still displays now shows something isn’t quite right in her head and she’s psychologically been damaged, thirdly by washing our hands of her we are making her someone else’s problem and if all nations began to operate like that .. disputes would arise as to who is responsible for dealing with problem individuals like this and would lead to administrative chaos , fourthly by taking her back we can guarantee she will face punishment and jail time, fifth - serial murderers and paedos who commit just as bad if not worse crimes are taken care of by the state - what’s makes her such an exceptional case to them?
Finally point was made that the conservatives have taken this so called hard stance to take people’s minds of Brexit and win over the right wing populace knowing full well that they’re most likely going to be overturned on appeal by the courts - so that way they can blame the courts if she is let back in.
Finally point was made that the conservatives have taken this so called hard stance to take people’s minds of Brexit and win over the right wing populace knowing full well that they’re most likely going to be overturned on appeal by the courts - so that way they can blame the courts if she is let back in.
6 years for a genocidal, murdering, slaver, torturering, terrorist, fanatic? These laws are fecked