Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK

This seems to be the relevant law - British Nationality Act 1981

Presumably the government is leaning on this bit:

"(2) The Secretary of State may by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good...

...The Secretary of State may not make an order under subsection (2) if he is satisfied that the order would make a person stateless...

...But that does not prevent the Secretary of State from making an order under subsection (2) to deprive a person of a citizenship status if—

(a)the citizenship status results from the person's naturalisation,

(b)the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, any of the Islands, or any British overseas territory, and

(c)the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able, under the law of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom, to become a national of such a country or territory."
 
That'sHernandez said:
Disgraceful decision, Sajid Javid should be ashamed of himself.
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What because you would prefer we pay hard earned tax payers money for a terrorist? And would like to play happy families with someone who might cut your mums head off?

If you feel that way please can you go help her out in another country and please don't come back.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Gun to head...boom would be fairly neat.
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Then you open the door to the Government killing its citizens (even if they are trying to sweep her under the carpet) which doesn’t happen in this country anymore. Most likely the family will sue, so no neat ending.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
She's been left stateless mate, Bangladesh have no reason to accept her. This isn't the neat bow to the end of the story.
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She is not stateless. She is a state and should rot in her hell hole. She choose to go there, suck it up you sociopathic waste of space should be the loud and clear message.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Then you open the door to the Government killing its citizens (even if they are trying to sweep her under the carpet) which doesn’t happen in this country anymore. Most likely the family will sue, so no neat ending.
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Shes a terrorist...there should be no rule book for terrorists.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
What because you would prefer we pay hard earned tax payers money for a terrorist? And would like to play happy families with someone who might cut your mums head off?

If you feel that way please can you go help her out in another country and please don't come back.
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No. I want her to return to the country so she can face appropriate judicial processes and be rehabilitated. I don’t want another terrorist in the world giving birth to more future terrorists and further perpetuating the cycle.

Sorry I don’t believe two wrongs make a right.
 
Tommy said:
Yeah killing a teenage girl isn't going to cause a backlash at all. Nope.
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What like the backlash from the bombs on tubes and buses in London, or the backlash in Manchester or the one running down people on the streets throughout Europe.

Her family were lucky to get invited into this country. We did her family a MASSIVE favour. They won the world lottery and her response was to say fcuk you and your help I want to see you all die.

Literally how can you defend this person. Wake up
 
Did she actually say the bombing attack in Manchester was justified? This woman seeks like a massive national security threat.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
What like the backlash from the bombs on tubes and buses in London, or the backlash in Manchester or the one running down people on the streets throughout Europe.

Her family were lucky to get invited into this country. We did her family a MASSIVE favour. They won the world lottery and her response was to say fcuk you and your help I want to see you all die.

Literally how can you defend this person. Wake up
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Ah do one, you’re as bad as the leaders and participants in the likes of Al Qaeada and Daesh, it’s the exact same mentality.
 
That'sHernandez said:
No. I want her to return to the country so she can face appropriate judicial processes and be rehabilitated. I don’t want another terrorist in the world giving birth to more future terrorists and further perpetuating the cycle.

Sorry I don’t believe two wrongs make a right.
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She can't be rehabilitated. She is a terrorist who believes we should all die. She is a sociopath unaffected by heads in dustbins.

She left our country and now she can do one. We should find her coordinates and bomb the hell out of it, because you can guarantee that area is surrounded by terrorist sympathisers.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
She can't be rehabilitated. She is a terrorist who believes we should all die. She is a sociopath unaffected by heads in dustbins.

She left our country and now she can do one. We should find her coordinates and bomb the hell out of it, because you can guarantee that area is surrounded by terrorist sympathisers.
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Yeah great idea, bomb a load of refugees. Do you not see the irony in your posts?
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
What like the backlash from the bombs on tubes and buses in London, or the backlash in Manchester or the one running down people on the streets throughout Europe.

Her family were lucky to get invited into this country. We did her family a MASSIVE favour. They won the world lottery and her response was to say fcuk you and your help I want to see you all die.

Literally how can you defend this person. Wake up
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I'm not defending her, but anyone who doesn't see that making a martyr out of a "teenage girl who believed in the idea of a place where Muslims could be true to their beliefs" * actually has no place in civilized discussion.

(* that's how it'd be painted by some - not how I see it).
 
That'sHernandez said:
Ah do one, you’re as bad as the leaders and participants in the likes of Al Qaeada and Daesh, it’s the exact same mentality.
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How is it? No one in our country heads off cutting off peoples heads on mass in the name of Britain or blowing up kids in a concert or people going about their day.

I have a no nonsense attitude to terrorism. I'm not saying we should treat all criminals the same, but this is the worst form of terrorism the world has seen.
 
Tommy said:
I'm not defending her, but anyone who doesn't see that making a martyr out of a "teenage girl who believed in the idea of a place where Muslims could be true to their beliefs" * actually has no place in civilized discussion.

(* that's how it'd be painted by some - not how I see it).
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Well then for many reasons those people are best off getting out of country. So passport or not they need kicking out.
 
Runner said:
Did she actually say the bombing attack in Manchester was justified? This woman seeks like a massive national security threat.
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Then why couldn't we just bring her back, give her child to the grandparents and then lock her up in Belmarsh indefinitely? The cost of jailing her here would be significantly less than the bribe we'd have to pay Bangladesh if they agree to take her.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
How is it? No one in our country heads off cutting off peoples heads on mass in the name of Britain or blowing up kids in a concert or people going about their day.

I have a no nonsense attitude to terrorism. I'm not saying we should treat all criminals the same, but this is the worst form of terrorism the world has seen.
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Sorry, I won’t negotiate with terrorists.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Well then for many reasons those people are best off getting out of country. So passport or not they need kicking out.
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Kick them out where, exactly? Let me guess - We should do a charity drive to raise enough money for a few rubber dinghy's & just push them out to sea, right?
 
Tommy said:
Kick them out where, exactly? Let me guess - We should do a charity drive to raise enough money for a few rubber dinghy's & just push them out to sea, right?
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Bring back the death penalty and have a rule that all with known links to terrorism shall suffer immediate death....problem solved.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Bring back the death penalty and have a rule that all with known links to terrorism shall suffer immediate death....problem solved.
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So like ISIS where people were beheaded for their beliefs without trial? And who exactly are the terrorists here?

surely you’re on a wind up now?
 
RedTiger said:
Then why couldn't we just bring her back, give her child to the grandparents and then lock her up in Belmarsh indefinitely? The cost of jailing her here would be significantly less than the bribe we'd have to pay Bangladesh if they agree to take her.
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The cost of prison is massive. We just need to bring back the death penalty. We are not a charity. If someone has committed crime that is bad enough for them to never be released they should just be put to death.
 
Runner said:
When I was 15 I would go to the park to sniff glue and do a bit of fingering. Not fly half way across the world to join a terrorist organisation.
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When you were 15 were you groomed online by an international terrorist organization though?
 
That'sHernandez said:
Great argument. Fight terrorists with terrorism, that’ll eradicate terrorism from the world!
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Pretty much....what do you think everyone is doing in Syria...shooting and killing till the virus is eliminated. Those captured are an unnecessary distraction. Take no prisoners.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
The cost of prison is massive. We just need to bring back the death penalty. We are not a charity. If someone has committed crime that is bad enough for them to never be released they should just be put to death.
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Fun fact - The death penalty in the US typically costs more than life in prison, due to all the legal process associated with it...

... But let me guess, you'd skip all that & just shoot them without trial, right?
 
2cents said:
This seems to be the relevant law - British Nationality Act 1981

Presumably the government is leaning on this bit:

"(2) The Secretary of State may by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good...

...The Secretary of State may not make an order under subsection (2) if he is satisfied that the order would make a person stateless...

...But that does not prevent the Secretary of State from making an order under subsection (2) to deprive a person of a citizenship status if—

(a)the citizenship status results from the person's naturalisation,

(b)the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, any of the Islands, or any British overseas territory, and

(c)the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able, under the law of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom, to become a national of such a country or territory."
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Part or paragraph b also reads like an option.
 
Tommy said:
Fun fact - The death penalty in the US typically costs more than life in prison, due to all the legal process associated with it...

... But let me guess, you'd skip all that & just shoot them without trial, right?
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Exactly...people try to inject way to much political correctness to every dimension. Terrorism should have its own bucket where the rules are different. Naturally you need a certain level of proof, I'm not against that, but the burden of proof for terrorism should be based on the greater good. I.e. if you are closely linked to terrorists you risk being killed if there is anyway to show you reasonably ought to have known they were terrorists.
 
Mozza said:
Ooh you're hard
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Nothing to do with that. I'm just no nonsense, no pansy fairy cake bullshit for terrorists.

In fact I'll even own it in a snowflake like way and say if there is a risky to mumsy then sorry terrorist you are getting your head shot off.
 
MJJ said:
To those that are saying give her a trial, what would that achieve? We already know she is a terrorist.
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Because that’s how the justice system works. Innocent until proven guilty.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Exactly...people try to inject way to much political correctness to every dimension. Terrorism should have its own bucket where the rules are different. Naturally you need a certain level of proof, I'm not against that, but the burden of proof for terrorism should be based on the greater good. I.e. if you are closely linked to terrorists you risk being killed if there is anyway to show you reasonably ought to have known they were terrorists.
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& when your supposed burden of truth is posthumously found to have been a mistake, then what? You've killed innocent men/women/children for what... Britannia? & you've made it several times worse by (potentially) making very powerful martyrs out of them. It's like landing a smack to be hit back with a brick... But your response would be then to stab back, right? At which point, we'd be shot, etc, etc. It's a stupid cycle that wouldn't end.

We can't risk making martyrs here. We can't kill her, that much is just common sense.
 
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