Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United

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For Next Season:

--------Carrick------Scholes/Cleverley-------

Valencia--------Kagawa-------Nani

------------Rooney-------------

Lets play Tiki-taka.
 
Art said:
I'm going to do the usual R2D2 routine here -


Our main attacking formation next season might look something like this -

------------------------Welbeck--------------------------

--Kagawa---------------Rooney-------------Nani-------


---------------Carrick--------Scholes------------------



With option 2 being


---------------------Rooney--------------------


--Young-----------Kagawa------------Valencia--



-----------Cleverly---------new CM-----------


All these formations look pretty awesome and stuff but it really gets ugly with the injuries, and you look at the team line up with Park and Giggs in CM :(. Hope that doesn't happen next season.
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Option 2 is my first option. Why would you want Kagawa on the wings when we have three specialist wingers?!
 
antohan said:
You may be on to something here. His scoring and assist stats are great but his pass, tackling and crossing success don't make good reading. Indicates a flashy, effective but often wasteful player, which is probably not far from VdV.

The upside in my eyes is that VDV at 21 was the Ajax captain and as hyped as Hazard if not more so, while Kagawa was playing in the Japanese second division. If you extrapolate that trajectory, while VDV never got much better, this guy is clearly improving at an astonishing rate.

The difference is application, discipline and hard work, and everything (his background/culture, the way he has gone about this whole thing, etc.) indicates that can be expected of him.

I will happily wait to see the player everyone seems to be expecting while having VdV in the meantime. Not bad at all.
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Yeah, I agree about that.
 
RDCR07 said:
Option 2 is my first option. Why would you want Kagawa on the wings when we have three specialist wingers?!
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That trio of Nani,Wazza and Kagawa can be interchangeable. All three players can play in either ones position. Wreak fecking havoc :devil:

Also because I am a huge fan of Welbeck and would like to accommodate him somehow because the more number of games he get the faster he's going improve.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
He actually reminds me a lot of a young Pablo Aimar with that passing range, the dribbling and the tricks and flicks. Looks to have a bit more pace to him than Aimar did though.

edit - needs to add some long-range screamers to his game though ;)
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Much more of an end product player than Aimar, who is more about the tempo and retaining the ball.
 
Cold_Boy said:
For Next Season:

--------Carrick------Scholes/Cleverley-------

Valencia--------Kagawa-------Nani

------------Rooney-------------

Lets play Tiki-taka.
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You need Welbeck in there for the Tiki-taka style. Him, Cleverly and Nani are the main ones for that style. I don't think Valencia is suitable to the quick one-twos in small spaces. This would work better.

-----Carrick--------Cleverly---------
Nani-------Kagawa------Welbeck----
-----------Rooney------------------
 
antohan said:
You may be on to something here. His scoring and assist stats are great but his pass, tackling and crossing success don't make good reading. Indicates a flashy, effective but often wasteful player, which is probably not far from VdV.

The upside in my eyes is that VDV at 21 was the Ajax captain and as hyped as Hazard if not more so, while Kagawa was playing in the Japanese second division. If you extrapolate that trajectory, while VDV never got much better, this guy is clearly improving at an astonishing rate.

The difference is application, discipline and hard work, and everything (his background/culture, the way he has gone about this whole thing, etc.) indicates that can be expected of him.

I will happily wait to see the player everyone seems to be expecting while having VdV in the meantime. Not bad at all.
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I'm not sure if a player's improvement works upon those lines but you're right, he has had an absolutely meteoric rise. To go from Japanese league 2 to twice Bundesliga champion to almost United player in such a short time frame in incredible. He is also at the age where you would think he can still make huge improvements and strides so we may have an excellent player both now and in years to come
 
This better not break down. My password at work was expiring so I just changed it to Kagawa7 :drool:
 
Just waiting for a "Manchester United huge favourites to seal Kagawa deal" thread from Niall.
 
Treble said:
IMO, he's about van der Vaart level, probably slightly worse than the latter. At the same age (23) VDV was a bigger star in the Bundesliga. He could progress in his development better than VDV though, who knows. Personally, I'm not sure that he could improve our attacking play significantly. Would be a very good option to have though.
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I can't see the comparison. VDV, although playing in an advanced position is just completely different in his play...

Also does this mean you've watched kagawa quite a bit?
 
EricaNo7 said:
Is it still an if? i hope this one doesn't fall through
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Not really, all the signs are pointing towards us signing him! But I still like to be a little reserved until it's actually confirmed by the club.
 
He's with Japan, so it's understandably a bit delayed. Presumably he hasn't even had a medical yet, so it can't be confirmed before then.
 
Yeah, Japan have their last match on June 8th, so we should hear something shortly after that.
 
Ekeke said:
Much more of an end product player than Aimar, who is more about the tempo and retaining the ball.
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Definitely a discussion for another thread, but Aimar is all about assists and end product, or at least he was at his prime. Even now at 32 and unable to play full games he's got 9 assists in 24 league appearances, which is the same number as Iniesta has got in 27 for Barcelona this season. Obviously I'm not saying he's anywhere near as good as Iniesta (it's a weaker league for a start), I'm just using Iniesta as a comparison because he's the kind of player who is is widely touted to have a good end-product (except for goals mind)

I'm sticking by my comparison, at the same age there are a lot of comparisons in playing style (through balls, tricks, dribbling). As I said though, Kagawa seems to be quicker and, from his stats, seems to have more of an eye for goal. Really excited for this signing :)
 
After watching those videos of him, I honestly get the feeling that this guy is better equiped than Hazard to make it in the prem. He looks a real treat, looking forward to seeing him in a United shirt. (If he signs of course)
 
Summit said:
After watching those videos of him, I honestly get the feeling that this guy is better equiped than Hazard to make it in the prem. He looks a real treat, looking forward to seeing him in a United shirt. (If he signs of course)
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Hazard will be fantastic in the prem but Kagawa fits our needs much better.
 
2Bullish said:
Hazard will be fantastic in the prem but Kagawa fits our needs much better.
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Hazard most probably will. But you could argue that the Bundesliga is a much better league than Ligue 1 and Kagawa stats are still well up there.
 
Well, only if the border of racism, isn't close to racism.

Underrating his talent, or believing he's only being brought to sell shirts is at worst a sign of ignorance, not racism. Even then Moston was saying that regardless of his talent, which is at the very least decent, he will also raise commercial oppertunities as well, which isn't wrong either, because he obviously will do.
 
Summit said:
Hazard most probably will. But you could argue that the Bundesliga is a much better league than Ligue 1 and Kagawa stats are still well up there.
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All fair, however stats are also dependent on the quality of your team mates, and strikers. As an example Valencia's stats increased when he moved to United.
 
Sultan said:
All fair, however stats are also dependent on the quality of your team mates, and strikers. As an example Valencia's stats increased when he moved to United.
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Indeed but Hazard played for champions of France that finished 3rd last season. They don't look as good as Dortmund on paper but they were still a very solid side. Only last season he played with the likes of Gervinho and Cabaye.
 
He does have great commercial value, ffs. Anyone who argues otherwise is a tit.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What are you on about? We don't even have anyone that fits that description at the club.
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Anderson and Park . Anderson hasn't exactly become a "defensive midfielder" but he's not the explosive player he was in his Porto days. It's the same with Park. He's been very very good for us in the role he plays but it's not the Park we all saw at PSV.
 
wr8_utd said:
Anderson and Park . Anderson hasn't exactly become a "defensive midfielder" but he's not the explosive player he was in his Porto days.
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Young player fails to deliver on hype/potential. Shock horror. Naff all to do with turning him into a "defensive" anything.

It's the same with Park. He's been very very good for us in the role he plays but it's not the Park we all saw at PSV.
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The Park we've seen put in goal-scoring all-action performances in plenty of big games (most frequently against Arsenal) is exactly the player we all saw at PSV. The only difference is that when you're talking about what "we all saw at PSV", you're talking about the only games 99% of us actually watched i.e. a handful of CL games.
 
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