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Shinji Kagawa
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Oh aye.
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A nice run into the box was spotted by Hasebe, Shinji squared the ball to Kudo for a simple tap in when one on one with the goalie. Cool assist. Had a great shot deflected over by a defender. Good performance overall.
His quick interchange with teammates, especially after Honda coming on, tore the opponent apart. It's just Guatemala though.
A nice run into the box was spotted by Hasebe, Shinji squared the ball to Kudo for a simple tap in when one on one with the goalie. Cool assist. Had a great shot deflected over by a defender. Good performance overall.
His quick interchange with teammates, especially after Honda coming on, tore the opponent apart. It's just Guatemala though.
He struggled.. with injuries
That said he did find it difficult to impose himself on high tempo games, but that's part of the settling process- he's a class player coming into his prime now, once he's upto speed Moyes will pick him, unless for some reason we need a defensive specialist in his position.
Why dont you offer something? All you do is critisize, and insult because you have nothing else to offer.
What are the facts then?
Where are the facts that state Kagawa is EPL proven, and that Moyes favours him, I am with Shark and Sarni on this one, I dont think Moyes rates him in his preferred set up?
I think you are the one who parrots a cafe opinion on him based upon the excitement surrounding his signing. He has done nothing in the EPL to warrant a starting berth over Welbeck, Valencia, or any other midfielder bar Young. Thats how the EPL is these days, a lot of players who dont hit the ground running do get left out.
So Fellaini is a now an attacking wide player. I think those webcam websites, have had a detrimental effect on your vision.
He has been injured but he has also had a lot of time to perform as well. I dont doubt his class, but theres a difference between being a class player and being in the set -up of a certain manager in a certain team in certain league. I found the likening to Berbatov boggling, since Berbatov had proven his class for years at Spurs before coming to United.
I think that position is Rooney's whenever he plays and thus Kagawa will have to adapt. No reason why he cant play well from the left though, its not as if he'd be asked to play as a winger anyways.
Kagawa isnt top drawer if you judge him based on what he's shown at United only. For Dortmund, he was sensational. His success here would depend a lot on how Moyes can use him rather than his quality as a player. His fitness and the players he play with will also play a huge part.
I was a huge admirer of Berba but he never was among the best strikers around, Kagawa is among the best No 10s around, unfortunately that position here is taken and it remains to be seen how well he adapts/performs in a slightly different role.
The last part I dont agree with at all simply because there's nothing to base it on. We'll see.
Depends on which Kagawa you're talking about. Him at Dortmund, definitely. Him for us? Nope.
I actually think he may be used a lot more in Europe this season, think he could be a key figure for you there.
He had 2 world class passes over the defense today. Had RVP been at end the of those, then they would surely have ended up in the net. More of that, Shinji!
He looked otherwise good, but so did the rest of Japan. Guatemala were absolutely dire and could rarely keep the ball for longer than 5 seconds. Definitely one of the worst opponents Japan has had over the last 3 years or so. The only worse team I can come up with, is Tajikistan.
He looked otherwise good, but so did the rest of Japan. Guatemala were absolutely dire and could rarely keep the ball for longer than 5 seconds. Definitely one of the worst opponents Japan has had over the last 3 years or so. The only worse team I can come up with, is Tajikistan.
Your definition of world class is far too lax, on that showing world class would apply to countless players and I don't agree with the watering down of that term. He was a top class player, but not world class, even at Dortmund.
Thing is, you can only go on what hes shown for United, because a new league, new team and new manager almost is akin to a new player, as a lot of the bits that made him so good have changed. There is more to being class players than just themselves being class.
Hasebe played really well too. And I like the style of Kakitani a lot, bright future ahead.
4 games into the season, and we have had to play Swansea away, Chelsea and Liverpool- Kagawa has only made 3 appearances including the pre-season matches (2 of those were as a sub, if I recall) and the match vs Sevilla he looked like he was well off the pace, it makes sense to hold him back until he finds his sharpness. It's only footballogic that dictates that Moyes doesn't rate him as a player because of it.
A discussion about world class will be really pointless so lets not go there but you really consider Berba as striker more world class (however you define it) than Kagawa as a No 10 at Dortmund?
Agree with Rob here, Kagawa has never been world class. World class means maintaining your level for a few seasons across different teams. While Kagawa is more than decent for Japan, I won't say he looks world class there. Neither does he at United. At Dortmund he was brilliant, but even then I'd stop short of calling him world class. Here's to hoping that it all changes this year.
From Moyes not fancying him, to being a key in figure in Europe. You really have no opinions on Kagawa at all. Just parrot clichés just to justify your existence on this thread.
Yeah Guatemala offered f*** all, and were all over the place in defence.
Who do you prefer to play in the CF position in the WC next year? Okazaki is the obvious choice but I think Kakitani has a shout too.
Thing is, no one mentioned world-class, in reference to Kagawa. It was referring to Berbatov, yet webcam rob decided to use that straw man in reference to Kagawa with the predictable emoticon.
Let's continue that discussion in this thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/japan-a-future-football-powerhouse.368999/
You need to justify your existence in these forums, because once more you are offering nothing on the subject matter, just picking holes in certain peoples writing. Why do the others manage to discuss this without trying to insult or criticize but you can't?
Have you never considered that certain players are used in certain competitions? Ie cups, or Europe where teams or playing styles may differ.
I happen to think Kagawa may be more used in Europe where unlocking tight away defences may be important than being big and strong.
Exactly. There were other factors why Berba didnt work here but unlike Veron's case, it wasnt a case of one of the best players in the position not working out which is why the Kagawa-Berba comparisons dont really fit. The price too.
I dont get it, why do we need our left winger that'l be playing very centrally to be big and strong specially when now we have a strong central core behind them? I dont see any reason why Kagawa would be less suited to that role to the players we play there atm.
Because playing Valencia, Welbeck, Rooney, Nani seems to me to be the reliable option, one that I believe Moyes will choose from in the league, even if you may think Kagawa is better than Valencia, and with Fellani sitting back.
No, I know, but Im listing the midfield/wingers I believe Moyes prefers, not just those competing with Kagawa.
Who would you make-way then? Welbeck?
Who would you make-way then? Welbeck?
Yep.
Kagawa on the left playing centrally really, Rooney behind RVP and Nani on the right.
Who'd the preferred attacking 3 for Chelsea be this season? Or are you playing the same Hazard-Oscar-Schurrle trio in every game? Poor Mata.
See I cant see him dropping Welbeck for big matches at present. Welbeck has shown me enough recently ( not his finishing admittedly) to make me think he will stick with him, especially in the tougher bigger games.
Yes they did, Varun didnow who can't read?
Please show me where he did. I also see you have edited your post or at least the emoticon in an attempt to soften that post. I presume you have transferred the
to this post.Oscar, Schurrle, and Hazard it would seem, but thats my point, sometimes a class player can end up out of favour due to playing styles.
Please show me where he did. I also see you have edited your post or at least the emoticon in an attempt to soften that post. I presume you have transferred the
Ok if you need to be shown here you go.
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Does that mean you think Kagawa is world class ? If so, I cannot agree.
Varun then replied withDepends on which Kagawa you're talking about. Him at Dortmund, definitely. Him for us? Nope.
That was actually the first time I mentioned the term 'world class' before that I used 'top drawer' so I did not use it first.
Not that this is particularly pertinent, but if you are going to digress and pick on things then I might as well show you your error.
So he said he had a spell when he was at Dortmund where he was world-class and then you extrapolated that and jumped and responded to another post discussing whether Berbatov was world class so you can gleefully state that Kagawa is not world class with that pathetic piss take emoticon which you have duly edited.
Granted he's not the set the world alight at United but I'd argue he's hasn't really had a proper fair crack at the whip just yet. The fact that he's done it in Dortmund shows me he can do it for United given luck with injuries and given the chance.
As for you comment about Dortmund I'm not sure what you mean, they're a very very good team and he was a big part of that before he left.
Oh I know, I just meant that he has to be aware that he needs to adapt to our way of playing, rather than the other way around. Some people are acting like we are the ones that should be changing our game and building the team around him.
He's still a lot to prove, but I'm going to support him all of the way, as he's clearly a top class talent.
Everything isn't about the premier league though. Kagawa was brilliant for Dortmund.
And where exactly would you get that impression from?
Plus, Berbatov was only more established to people who watched the PL. I'm pretty sure that viewers of La Liga, Bundesliga ect. wouldn't have known an awful lot about him. As the poster above said, everything isn't about the PL.
Last season, with the options up front, Kagawa really needed to hit the ground running . He started the first 6 league games in his preferred position, but on the whole, did not really see his Dortmund form. Then was injured for 2 months.Even after injury, despite a couple of cameos, United still did not see the best of him on a consistent basis due to either non- selection, playing out of position or still feeling his way after a long lay off. When you are going for league titles and CL titles every year the bedding in period in certain positions may not be very long, especially if there is a lot of competition for places. On the surface he is 1 of 8 players competing for 2 spots in the 3 attacking positions behind Van Persie. He will really need to take any opportunities he gets, and up his game for Moyes to be starting him every week.
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