With all due respect to Park, it's like upgrading from a Volvo V50 to a Porsche 911.
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With all due respect to Park, it's like upgrading from a Volvo V50 to a Porsche 911.
Replacing from a player has always been simply a squad member to a player who can be one of our best at the club? I think it's just a bit more then replacing him.
Yep though you always hope that when you replace a player with another that there is an upgrade.
Park was always more than just a squad member (the amount of big matches he played for attests to that). However he declined so much last season that a replacement was needed. I agree that is an upgrade but it's like when we replaced Alan Smith with Michael Carrick in midfield.
Replacing Park with Kagawa?!
More like replacing Scholes with Kagawa ultimately.
More like replacing Scholes with Kagawa ultimately.
Possibly long term. But Scholes hasn't played off a striker in the big games in years, Park/Giggs primarily were.
Park, played off the striker.
I think Rooney will now be playing off the striker
In the big games I think Kagawa will.
I think it will be Kagawa and Rooney alternating between the 'hole role' and the left wing role during games.
They will both be in the hole. DP.
We will tear teams a new hole, and then put Kagawa in that one.
Yeah, I feel like in big games we may see something like this...
Carrick Anderson
Nani Kagawa Rooney
RVP
Nani Kagawa Rooney
RVP
With the front four all interchanging (and the usual back 5).
442
Valencia Cleverley Kagawa Nani
>>>>>>>> Rooney
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RVP
Simples!
Swap Nani for Valencia then thats more or less spot on. Wouldn't be surprised either to have Rooney play as far deep as where Anderson is and opt for Young/Nani on the left.
I think it'll be Nani or Valencia depending on form, but I feel that because of Nani's unpredictability and ability to make something out of nothing, and his fantastic close control and quick passing he would suit that front four better. Maybe put Valencia in at right back
Valencia is a class winger no doubt, but I just always feel like Nani has a higher ceiling than Valencia and there is still more to come from him.
Nah swap Rooney and Kagawa and it makes sense, we wont shove Wayne on the left wing..
Kagawa is far more suited to playing wide and does so internationally, Rooney is just completely wasted there. Compared to his other attributes he's not a great dribbler which is needed out wide IMO.
Kagawa is far more suited to playing wide and does so internationally, Rooney is just completely wasted there. Compared to his other attributes he's not a great dribbler which is needed out wide IMO.
Dunno what this front four all interchanging is about either, we might see some more fluidity, but it's hardly as if Kagawa or Nani will play as the striker while Rooney and RVP go to the wings, would just be completely counter productive.
Is kagawa back from Japan?
I think his whole body is from Japan not just the back.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
I think it was Solius who mentioned it another thread but I could definitely see Kagawa starting some games nominally on the left wing, with Evra overlapping like feck and Kagawa coming infield as he wishes. The old Real Madrid system basically, that had Zidane as a left-sided playmaker who spent his entire game meandering infield as Roberto Carlos overlapped, with figo providing the genuine width on the far side.
Combined with Valencia or Nani hugging the touchline a bit more on the right wing, and one of the strikers pulling wide left alot, it would cause murders on here, with people wondering whether its a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2.
First player in my dream team. I work partially in Germany and they rave about him.
Buzzing to see him play in PL, more excited about it than RvP to be honest.
Same here, no contest.
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Valencia Cleverley Kagawa Nani
>>>>>>>> Rooney
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RVP
Simples!
No defensive cover from midfield. Will get raped.
Well that isn't always how football works actually, it's a far too simplistic view posted on here whenever someone puts out a side that is WAY too attack minded.
One of the best 45 mins I ever saw was United v Spurs, with Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez, Scholes on the pitch.
That team isn't ideal, but a very attack minded team does not always get raped.
Yes that was because we were down 2-0 and we were all out going for it. We needed to get a result. We won't even play that lineup from the start. And it also had to do with the fact that Tottenham buckled under pressure and just gave up.
It doesn't change my point, which is, a team full of attacking players like the one posted can win plenty of football matches. They might not get many clean sheets though.
That argument isn't exactly valid. Yeah, a team full of attacking players can win football matches, but same with a team full of defenders; but the point is it makes it harder to win those matches. Winning matches means you restrict the goals scored by your opponents, and also score more than them. Putting on a team full of attacking players makes one of those jobs more difficult, and by extension making it less likely you are going to win.
Not entirely sure what SAF is going to do with Kagawa though, but personally I'd like to see him play either as the link player behind RVP or from the left. But we don't know yet.
It's totally valid.
A team with:
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[CENTER]Valencia Kagawa Cleverley Nani
Rooney RVP[/CENTER]would win a LOT of football matches. I don't think it's the team to go with and hasn't got great balance, but it definitely wouldn't be certain to be "raped". That's my point and it's very valid.
I think sometimes it is perhaps underrated that we have Ferdinand (hopefully!) and Vidic at centre back. We can afford a little imbalance here and there with players of that quality.
That line up should really shite all over the vast majority of teams in the Premiership.
That line up should really shite all over the vast majority of teams in the Premiership.
I think the only thing(s) you can guarantee is that it would concede and score a feckload of goals. Winning matches would be a toss-up.
But, against a decent team, it would get raped.
There is an entire gamut of possibilities available to us, and we'd should still comfortably win most games in the EPL.
Nonsense, you haven't the first clue if you think that's the case. A "toss up" my arse. You make out as though Tony V, Cleverley etc don't have the first clue on how to defend. They do. And they'd also have a shiteload of posession.
Probably yeah, wouldn't disagree with that.
But against the rest... I'd fancy them.
Just as I'd fancy Barca to beat most if they took out Sergio and stuck in Cesc.
Calm down. I'm sure they aren't clueless about defending, but that was never my point. Attacking minded players are called attacking minded players for a reason: they drift into the final third because that's where they like to be, and that's where they are most effective.
Didn't we play a similar setup against Hannover, and were getting picked off until Anderson came on and we moved Kagawa behind Rooney?
I'd fancy them too, but we'd be more likely to lose than normal.
Against weaker team we could dominate with this line-up.
Most there goals were poor defensive mistakes, nothing that the midfield could do.
Carrick was at fault for 2 of the goals atleast, the cross / header he lost his man and didnt challenge in the air, and the backheel goal in the box carrick didnt pick the runner into the box, and was left standing there by himself.
Im not blaming carrick because its not really his position, but he played the role like a midfielder rather than a defender.
You cannot blame our formation on cleverley / kagawa because carrick couldnt defend properly.
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