WE would get hammered if Giggs and Scholes faced Chelsea
Shinji Kagawa
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He will be more suited to a diamond where he can interchange with Wazza. Once we start to really click with going through the middle rather than pass to winger, cross, rinse repeat he will come more into his own I feel.
I think a mid 3 with Ando or Clev in pushing on to support a front 3 of RVP, Roo and Kags would be frightening.
I think a mid 3 with Ando or Clev in pushing on to support a front 3 of RVP, Roo and Kags would be frightening.
Agreed but wouldn't put it past Fergie as he's tried it before.
It would be a disaster against the young legs of Mikel, Ramires, Hazard, Mata and Oscar. There is no way in hell we could start even one of those two. Cleverley, Anderson and Kagawa have to start that game.
Yeah but against Spurs he tried to do that, playing really wide and playing Giggs left wing, Scholes in the middle, did the same against City last season, dropping young and Valencia to bring in Giggs. Not saying I agree with it, just saying that I could see him trying it and wouldn't be suprised particularly if Giggs doesn't play in the CL.
If thats the case then i hope Giggs get injured so that Fergie don't get the chance to start him again from the beginning.
ffs
King Muppet strikes again.
I've had nothing to do with this.
The Kagster aint happy.
Our inability to break away from the wing play we've been so accustomed too has been a huge factor in this. The weekend was another indication of it with all 4 of our goals coming from crosses into the box.
I still think he should be playing on the left of the front 4 and I'm surprised he's not been used there from the start yet.
I still think he should be playing on the left of the front 4 and I'm surprised he's not been used there from the start yet.
At least it's himself which he isn't happy about
Love the guy.
Doesn't really get a decent look in for the past couple of games and what's he upset abou? Himself and his weaknesses, instead of bitching and moaning about not getting enough chances.
Doesn't really get a decent look in for the past couple of games and what's he upset abou? Himself and his weaknesses, instead of bitching and moaning about not getting enough chances.
There's nothing with crossing the ball though. Realize the goals were symptomatic of what we're actually trying to employ. Simply because a goal doesnt come through the middle of the pitch doesn't mean we're relying on our wing play. They just happened to be the goals we scored. We had chances through the middle but we didnt score them.
Also factor in Welbeck, RVP and Rooney were interchanging positions throughout the match. In doing so, one of them would peel wide at times which simply gave us another angle at attack. Our game against Stoke didn't look to me as if we were hell-bent on playing through the wings. We simply used it as an avenue of attack. With each game, we're getting more varied in our attack. So I'm not sure where this view is coming from in respect to Saturday.
Good - he demands high standards from himself. You don't want a player 10 matches into his career at a new club thinking...'I've made it.'
And it's good that Fergie realizes what his best position is, and that's the reason we went after him...now to somehow workout a lineup, that'll allow him to actually play there
He can't play behind the striker if you wanna play RVP and Rooney together.Rooney is just so good since he came back from injury that Kagawa cannot threaten that behind-the-striker position.
That's why SAF is looking at alternative ways of playing (and getting the best of) Kagawa.It's not a easy to get the best out of everyone
That's why SAF is looking at alternative ways of playing (and getting the best of) Kagawa.It's not a easy to get the best out of everyone
No. Especially when you have bought players who, while being really great players that will definitely strengthen the team, do not play in the positions we actually needed reinforcements in.
I think he can play behind the strikers at the head of the diamond if decide to go that route.
RVP Rooney
Kagawa
mid left mid right
holding mid
I would like us to try that is some game. Kagawa
mid left mid right
holding mid
Though I agree that even in a diamond SAF prefers to play Rooney at the head because of his amazing ability to be effective both in attack and in defense.
Going by that logic we never truly needed Kagawa more than an actual CM.There is what we perceive as "needs" from our perspective as fans and there is what the coach knows and does
He could play behind them if we played the diamond, though if you look at how we executed it before it was rooney who was at the tip of the diamond that had to get back alongside carrick/fletcher defensively and although I don't doubt kagawa's work rate I'm not sure on his effectiveness there.
I reckon though we could still executed a 433/4231 with kagawa starting in a wider berth but with freedom to interchange in the same way mata/silva do or even as we saw welbeck, Rooney and rvp did it.
I reckon though we could still executed a 433/4231 with kagawa starting in a wider berth but with freedom to interchange in the same way mata/silva do or even as we saw welbeck, Rooney and rvp did it.
I thought that is what I said.
And I just agree with you.You wanted what ? An argument ?
No I dont want an argument. Are you saying I want an argument? feck you.
well...that escalated quickly
I've actually been surprised at how average/poor his defensive work is. Goes to ground very easily and very rarely wins the ball. According to whoscored he's averaging slightly more tackles in England so he's unlikely to improve much in that sense, I just thought with the engine he has he'd be quite useful defensively.
I think it might take him a while to get that side. He did not really get involved much defensively at Dortmund. Certainly in the games I saw at least.
Asian have that inherent work ethic and loyalty. Kagawa will come extremely good without making a fuss when he's not given enough chances.
Yeah it's not been great, he's got the willingness though and I'm sure as he gets adjusted to the pace and improves his strength a bit he'll get better. Young is pretty slight but he's effective tracking back.
That's partly why I think we should go with more of a 433 or 4231, as it will allow Kagawa/Rooney to play more advanced. the diamond requires them to get in back alongside the deeper player when we're off the ball. We can still get the fluidity etc.
I agree, if we play Scholes+Giggs against that bunch likely they'd tear the midfield apart and dance on the remains
I very much doubt Giggs will be starting on Sunday. Scholes probably will though.
Why not, it is certainly the case with the majority of Japanese.
It's like generalising Swedish girls as hot, and well, I live here, and trust me, a huge majority are.
Meh...Felix Magath said the same thing exactly a month ago
Him and fletcher way off the pace first half
What a cross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is a lot of potential with Kagawa if we can work out how to fit him into our system. Not really working for him at the moment. Good cross though.
knowing our luck injured...back in two weeks
Yeah we're wasting him at the minute and I hope he doesn't end up one of those list of players who get scraps of games here and there, benched and rotated. Technically he's one of our best. Early days still for him though.
Sir Alex just confirmed that Kagawa twisted his knee tonight. fecks sake.
Twisted knee is usually four weeks. Well, that's the case according to FM anyway.
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