Its very good, but its not even his best quality. Klopp mentioned it himself, he is outstanding at joining from deeper and getting into goalscoring positions and he finishes well. Think of Scholes when he was playing in the hole and arriving late to get on the scoresheet. Playing consistantly behind the striker he will do that with the best of them
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Its very good, but its not even his best quality. Klopp mentioned it himself, he is outstanding at joining from deeper and getting into goalscoring positions and he finishes well. Think of Scholes when he was playing in the hole and arriving late to get on the scoresheet. Playing consistantly behind the striker he will do that with the best of them
In my opinion Kagawa is a better #10/CAM than Rooney and that is why Im in favor of playing Kagawa behind the striker and Rooney on the left wing. They can interchange during the game but I prefer Kagawa play the majority of the game behind the striker.
With all due respect, Klopp can get fecked with these comments. Kagawa's our player, we bought him, and Ferguson played him where he saw fit.
Have lost a bit of respect for Klopp, to be honest.
Have lost a bit of respect for Klopp, to be honest.
I wrote 'battering ram', so it's not in the literal sense of the words. I see Rooney is better on holding up defenders, and more creative than van Persie or Hernandez. If we are going to exploit Kagawa's goalscoring ability, Rooney is the man; but if we want Kagawa to be the assist king, van Persie or Hernandez is your man to partner Kagawa up front.
He's just saying it how it is really. He's always been one to tell the truth, and that's why so many people like him. Kagawa's been injured for a few months this season yes, but when he was fit we definitely haven't used him properly. He was a sub plenty of times, and he was almost always on the left wing. There's nothing wrong with his comments. The only problem with the Kagawa situation was that he was never going to consistently play attacking mid because of the way we play, and having Wayne Rooney there. Sir Alex probably intended to change our style to suit those two, but then we ended up buying Van Persie and it kind of screwed over Kagawa, forcing him to play in a position he isn't entirely comfortable in on the left wing. Now that it looks like Wayne is leaving, Kagawa will probably get a more central role for us, and a more important role.
He is just giving his opinion.
I definitely agree that I can see Kagawa get more games in a central role next season, if Rooney leaves. And that we'll see the best of him there.
Just find the comments slightly odd, especially as it's none of his business what position we play our players in. I mean, he has tears in his eyes? What's that all about?
Doubt Dortmund fans would take too kindly to Ferguson making similar comments about one of their players.
And, I suppose, he's welcome to it. He had similar things to say about Rodgers and Sahin. Someday, someone will bite back. He seems a bit of a mouth, does Klopp.
He probably had a good relationship with him, and a reporter asked him about it. Find it hard to believe he just randomly brought up Kagawa during an interview. Pretty sure the tears in his eyes bit is probably just an expression of saying that we're criminally misusing Kagawa and that we'd be so much better off if we used him properly.
Agree with KC, complete lack of context from Klopp.
- Kagawa missed a big portion of the season through injury.
- It's his first season in a new country, new league - it'll take time to adjust.
- He just won a PL last week.
- Kagawa missed a big portion of the season through injury.
- It's his first season in a new country, new league - it'll take time to adjust.
- He just won a PL last week.
I am very interested to see how Moyes utilises Kagawa next season.
One thing I will say, Kagawa does seem more of a Moyes player than a Ferguson player.
One thing I will say, Kagawa does seem more of a Moyes player than a Ferguson player.
Is it bad that I completely agree with Klopp then?
Ferguson also saw it fit to continually to f*ck about with formations and teamsheets to our detriment. (yes yes, we won the league - but with the same point total and worse goal difference than last year)
It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that Shinji was misused. Wouldn't be the first time Fergie hasn't quite gotten the most out of a talented player (but will be the last
)Really? Kind of a Pienaar role?
Good posts, he's a fantastic little player, hopefully we'll bring in someone to play on the left side of attack, someone with the movement and technique to really bring the best out of our other forwards. I haven't seen enough of James Rodriguez to pass comment, but we have been linked with him quite a bit, maybe Muniain would be the best bet? I could see him fitting into our attack brilliantly.
Kind of, Moyes did utilise an attacking midfielder behind the striker a lot more than Ferguson ever did. We had one season with Scoles behind van Nistelrooy, but other than that it's nearly always been two strikers up front.
Moyes liked to play with Cahill behind the striker, and Fellaini too. Moyes also utilised false wingers, like Pienaar, a bit more than Ferguson too.
I do think Kagawa's a player Moyes will enjoy using.
Because Kagawa is one of the best players he's ever worked with and even if he moved on, Klopp would have been delighted to see him excel in England.
I'm sure Sir Alex would have been making the same comments if Real bought Ronaldo and played him in a more defensive role than we played him too. Say left back, since he was already on the wing
All very well, but Kagawa was a revelation in his first season at Dortmund and helped fire them to the title. He also had a long period out with injury and came back to be arguably their best player. He helped in a huge way to win the double of league and cup comprehensively over the same team they meet this season in the CL final, although obviously Bayern are playing far better this season than last season.
Klopp helped make Kagawa a star and it must have been a big dissappointment that he couldnt keep him in the summer. Thats hard enough. But then when you think that Kagawa has had a marginal impact so far, regardless of excuses, its no wonder he questions it. Put it this way, Sir Alex feels like Rooney wasnt at his best this season hence his line about substitutions. Klopp on the other hand might have picked Kagawa over Rooney in the hole in the first place. Thats how highly he's rated over there
Agree with Klopp on his sentiment. Kagawa is fantastic and should have probably seen more action this year. Conversely, Fergie probably wanted to bring him along slowly given that he's new to England, the Prem, and all that. Klopp is entirely in his right to make these comments though given that he knows how to get the best of Kagawa.
It's not that he's wrong about Kagawa's position and role - we surely all agree with him there. It's the intimation that because he hasn't played there loads yet Fergie got it wrong. But until the recent period where he has, in fact, been starting at number 10, he was either injured or being eased into the team. I think Fergie and Klopp would agree about Kagawa's best position, and I think next season, under Moyes or if Fergie had stayed on, he will be starting most games in that position. All the signs point that way. So Klopp's criticism is pretty groundless.
He is a funny man, Klopp. 
Kagawa has had injuries and has taken his time to adjust to the league. I don't think Jurgen cries or is worried when he sees Kagawa play on the left wing for United. He is trying to be a crafty fecker in order to prevent a mass exodus from his own team by showing that life is not so rosy on the other side.
His comments are directed at his own team and are for the benefit of his own club not Kagawa.
Kagawa has had injuries and has taken his time to adjust to the league. I don't think Jurgen cries or is worried when he sees Kagawa play on the left wing for United. He is trying to be a crafty fecker in order to prevent a mass exodus from his own team by showing that life is not so rosy on the other side.
His comments are directed at his own team and are for the benefit of his own club not Kagawa.
He is a funny man, Klopp.
Kagawa has had injuries and has taken his time to adjust to the league. I don't think Jurgen cries or is worried when he sees Kagawa play on the left wing for United. He is trying to be a crafty fecker in order to prevent a mass exodus from his own team by showing that life is not so rosy on the other side.
His comments are directed at his own team and for the benefit of his own club not Kagawa.
Because commenting on Kagawa's role at United would prevent Lewandowski and Reus from leaving. Brilliant logic.
That is what he is trying.
You think he is distraught that Kagawa did not get enough playing time at United this season?
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"We cried for 20 minutes, in each others' arms, when he left."
Wow. Precious indeed.
Or you're just taking it a little too seriously. I'm sure he's aware of the circumstances surrounding one of his favorite players.
I suppose in the same way that both Volgas and Ferraris are automobiles, then yeah.
He's a mouth, is Klopp.
That is what he is trying.
You think he is distraught that Kagawa did not get enough playing time at United this season?
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"We cried for 20 minutes, in each others' arms, when he left."
Maybe Klopp is just an emotional guy who cares for his players. He wouldn't be the first. Doesn't mean he can't comment on them after they move on. Big deal...move along.
As people have mentioned before he speaks his mind and that wants makes him who he is. I have no problem with what he said and you are just taking it a little too seriously.
I honestly do not see the big deal here Kid Cunto. He stated his opinion which was a bit exaggerated but nonetheless, harmless.
I doubt he's trying to criticise Ferguson. More so, just lamenting Kagawa isn't playing in a position where he feels he's most lethal. Makes sense based on his time in Dortmund and working with the player.
Again, my personal opinion is that fans get too precious over a manager's opinion and read more into it than is actually there. Klopp is a very expressive man and perhaps that doesn't come off well for some people. What managers say in public, I don't pay much attention to. They're crafty feckers. Partly why they're in such a position.
I doubt he's trying to criticise Ferguson. More so, just lamenting Kagawa isn't playing in a position where he feels he's most lethal. Makes sense based on his time in Dortmund and working with the player.
Again, my personal opinion is that fans get too precious over a manager's opinion and read more into it than is actually there. Klopp is a very expressive man and perhaps that doesn't come off well for some people. What managers say in public, I don't pay much attention to. They're crafty feckers. Partly why they're in such a position.
Completely harmless comments tend to invoke the ire of our resident Internet hardmen seeking a bit of e-notoriety.
I am taking his comments in good heart and laughing at them mate. I don't know why you are asking me to "move along". I don't have any problems with them neither am I using them to slate Klopp.
He is doing what is best for his team. His comments will have little or no effect on Kagawa or United.
In this whole football circus the only emotional fools are us fans. For the rest it is a profession. Another year with players exiting and Klopp will join the next project. And there won't be anything wrong with it. It is what it is.
I find it quite bizarre.
Kid Cunto, I will not copy and paste the full article on Klopp from the guardian but I think you should read it. It is entirely up to how you perceive this man but I think whatever your opinion of him, he's unique in what he does (i.e. the lake story).
Well, I know he's been quite outspoken before. So, this is nothing new. He's a character, and I know the game needs characters.
Just the way these comments can be perceived is what I haven't liked. As if he's questioned Ferguson, Klopp has much to learn and achieve.
Will read the article anyway.
A bit desperate to be offended, no? Anyway, everybody here has been saying the same thing.
It's a matter of perspective. A football man like Klopp should know Ferguson's legacy is practically without dispute. At the same time, he doesn't have to agree with everything Sir Alex does. It doesn't mean he values Ferguson as a manager any less. It means a difference of opinion. Big deal.
All I have seen from this situation is in Klopp's shoes, he would play Kagawa in CAM more often. Is that a surprise?
Klopp is being a bit overdramatic there, but I agree with his main point. Kagawa ought to have started more games in his preferred position. Not just because I think he's our best player in the AM role, but also because I don't quiet understand the argument that we have to ease him into the league in his first season. I'd rather see what happens if he gets a good run of games. He finally got that in the last 2 and a half months(minus a few games), and we all saw how nicely that turned out for us.
But I've said it once, and I'll say it again: RVP's sudden move to United spoiled Fergie's original plans. Kagawa was definitely headed for the AM role, but RVP complicated things. Any manager in the world would have to make a tough decision at that point. I mean, who is going to be benched/played out of position?
1. Possibly the best lone striker in the world?
2. United's heart and soul(not anymore though), who's performed well every season since he got here?
3. One of the best players from the Bundesliga, who's considered one of the most promising up-and-coming attacking midfielders?
It's not an easy decision, is it? Klopp has never had to deal with such a luxury problem for Dortmund, so maybe that's why he fails to see Fergie's point of view? When you manage a young, "homegrown", and up-and-coming side, your strategy is simply to play the best players at all time. But when you have a huge squad of stars and egos, it gets much harder to pick the teamsheet.
I can support both sides of the argument. Playing Kagawa more in his preferred position would have made sense because of his sheer talent and promise. But easing him into the league also makes sense, because he's still quite young. RVP doesn't have much more time. Rooney is possibly in his prime right now. Unlike Kagawa, they can't afford to "waste" time on the bench. It hurts for a football heart to see a younger and more brilliant player being eased into things when you just "know" that he's ready to conquer the world, but in some cases you might not have a choice.
Either way, Kagawa's had a full season getting used to things now. Enough fecking around now! Release the beast ASAP!
But I've said it once, and I'll say it again: RVP's sudden move to United spoiled Fergie's original plans. Kagawa was definitely headed for the AM role, but RVP complicated things. Any manager in the world would have to make a tough decision at that point. I mean, who is going to be benched/played out of position?
1. Possibly the best lone striker in the world?
2. United's heart and soul(not anymore though), who's performed well every season since he got here?
3. One of the best players from the Bundesliga, who's considered one of the most promising up-and-coming attacking midfielders?
It's not an easy decision, is it? Klopp has never had to deal with such a luxury problem for Dortmund, so maybe that's why he fails to see Fergie's point of view? When you manage a young, "homegrown", and up-and-coming side, your strategy is simply to play the best players at all time. But when you have a huge squad of stars and egos, it gets much harder to pick the teamsheet.
I can support both sides of the argument. Playing Kagawa more in his preferred position would have made sense because of his sheer talent and promise. But easing him into the league also makes sense, because he's still quite young. RVP doesn't have much more time. Rooney is possibly in his prime right now. Unlike Kagawa, they can't afford to "waste" time on the bench. It hurts for a football heart to see a younger and more brilliant player being eased into things when you just "know" that he's ready to conquer the world, but in some cases you might not have a choice.
Either way, Kagawa's had a full season getting used to things now. Enough fecking around now! Release the beast ASAP!
That's not the point though. Klopp likes to talk about other club's business when he really shouldn't. It's tolerable the first time but if he does it again and again it's annoying and more often than not it sounds disrespectful towards the other manager.
I really like him and think he's an outstanding coach, but he needs to stop telling the world that he knows better than all the other experienced coaches, even if he does it in a very entertaining way. He's done it with Heynckes several times this season, with Mourinho before the game vs Real and now with Ferguson.
He even thought he needs to tell the world that he would call Guardiola to discuss tactics if he was manager at Bayern before the CL semis vs Barca after Bayern told the media they won't contact Pep because he's not working for them yet, they don't want to put him in an awkward position and Heynckes is a great coach and knows how to play against Barca. Klopp went out there and told the world, he knows better. Why? That's just wrong. Not his business at all.
Klopp is right and not everyone has benefited from Fergie's "play someone in several other positions on the pitch to 'develop' his allround game" technique.
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