Do you ever make a point without being rude?
Shinji Kagawa
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Do you ever make a point without being rude?
what does that even mean?
In domestic football, we haven't scored from open play since the opening day of the season- it's as much of a concern as our shaky defence and porous midfield
Does not matter whether Kagawa or Young played as long as defence is leaky. Scoring 4 and losing 5 is not that much better. Blaming Kagawa for this match is just ridiculous.
I didn't agree with that post you quoted earlier either but every single post I've seen from you includes an insult to whoever you're quoting. There are other ways to express disagreement.
Football is about scoring more goals than your opponent, there are various ways you can try and do that.
Noone is blaming Kagawa for our team performance, and I'd say most people are saying he was one of our more effective players and it was a strange substitution. We have a worrying lack of creativity at the moment, so discussing whether our players are good enough or are being misused is a perfectly valid topic of conversation- leaky defence or not
Kagawa was decent. He didn't deserve to be hauled off at half time.
I've seen both Valencia and Young put in worse performances and still stay on the pitch.
I've seen both Valencia and Young put in worse performances and still stay on the pitch.
I thought Adnan should have come on for Hernandez, moving Rooney further forward. I though Kagawa added a lot to our midfield that we missed when he went off.
Was at the game, when Kagawa was pulled off at half time, we thought it must be an injury. Taking him off when he was probably the only player linking up with Rooney for tactical reasons seems very bizarre and it more or less neutralised any attacking play we had in the second half until the last 10 minutes or so when we suddenly woke up. Poor performance from the team and a very weird decision from Moyes.
You have read 14,649 posts of mine? Thank you for your interest mate. The post wasnt meant to be rude just my exasperation at how some people see things completely different than the majority. Anyway Ive more things to worry about that whether you feel I am rude. If you think im rude dont read Nevillers post.
G'luckI was disappointed when Moyes was looking to change things he looked first to Kagawa but he wasn't having the impact on the game from the wing. Still I would have done what LR7 suggested in the post above
Seemingly it wasn't and that is very worrying to me. Moyes seems to be spacegoating him for some reason.
You have read 14,649 posts of mine? Thank you for your interest mate. The post wasnt meant to be rude just my exasperation at how some people see things completely different than the majority. Anyway Ive more things to worry about that whether you feel I am rude. If you think im rude dont read Nevillers post.
I said every single post I've seen from you, not that I've read every single post. You realise they're two different things don't you? Justifying your rudeness by claiming to be less rude than another poster is beyond the point. At least TN actually attempts to explain himself and his point of view.
No, I think the game time he got from Klopp was the main reason, why he regained his form, but the backing of his coach was of course important.
When I compare the Kagawa of Dortmund and the one at United I see two different players. This has on one hand to do with his different role, but also with his attitude. Kagawa at United feels for the most part as someone who is nervous and restricted. A player, whose first thought is not about making plays but rather about making no mistakes. He lacks the fearlessness that defined him in Germany. Fearlessness is something Klopp always encouraged in his players, especially the offensive ones. For him losing the ball in the offensive is just an offer to get it back through pressing and score on the counter. This is a riskier approach, but if working a successful one.
Bowie does punditry.
Moyes doesn't fancy him, does he? Much like Mata at Chelsea. Shame.
This is why he shouldn't be played on the left in our current system, it requires discipline and he thrives on freedom.
He's either got to play off the main striker in a 4-2-3-1/ 4-4-1-1 or on the left in a 4-3-3 to get the best out of him, in my opinion.
I wonder how much of it is down to his perceived poor defensive abilities? That's the worrying thing.
Might as well try a different formation though. 4-3-3 might be more suitable at this point since we have failed miserably with a 4-4-2.
I think that what its down to. Moyes has favored a more stable team selection.
What Sphaero says regarding Klopp applies to more Dortmund attackers than just Kagawa. They were playing the same system as us with Gotze/Kagawa/Kuba behind Lewandowski, so the freedom to play wasn't a result of an alternative system with Klopp, just a different mentality.
Best team, play it and we win.
---------------De gea--------------
--------vidic-----------evans-------
Rafael--------Carrick---------evra
----januzaj*---clevz---kagawa---
---------------rooney----------------
-----------------RVP------------------
*or similar
---------------De gea--------------
--------vidic-----------evans-------
Rafael--------Carrick---------evra
----januzaj*---clevz---kagawa---
---------------rooney----------------
-----------------RVP------------------
*or similar
Januzaj or similar?
Does he have a long lost twin brother we don't know about.
Does he have a long lost twin brother we don't know about.
i'll be controversial, but if Rooney is still not committed at the end of the season and we have to sell, then i'd rather Kagawa gets regular play time in his preferred position, rather than Moyes brown nosing Rooney at every opportunity.
Moyes inexperience shows with his Rooney as backup to RVP comment in preseason, now he's bending over backwards for Rooney, who as good as he is currently wants to leave.
Moyes inexperience shows with his Rooney as backup to RVP comment in preseason, now he's bending over backwards for Rooney, who as good as he is currently wants to leave.
Apart from the bit about the bit about Mata being one the best players in the league, you mean?
Good. You bother several people.
Just re-watched the game, Kagawa didn't deserve to be taken off. If anyone did, it was Hernandez who was piss poor despite some quality crosses going in, he was slow to react and contributed nothing in general play. Should have taken off Hernandez for Janzuaj, played Kagawa in behind Rooney.
I said this further up the page, and in the matchday thread. Kagawa added a lot to midfield too which we lacked when he went off.
People keep mentioning that he plays on the left for Japan but their system is much more fluid than ours and is designed to build attacks with the inside forwards linking with the striker and #10, we aren't really playing like that, we still heavily focus on crossing the ball in.
He was barely ok today after watching the match run, how some are saying he was the best player is unfathomable, Nani was your best player today, I dont even think it was a bad decision by Moyes, he was laboring and giving it away.
Nani I would say has done enough to start more games but Kagawa not for me, just doesn't seem to work in this United set up.
Nani I would say has done enough to start more games but Kagawa not for me, just doesn't seem to work in this United set up.
It's not hard to believe that he was intended to play off Rooney originally, but then the VP deal happened and it's scuppered Kagawa's chances of ever playing there to be honest.
Therefore, we're trying to shoehorn him in on the left, almost in a Silva/Nasri style of play, and it's not really working.
I'd probably go with Nani left wing, Valencia right wing for a bit. Back to basics.
He doesn't impose himself so not really. I noticed Nani made you more threatening today, but not to the level where you actually scored so the problems are clearly deeper than Young and Valencia.
You can blame the defence, but United at full flow in their best attacking mode don't just score 1 goal
i dont know who you want to blame, but while Shinji was playing, we were in control of the game. Also, he should had 2 assists today. One to Anderson who fecked up (the lineman also) and the other to Buttner, who shot without even thinking a little... hit a defender.
why change him in HT? no idea... only Moyes knows. We lost the ball after that.
I think the blame goes on the team collectively, none of this one person can be excused business. Nani was the best player but that's not saying he was great, he did his best but it wasnt a top class performance from him by any means. Moyes obviously thought he wasnt imposing himself enough, probably true, I dont understand why anyone thought Kagawa was that good, he was average at best. Didnt he replace him with someone who you all want to see get more time anyway?
Im not part of this group. Of course im excited with him, and i want him to play, maybe 5-10 games in the season, but the easy games only. Specially when we are winning. He can start some games, so if doesnt work, you can replace him later on the game.
BUT, in a tight game like this, to put in unexperienced 18yo to turnaround a game, was one of the worst decisions ive ever seen. You dont do that. You simply dont.
specially if the spine of your team, is playing like shit... Anderson, Ferdinand... didnt make it easy on the rest.
Fergie did it loads.
Remember this?
If Januzaj buries that shot that just flew past the post people would be calling it a genius move from Moyes... He was hardly the reason we lost this match.
Fergie did it loads.
Remember this?
If Januzaj buries that shot that just flew past the post people would be calling it a genius move from Moyes... He was hardly the reason we lost this match.
I didnt say its Januzaj fault... i blame Moyes 100% for the result.
and as for Macheda... well... he didnt enter the game on HT, he enter around min 65-70... and look the team he had around him. Worth to take that risk at that moment.
still dont understand what moyes was thinking.
Well I would agree with this part.
Team today should still be beating Brom at home fairly comfortably though. They're a decent side at best and they were all over us. Extremely worrying.
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