Agreed. Had huge hopes for him...but shit...it's just not working out for whatever reasons....
Shinji Kagawa
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Agreed. Had huge hopes for him...but shit...it's just not working out for whatever reasons....
A sad realization for him as it's been said over and over that he wants to succeed at United. For me, it's a shame it's not working out. I have faint hope of him still working it out but I dont see it.
There was a conflict of direction when he signed because some players did not want to move in direction which suits Shinji's game and wanted to keep things the same. But this is football sadly. Think we all wished he would be a top player here.
Really unfortunate situation he finds himself in. Great player who's game simply doesn't suit the club or the league he's playing in although I think the latter is greatly accentuated by the former.
I hear a lot of people banging on about how good he was for dortmund but honestly, even there I've never seen him play at the level he does for Japan. He's absolutely imperious when he plays for them but one common thing both teams have is that their systems are greatly based on passing and moving, attacking through the middle rather than direct wing play which is what our clubs history is based on.
I said a long time ago and got ridiculed for it quite a bit that I hope we sell him cause he simply won't be a success here. Maybe if we had hired martinez instead of moyes, but not under this regime. This system simply highlights all his deficiencies and hides his strengths. This leads to him failing to impress most of the time and fans calling him overrated and so on.
Funny enough I think a club like liverpool would do wonders for him, although selling him to them would be akin shooting ourselves in the foot. I really want to see him find a club that can get the best out of him 'cause he's one of the best players in the world in the final third when playing in the right system, just a marvel.
I hear a lot of people banging on about how good he was for dortmund but honestly, even there I've never seen him play at the level he does for Japan. He's absolutely imperious when he plays for them but one common thing both teams have is that their systems are greatly based on passing and moving, attacking through the middle rather than direct wing play which is what our clubs history is based on.
I said a long time ago and got ridiculed for it quite a bit that I hope we sell him cause he simply won't be a success here. Maybe if we had hired martinez instead of moyes, but not under this regime. This system simply highlights all his deficiencies and hides his strengths. This leads to him failing to impress most of the time and fans calling him overrated and so on.
Funny enough I think a club like liverpool would do wonders for him, although selling him to them would be akin shooting ourselves in the foot. I really want to see him find a club that can get the best out of him 'cause he's one of the best players in the world in the final third when playing in the right system, just a marvel.
good post.
Sadly our new manager is as old school as they come, that wont help any player who likes playing quick passes to open up space and working in the freerole! Kagawa ticked all the right boxes coming here that we would see some new directions taken and a United update was on the way! Sadly with our new manager I dont see any update on the horizon so just cut our loss sell Kagawa to Dortmund and buy another midfield maestro that fits our "new" manager like Fellaini did...
He was hardly setting the world alight when he was playing under the greatest manager ever either. He obviously has talent but apart from the odd performance, he's been largely ineffective and very disappointing (compared to his reputation). Why this is, is probably down to many factors but after excelling in Germany, I'd have thought quick, physical counter attacking football would suit him but he just doesn't look right and he's been here the best part of 2 years. There doesn't seem a massive amount of 'fight' in him either - not that all players have to run around like headless chickens but he rarely involves himself, preferring the periphery of the game...fine if you're creating chances and influencing the game when you do have the ball but apart from the odd nice pass, he's continually underwhelming.
I'm sure Moyes' tactics don't help but unless there's a big change, I'd imagine he'll leave within a couple of years.
Are we all using Squaka to rate players now, and was I the first to introduce it?
I think one of the issues is that United fans are so used to the way Rooney has played the number 10 role that if anyone else plays there, they're expected to be the exact same. But few number 10's have the same sort of character as Rooney, to stay involved in the game no matter what else is happening and keep trying to make something happen. You look at some of the comments about Ozil recently, or Silva last season and so on. While all of these players can all boast something different or that they are arguably better at than Rooney, none of them are as likely to take a game by the scruff of the neck if it isnt already going their way like Rooney can. Perhaps thats why it was rumoured that Moyes wanted Thomas Muller as one of his first signings. He's more the character of a Wayne Rooney that we're all used to.
That's the future.When VP became a reality, Kagawa was massively impacted, as otherwise the plan was clearly Kagawa off Rooney.
Unless either VP or Rooney go, then Kagawa surely will go instead, as it's painful watching him shoehorned on the wing, or getting 1 game every 7 weeks in the middle.
Unless either VP or Rooney go, then Kagawa surely will go instead, as it's painful watching him shoehorned on the wing, or getting 1 game every 7 weeks in the middle.
He started down the middle in four games in two weeks at the beginning of December and hardly flourished. He looked better but not good enough to say he deserves to play there.
I really hope at some point we get to see Kagawa play in the middle with Januzaj and Nani either side of him. As I've said before I think he can definitely be accused of not doing enough often enough but I do think we could get more out of him by having players who will make inside runs as those two would. I'd be disappointed if we don't get to see that a few times before any decision is made on his future.
I think most people would want to see us somewhat modfiy our style of attack. I think its good we still use wingers who hug the line but I'd like to mix it with wingers who will and can come inside either dribbling or making a diagonal run and I think these sort of players and Kagawa would work well.
I think most people would want to see us somewhat modfiy our style of attack. I think its good we still use wingers who hug the line but I'd like to mix it with wingers who will and can come inside either dribbling or making a diagonal run and I think these sort of players and Kagawa would work well.
Pretty useless again. Possibly the most overrated player in our squad.
Looked better centrally, though that's based on one great pass to Welbeck. He's capable of much more.
You can see that he is talented. You can see that he is very classy on the ball.
But he is so bloody gormless. He has no set of stones especially in the final 3rd where he's suppose to be making chances for us.
But he is so bloody gormless. He has no set of stones especially in the final 3rd where he's suppose to be making chances for us.
Don't think he's doing too bad, clearly better when he comes inside. Done a few nice long passes. Struggling for form/confidence no doubt and still looks a little too weak.
Really not sure what we're going to do with this guy. Hasn't been terrible or anything but looks like a shadow of what he should be.
He's been decent. I think some of you expect him to dribble past players non stop and get loads of goals when he isn't that player. He's done well to keep possession and open up space, played a few nice passes to others.
It's just the popular opinion on here to say he's overrated and he's done nothing so everyone will agree but if you dare criticize smalling (incredibly overrated on here, makes a mistake every time he plays right back and half the time he's in the middle) or welbeck (who has hardly touched the ball) then you get labelled clueless.
It's just the popular opinion on here to say he's overrated and he's done nothing so everyone will agree but if you dare criticize smalling (incredibly overrated on here, makes a mistake every time he plays right back and half the time he's in the middle) or welbeck (who has hardly touched the ball) then you get labelled clueless.
If he just showed willing to attack himself and keep it simple occasionally he's be appreciated more.
Completely wasted on the left under Moyes. The only thing he does is intercept the ball and play it out to the leftback. His skill level rises several notches when he plays behind the striker. He'd do well there if given a proper run of games, but of course that's never gonna happen under David "Cross" Moyes. Not even with Rooney and RVP out..
Don't think he'd make it here.
Hopefully Dortmund are interested in a swap.
Hopefully Dortmund are interested in a swap.
Starting to agree. If he was half the player that is claimed, then the fact he's not being played in his best position wouldn't stop him showing how good he is. He does nothing.
His most useful role may be as a makeweight to help us get Gundogan.
Underwhelming yet again.
He's absolutely wasted here in our system. The number of times he tried to go for a quick one two and then make a run into the box, only for the ball to be passed backwards or onto the wings...
Sell him - he is completely useless. People can complain about system and everything - but good players don't need a system adapted to their style of play to look good. Kagawa has probably been one of our weakest player over the last 1.5 seasons. Sell him back to Germany - while he is still worth a lot of money
He's always decent. Never more. THose are the games he should shine in but he just doesnt seem to take responsibility.
Was he wasted on the wing under Fergie? Admit it, he was woeful today. Can you not see, that isn't always the manager's fault when a player does not step up. Kagawa does not have balls, he did not try to help us win by at least trying to make more stuff happen, he doesn't have to get stuck in as such, just SHOOT or play a better pass. He hasn't scored at all this season. He has been woeful all season, and you can see why Moyes and Fergie preferred Rooney in the number 10 role, he is simply the better and more decisive player.
It just boggles my mind how Moyes prefers Welbeck behind the main striker and Kagawa on the left, when the former is an athletic individualist and the latter is a creative playmaker. It wasn't until the 75th minute that Moyes finally managed to spot the most obvious error of the game and made the switch. Fabio's red card 5 minutes later ruined this "brilliant" approach though, as if it was Karma saying: "seriously, if you're this stupid, then you don't even deserve to see how it goes with a playmaker in a playmaking position."
That wasn't decent, or anything close. Like most of the team he was poor.
Surely you can see that when he was given a run of games as a #10 he was less effective there than Welbeck, hence why he was the one shunted out of position?
For those saying Kagawa was woeful and wasn't trying to make things happen, he was the one who broke into the box and skipped two defenders to cross one final ball. He was trying to play one-twos with Welbrck and Chicharito but couldn't get the return ball.
At least he was trying. Yes he failed to hoof the ball up the pitch towards the end, and he hasn't justified his reputation or hype or whatever, but to say he was woeful and not trying is simply scandolous. There were lot of worse performances from our players today.
At least he was trying. Yes he failed to hoof the ball up the pitch towards the end, and he hasn't justified his reputation or hype or whatever, but to say he was woeful and not trying is simply scandolous. There were lot of worse performances from our players today.
It probably was yeah, for me that's semantics though as even playing decent against Swansea isn't enough for a player like him. He just should be doing so much better. Of course the way David MOyes let's us play football is just totally different as to how Dormtund approached the game but still.
He's a nothing player and he's a coward to boot. I'm as sick of him as I am of some of our other attacking players.
Valencia gets a lot of stick on here but Kagawa is just as bad. He offers absolutely nothing in the final third. Nothing.
Valencia gets a lot of stick on here but Kagawa is just as bad. He offers absolutely nothing in the final third. Nothing.
I'm sorry but you can't defend Kagawa any more, you just can't.
Yes he's got amazing talent and vision, but tell me this when has he ever consistantly shown this in a United shirt? Add to this he fecking bottles 90% of the challenges he goes in for, thats if he's actually fecked to do that in the first place. So what if he is playing on the left, good players adapt, great players make that role their own, he has done neither.
Yes he's got amazing talent and vision, but tell me this when has he ever consistantly shown this in a United shirt? Add to this he fecking bottles 90% of the challenges he goes in for, thats if he's actually fecked to do that in the first place. So what if he is playing on the left, good players adapt, great players make that role their own, he has done neither.
Yeah that confused me as well.
Overreaction much.
It is to be fair, I'm barely containing my raging anger.
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