Shinji Kagawa

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Pogue Mahone said:
Not sure what you mean but 5th place Liverpool were one of three different English clubs to win the CL in recent years.

That's as well as heavy representation in finals and semi-finals.
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i meant this season thus far...sorry was in a rush when i posted it
 
Sultan said:
Me and Mad Winger see things differently. It's called differences of opinions. I have never claimed to be right or Mad Winger wrong.

Young, and Valencia need to be sold if possible. They've been under performing for a couple of seasons. As has Shinji. If you read my post carefully again I was suggesting he does well over the remainder of the season and extends his career at United so he can have another season to demonstrate his undoubted abilities. I'm not sure why you need to bring Moyes into the equation. However, I'll give you my take on the situation. If Moyes has not turned this around by Christmas or end of next season I reckon he should make way for a new manager.

Finally, I can't ever remember saying let alone "preaching" we should extend our patience to under performing staff.
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Sults, I read my post again and it sounds extremely harsh on you. I was only trying to say that there are two agendas here trying to paint Kagawa as the missing link and Moyes as the devil and both are wrong.
 
Revan said:
MadWinger has done the same effect for Kagawa as Glaston for Spurs. Not exactly, and Kagawa is still one of my favorite players, but still, I can understand a few people going into the other extreme when they debate with MW. Twigginator is a bit weird IMO, generally he has completely different views on everything with everyone.
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Not really. I'd say have the opinion of most level headed reds.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Sults, I read my post again and it sounds extremely harsh on you. I was only trying to say that there are two agendas here trying to paint Kagawa as the missing link and Moyes as the devil and both are wrong.
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No issues, buddy, it's hardly harsh. :)
 
I'm one of those who has only seen him for United, and am surprised how many posters have Kagawa in their first choice line-ups. To make it as a first choice at United you have to be either indisputably the best in your position or adaptable and able to thrive in different tactical formations and in the helter skelter of the premier league. Kagawa is neither (so far). Maybe he should emulate Welbeck, who also does not have a team built around him but gets on with it effectively enough in whichever position he finds himself.
 
Twigginater said:
You remember me praising last season saying we might not always have it so good.

I bet you wish you'd have enjoyed it at the time :)
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I enjoyed it immensely, doesn't mean I can't discuss it, not everyone lives in your bizarre little magical bubble where everything is majestic with our club and nothing can possib-li go wrong, sorry, possibly go wrong.

What was it you said a few weeks ago? The PL is clearly the best league in the world cause look at how well our teams are doing in the CL? How's that one working out for you?
 
Mad Winger should have been banned from talking about Kagawa about a year ago, he's completely derailed every Kagawa discussion with his Jap-fetish devotion.
 
Cina said:
I enjoyed it immensely, doesn't mean I can't discuss it, not everyone lives in your bizarre little magical bubble where everything is majestic with our club and nothing can possib-li go wrong, sorry, possibly go wrong.

What was it you said a few weeks ago? The PL is clearly the best league in the world cause look at how well our teams are doing in the CL? How's that one working out for you?
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I doubt it was me. Europe means nothing. It's the strongest because even the weakest teams have incredible players.
 
acnumber9 said:
The biggest problem is that anything other than fawning over Kagswa is deemed to be hatred. It's ridiculously melodramatic. If you want to see something close to hatred you're in the wrong player thread.
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No, there are people who make reasonable arguments about why he doesn't work for United. And there are those who have crossed into hating him. Just as Mad Winger comes across as a man in love.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
No, there are people who make reasonable arguments about why he doesn't work for United. And there are those who have crossed into hating him. Just as Mad Winger comes across as a man in love.
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I don't think there's anyone here who hates. You're getting yourself all in a tither.
 
acnumber9 said:
You seem upset to me. Clearly this 'hatred' has got to you a little. Anyway, we'll leave it there.
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Yeah, that's why I used the crazy icon. :wenger: Because confusing an observation with an emotion is ridiculous. And overly defensive, I might add.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Yeah, that's why I used the crazy icon. :wenger: Because confusing an observation with an emotion is ridiculous. And overly defensive, I might add.
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It was you that confused others observations on the player with emotion. You've clearly interpreted not throwing unbridled praise at a player as hatred for one reason or another. Some might think he's the second coming, some disagree. The emotion you've attributed to others is nothing but a figment of your imagination.
 
acnumber9 said:
It was you that confused others observations on the player with emotion. You've clearly interpreted not throwing unbridled praise at a player as hatred for one reason or another. Some might think he's the second coming, some disagree. The emotion you've attributed to others is nothing but a figment of your imagination.
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I've grown bored of you.
 
Important Update

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Hope he plays. And hope he plays a lot more after Moyes gets the boot.
 
Moyes: "Shinji [Kagawa] is someone who we like and he'll definitely be involved tomorrow."

Yes. Yes. Yes.
 
He'll get his first start in 2 months and we'll wonder why he didn't play great, then drop him for another few weeks. Rinse and repeat.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Good stuff. Was going to post in this thread that I really hope he starts.

Although, now I think about it, I'm not even sure I want us to win.

Which is depressing :(
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come on, a champions league quarter final, big nights against possibly madrid, munich, psg..

you cant not want that
 
I don't know what I want any more tbh. It's looking as though we have a dead duck manager. Why hope for results that prolong his reign?

Anyway, I've seen absolutely nothing this season to convince me we can beat the likes of Bayern, Barca or Madrid if we do get past Olympiakos. In fact, the humiliation of playing these teams over two legs is probably something I'd rather avoid.
 
I'd love to go through and get European night against one of the big boys. Who cares if we lose?
 
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