Kagawa + Mata + A player like Robben, would be absolute sex. Top it off with a proper CM and a leftback that joins in on the attacks, and we're right up there among the best teams.
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Only if the rest of your midfield is world class in every respect and we are so far away from that its a long wait for Kagawa and his fans.....if thats what we need before he can do his thing to the level he should. Easy excuses for me tho. Its the team not him.
But would it?
Kagawa out wide is ok, but nothing spectacular. Some good passing and all, but never threatens with pace
Reus - Mata - Robben
That looks better
Kagawa is great out left if the rest of the team is great. And pace on both wings is overrated.
Duh... Reus - Kagawa - Robben is also better than the first team I suggested. If we have unlimited funds and resources, we could probably go for something like that.
That explains that then, cheers bud!
He and Mata would be the main components of the midfield. By all accounts we're looking to sign somebody like Carvalho, a player who by all accounts thrives behind attacking players. We're also looking for a deeper midfielder that can control the game. If we really do spend this silly amount of projected cash then it bodes well for the season ahead.
I find it a little strange, and Kagawa talk usually is, that you're bounding into his thread to give him stick after an alright game that has followed a period of genuine good form. Stinks of agenda, to be honest. Whether it be as a regular starter or simply a squad role, Kagawa is exactly the kind of player needed at the club going forward. He's 25, attacking and technically gifted, more so than most others. I hope that our next manager enjoys these sort of players and we can buy in some other players that can really get the most out of them.
He's no better than coutinho at Liverpool who quite rightly isnt an auto starter but is used for certain games which quite frankly is ones against lesser opponents. I have no agenda, he's a gifted squad player, a luxury in many respects. Our Jay jay okacha.
Another "meh" performance for me. All show, no "Go".
All part of building a successful squad of footballers. Either way, I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing as we go into the new season.
I like that.
I was hoping my jay jay comparison would get more of a comment ha. Hopefully we finally see a summer spend befitting our club.
You're tossing in a lot of variables here
So you want me to count:
- PL games
- Started and finished
- Where he's been the stand out player
This is in the time span of less than 2 seasons. The first of which he needed to adjust to a new league and spent 1/3 of the time injured. In the second he wasn't highly rated by the dinosaur manager and featured less than half as much as he did in the first season, if we're going by percentage when he's available(I can't stress this enough).
What's important here, is what you consider "stand out player". Is it MOTM? Or is it the top 3 performers in a good team performance? If it's the latter, then I'm sure I'll be able to find a couple of games.
Last season:
- Everton away(best outfield player. Only DDG had a better game)
- Norwich at home(hattrick, MOTM)
- Aston Villa at home(had a brilliant game with RVP and Rooney. RVP MOTM, Rooney and Kagawa "fighting" for second place)
This season:
- Newcastle away
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So that's 4 games out of 9 at the very least where he's been one of our stand out players. And that's if we follow those silly variables of yours. Kagawa has had several good games where he's gone off the pitch before 90 minutes has been played. And let's not forget the CL! That ought to be given some importance, don't you think?
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Sorry bud, I didn't mean we should go and buy them two players. I just think there are better options out there than Kagawa out wide.
I just sometimes think United fans think to much of United players.
In another discussion I've just been told Smalling / Evans are a better/equal partnership than Dante / Boateng.
Anyway. I like Kagawa, I just don't think he does it in the prem. Most of his best games have been in the CL
The argument is that here's really no need to buy players there right now. He's our best option there right now so should play, and considering the entire defence and central midfielders are all bigger problems, we should leave that as it is. Him and mata can only improve together too. Ideally, yes we could bring in reus on one wing, 2 world class midfielders, 2 center backs, and a left back. But that's never going to happen. Do what is realistic and necessary first, like central midfielders and left back, then try to work on center backs but probably do that in January. Then we'll see our position next summer with the wings. Kagawa is more then good enough until then though.
It's not really baffling. People want him to do well so they make up shit reasons for why he was very good. In truth he had an average game which has been about par as far as his United career goes.
It's baffling that you'd want one type of player to do better than other types of players.
I totally agree. Priorities first, and for me thats
CM
LB
CB
CM
LW
I was just saying, I think Kagawa is much better through the middle, rather than out wide. I'd rather see Januzaj there if I'm honest
I really think to get the best out of him, we have to get rid of Rooney. A lot of the players seem to ignore his runs and just feed Rooney. Rooney often seems to deliberately ignore Kagawa too. I get the feeling he's not exactly part of the gang.
The chance to get rid of rooney may have passed. Maureen says that is over and who else showed an active interest. Who else on his now inflated contract we show an interest? A swap deal for Mata was there and we failed in that respect.
In that case we should get rid of Kagawa. As Rooney is undoubtedly better.
Surely Mata can play a role Silva does for City and Kagawa can take up a role like Nasri? Neither players have pace but City are so effective with their link up play. Especially when Aguero is playing.
Well he's the typical modern day techno-midget, that might explain it.
Well that's obviously true. Everybody is better in their primary position. Kagawa has shown he can be very good out wide though and his recent form since the turn of the year really whenever he's played has been very consistently good. There are arguably 5 signings we have to make before we strengthen the left wing, and that's ignoring replacing people who leave.
Meh, not really. Kagawa is a very pleasing player on the eye, technically brilliant, turns very quickly, and is a very intelligent player. Him succeeding more or less means united playing exciting football. Anyways, he hasn't been bad by any means. He's went from average to very good for the past few months, much better then the majority of our players. We have 5 other positions at least that need strengthening before the left wing really so there's no need to get rid as he's shown how good he can be and his partnership with mata and others can only get better.
He's a better goalscorer but Kagawa has superior touch, control and short passing. I don't think it's possible to compare really, since Rooney is the main man and Kagawa will never be afforded that postion while Rooney is here. If you're going to compare anything, you have to look to his Dortmund time where he was the main man there.
I just think it's sad that we've bought an amazing No 10 then never given him a run in his proper position. Then pointlessly bought Mata in his position too.
And I'm happy that we've got one of the best players in the world in Mata and watching possibly Man United's greatest ever forward in Rooney.
Pointlessly bought Mata who has shown more than Kagawa has in his short spell and was Chelsea's best player for the last 2 seasons. Kagawa has played as a 10 for us and not impressed as well you know. Rooney makes match winning differences. Thats why you cannot compare the two.
Kagawa as No 10 only works when Rooney is not on the pitch. He needs to be the fulcrum of the attack. The player everyone always looks to give the ball to. The only time I can think of when he has played 10 is 2nd half against Swansea. Him and Januzaj linked up beautifully. They seemed to be the only players who understood each other. All the play went through him and it worked. I want to see more of that. I want to see the team based around him since I believe that is our greatest potential.
Mata looks shit when he's stuck out wide too. He gets played as 10, therefore he should perform. In addition, he cost 37 fcuking million pounds. Twice what Kagawa did. He better be our best player ever for that kind of money.
Mmmm love me a compilation of sideways and misplaced passes.
You can't compare the two because they play in different positions! Rooney is a quality striker, Kagawa is a quality attacking midfielder, both are great players, both rightfully deserve a place in the starting XI along with Mata.
Once we replace our midfield 2 with a class defensive midfielder and a genuine box to box player then we are going to be able to press more effectively and our front players will be afforded more freedom, not to mention having an additional option in an attacking sense with that box to box player.
Although I agree on occasion we will need some pace in that 3 behind the striker but not always, take a look at Athletico Madrid, they have very little pace in that side but are still very effective.
A lot of people seek to forget that kagawa is only a few months older then cleverley, just 1 year older then welbeck as well. He's got plenty of time to improve even though he's already a top class player.
You're a joke. He actually played reasonably well and that game clip proves that.
Avoiding the unnecessary insult, it was a distinctly average performance. Were the majority of his passes not sideways or backwards?
Yet he was better than anyone else in the first half. It was a dismissive comment on a simple clip that proved he was involved and played reasonably well, you've effectively ignored everything else he had done and marginalised his contribution to sideways passing.
Fellaini had games like this after his period of injury, yet he got slated for doing nothing at all, when his contribution was pretty much the same as Kagawa's in this gam. He wasn't better than everybody in the first half; nobody stood out in that half, especially Kagawa. All that compilation showed was him passing it sideways and backwards for the majority of the match, which is great for his involvement, but is no better than what Cleverley does. Mata came on after 60 minutes and did twice as much, which shows how overrated Kagawa is to people on this forum, including your dear self.
Do you think this is a universe where Mata and Kagawa can't play in the same team? Can you genuinely not see the difference with what Kagawa does to what Cleverley does? We have so much better fluidity with him on the pitch and there's no surprise our best performances of the season have come when he was playing - backed up by our win percentage when Kagawa starts. He's a gem of a player and it really is a shame that people like you have this archaic way of looking at performances and dismiss anything of value as just 'simple sideways passing'
I've always thought that Kagawa and Rooney link up well, see Norwich game last season and the Leverkusen and Real Sociedad game this season where both were on fire. Kagawa also assisted Rooney against Villa recently. I don't see how you can blame Rooney for when Kagawa doesn't do as well.
His off the ball movement is on another level to anyone else in our team really, always finds space to receive the ball and helps our fluidity immensely. Keeps the ball really well, always finds somebody and has the ability to make things happen in the final third.
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