So if we go on a 20 game losing streak and someone suggests after the 20th loss that we might have to consider the manager's future that would - per definition - be knee-jerk according to your logic? That makes absolutely no sense.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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Sacking ten Hag won't turn us into Real Madrid and it won't make any kind of a point. This is a hard moment but he's got enough credit in the bank.
De Zerbi has won nothing, he took over an excellent Brighton team full of quality players and got them playing better United are a long way off that.
Let him stay and keep him as far away from transfers as possible. We keep indulging these managers. That Antony transfer is why we could not go for a striker in Jan.
I think it's worrying that certain players are given ample time and leeway to prove themselves and have consistently come up short. Some, like Antony, need more time and patience. But for someone like Sancho, he needs to start next season on fire to prove he can make it at United. I know he has had personal issues but he has struggled under two managers now and he needs to start showing something. I also love Martial but if he remains the only recognizable striker in the squad next season, the team is fecked.
I think with the schedule this season, players are clearly suffering under ETH's style and hopefully next year, fitness will improve.
The recruitment at this club continues to be a problem though. The only worrying thing about ETH for me, even though I am frustrated by the form, is that some Ajax fans have criticized Eric for his transfer decisions. Antony and Malacia need patience but their first seasons haven't been great. Maybe with new owners, a real decisive system can be put in place. I don't know how confident I would be in that regard if INEOS took over.
I think with the schedule this season, players are clearly suffering under ETH's style and hopefully next year, fitness will improve.
The recruitment at this club continues to be a problem though. The only worrying thing about ETH for me, even though I am frustrated by the form, is that some Ajax fans have criticized Eric for his transfer decisions. Antony and Malacia need patience but their first seasons haven't been great. Maybe with new owners, a real decisive system can be put in place. I don't know how confident I would be in that regard if INEOS took over.
We did see the improvement earlier on in the season. I just don't think it was sustainable with this number of games and with this squad.
I rate Antony and think he will only improve. Could ETH have spent 80 + million on more pressing issues? Yes but if that's our budget then that says it all about the owners.
I trust ETH has it in him to become a club capable of competing for the league but he needs a full window and simply more time.
I also really can't be arsed with another manager coming in and the painstaking process of another rebuild.
Of course I want us to finish top 4 and be in the CL. But the most damning thing about this group of players is that we're an absolute borefest to watch.
2nd half vs Spurs, home to Villa, away to Brighton and away to West Ham. 6 and half hours of utter crap and one goal to show for it against fairly average opposition.
Only LVG made me feel this unenthusiastic about watching us lately. Every game feels like an absolute f***ing chore right now. That's the worst thing you can say about this lot.
2nd half vs Spurs, home to Villa, away to Brighton and away to West Ham. 6 and half hours of utter crap and one goal to show for it against fairly average opposition.
Only LVG made me feel this unenthusiastic about watching us lately. Every game feels like an absolute f***ing chore right now. That's the worst thing you can say about this lot.
Mate, I don't have the headspace to address all your points right now. I'll just say a few things cause you quoted me and it would be rude to just ignore. Your answer to our midfield problems is Fred? Who bounces between 2 and 8 out of 10 from one minute to next? If he showed any kind of consistency you'd have a point. DDG's feck up tonight had nothing to do with playing out from the back. And 60 games a season with the WC is precisely the reason we haven't had any training time as we've had to use any free time to mainly recover.
You think my points are excuses, I think they are reasons. Let's leave it at that.
let me guess - you're a winner? What a fecking weird thing to say. Andrew Tate esque.There is that point when the context is how shit we were last season, and what the expectations were for this season. We have done better than we hoped, and it's mostly down to injuries and fatigue that we have fallen off.
Context always matters.
You know what would be a lovely breath of fresh air? If this club moved on from players that don't deliver just as quickly as we do with managers. There are players in this team who played under 4(!) managers and are still here, underperforming. Martial even played under Louis van Gaal ffs.
ETH definitely should not be sacked. He inherited a weak squad. If you asked people last year what we needed, they would tell you we would need at least one new player at every position, that's how bad they were. Right now we don't have a single decent striker, only two decent CBs who are both out with injury, not a lot of options in midfield as well. He definitely does deserve criticism for a lot of things that happened this season, also for the way he set up the team at times, but to sack him would be ludicrous in my opinion.
ETH definitely should not be sacked. He inherited a weak squad. If you asked people last year what we needed, they would tell you we would need at least one new player at every position, that's how bad they were. Right now we don't have a single decent striker, only two decent CBs who are both out with injury, not a lot of options in midfield as well. He definitely does deserve criticism for a lot of things that happened this season, also for the way he set up the team at times, but to sack him would be ludicrous in my opinion.
Nope, I just want to win. A lot of people in the fanbase are preoccupied with being the best fan possible (read delusional supporter) or take too long to cut off a lost cause (Sancho is another De Gea here).
I may not have had success at the same level as Madrid in my career but I've been quite ruthless in switching when the situation doesn't match my targets.
OGS was a perfect example of this. We took about a season too long. We could have tried Poch between OGS and EtH. We could even still be with Poch (don't think so personally but not impossible to imagine under the Glazers).
Btw, feck Andrew Tate, guy is a criminal followed by impressionable losers, so I'd prefer if you don't compare me with that scum
There hasn't been much improvement under him. I would sack him this summer. Losing out on top 4 after the lead we had plus losing to Sevilla in the Europa is disgraceful
Club needs to stop sticking with dud managers and players for way too long.
Club needs to stop sticking with dud managers and players for way too long.
As I’ve already said I would give ETH next season regardless of missing top 4 but this just isn’t true. Going from manager to manager is actually the exact solution for the majority of the most successful clubs i.e Madrid, Barca, Bayern. Even Chelsea have made this strategy work pretty successfully. The key point is the overall structure, meaning vision and scouting of players/recruitment etc. If you have all that in place then changing managers regularly is almost an expected part of the cycle to keep everyone fresh and on their toes. This is really where we are lacking and have lacked for a long time.
Whether we decided to go with Ten Hag or Enrique or whoever for next season wouldn’t really be a big deal if we could trust the overall structure in place at the club. What I do like about Ten Hag is that he is a coach who expects that kind of structure and will hopefully play a key role in helping us develop it. I like the man’s personality in interviews etc and would love him to succeed.
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ETH is working wonders with this squad, we should be mid-table with no trophies. The squad is not up to it, there are problems everywhere. What is he supposed to do?
Yes. A bottling of that magnitude cannot stand. That said, I’m backing him to change something this week ahead of Wolves.
Implying other people are losers and that you are, by virtue, a winner, is very on brand Andrew Tate so maybe think before you speak.
Every United fans wants the team to win. They just might have a different opinion about how it's achieved. That doesn't make them a loser.
Can I ask why? I don't think he should be sacked, but so far this season we've scored 8 goals less than last year when we had a 37 year old leading our attack, rashford forgot how to play football and Martial was away on loan. We spend 250m and got eriksen for free in the summer which is an awful lot of money, we lost 7-0 to Liverpool, we've managed 1 point against the top 9 away from home, we were dumped out of the europa league by a team fighting relegation in their own league.
Does a carabao cup win really make you unsackable in some fans eyes?
Yes it's knee jerk and no we don't need a poll. Only this place...
Voted no, but if we throw away 4th from the position we were in and a pretty lousy GD people would have been sacked for less.
Absolutely ridiculous post, and yes it is knee jerk. this squad is sub standard and he has players at least four different managers They are weak mentally and this is on the players and the Gazers.
No its his first season. If you had said 4th with 4 games to go and league cup at the beginning of the season we would have taken it after last seasons debacle.
He should get 2 seasons minimum. If this time next season we are still playing like this then maybe.
He should get 2 seasons minimum. If this time next season we are still playing like this then maybe.
I am a fan of ETH and wanted him a manager for a long while.
But failure to get top 4, especially from where we were, should be a sackable offence.
Yes some of the players aren't up to it, but a lot of the problems we have seen are self inflicted. Playing Wout (at all), spending so much on Antony, overplaying players, poor 2nd halves.. These come down to management and coaching.
I still believe we will get top 4, but if we don't then..
But failure to get top 4, especially from where we were, should be a sackable offence.
Yes some of the players aren't up to it, but a lot of the problems we have seen are self inflicted. Playing Wout (at all), spending so much on Antony, overplaying players, poor 2nd halves.. These come down to management and coaching.
I still believe we will get top 4, but if we don't then..
No we should keep him either way. It would be a massive let down if we don't get top four but the issue is bigger than the manager.
The board screwed up in the summer and even though they got most of the players ETH wanted, they took way too long and eventually had to massively overpay.
Going into the season with only Ronaldo and Martial as recognised strikers and then not replacing Ronaldo when he left was criminal.
Our squad is just way too thin in particular in CM and CF. We had no replacement for Casemiro when he was suspended and we have Eriksen playing there when he really should be playing in the number 10 role. We also have no goals in the team except Rashford and Bruno to an extent.
The board screwed up in the summer and even though they got most of the players ETH wanted, they took way too long and eventually had to massively overpay.
Going into the season with only Ronaldo and Martial as recognised strikers and then not replacing Ronaldo when he left was criminal.
Our squad is just way too thin in particular in CM and CF. We had no replacement for Casemiro when he was suspended and we have Eriksen playing there when he really should be playing in the number 10 role. We also have no goals in the team except Rashford and Bruno to an extent.
It's so true. The way we are set up, changing the manager is a much bigger issue than it is for some of the other clubs.
I don't know the past month it doesn't seem to me like he is working wonders.
It's more like he cannot think of anything he can do or say to get us to look like a top team.
He is chopping and changing certain players but never the formation and it's just producing the same results.
Do you think our squad - following a big transfer window in which ETH had plenty of money - is worse than any of Spurs, Brighton, Villa, Brentford or Fulham, and if not miracles we should be below them? Or I’m missing the irony here
To have a trophy in the bag and still in good contention for top 4 when we don't even have a reliable striker is working wonders. We've had to rely on Rashford (who isn't even a striker!), the next highest scorer in the league is Bruno who is a midfielder and has scored 10 less than Rashford. When you consider that, it is a wonder we're anywhere near the top 4.
ETH needs backing. This summer is huge for us and for him. We have an opportunity to properly improve the team. Fear we aren’t going to take it though, which would see us blowing the work done earlier this season and us wimpering along again. And could end up the end of ETH here sooner or later.
But ETH has had our good players playing some of their best football for a decent portion of the season. Now we need to replace the ones that haven’t cut it.
But ETH has had our good players playing some of their best football for a decent portion of the season. Now we need to replace the ones that haven’t cut it.
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How about DeZarbi of Brighton?
No. There isn't even an obvious replacement for him.
If it happened again next season, absolutely. He gets this summer to put together more of his own team. No excuses after that.
If it happened again next season, absolutely. He gets this summer to put together more of his own team. No excuses after that.
I was very much behind the manager, I think most of our problems pre-date him. The players have let him down at times and the board have certainly let him down badly.
We've shown some real promise at times, too. Even today, we started the game really well and should have been out of sight, move on to the last few games and the possibility of a 2nd trophy.
But it's the constant bad decisions. I just can't get over how many there have been. So, we'll see how it goes, I guess. If the current form carries through the next five games, then maybe Ten Hag is not the man we need.
We've shown some real promise at times, too. Even today, we started the game really well and should have been out of sight, move on to the last few games and the possibility of a 2nd trophy.
But it's the constant bad decisions. I just can't get over how many there have been. So, we'll see how it goes, I guess. If the current form carries through the next five games, then maybe Ten Hag is not the man we need.
Unanimously no, this is once again on the suits at the top given Ten Hag was not backed in the winter window, having said that, £80m on Antony instead of a quality number nine does actually look like an error tbh.
Honestly I’m fine with us sacking underperforming managers until we get it right and if Ten Hag bottles top four this season than his position needs to be under question. The issue is we never bin of the consistently underperforming players as well.
Might as well open the succession planning thread. We will need a new manager pretty soon.
Our squad is made up of players that go as far back as the Fergie era. It's a random bunch that have been pushed to the absolute limits having played more games than anyone else in Europe. Our most highly paid player and only available striker threw a whopping tantrum a few months into the season and then left on a free in January. He was replaced by a failed 30 year old Burnley striker who was playing his trade in Turkey. We've won our first trophy since 2017. We are in an FA Cup final. Until today, we were relatively comfortably getting top 4. Every sane person would have taken this at the start of the season.
Yes.
He is bottling it big time.
He is bottling it big time.
If we went on a 20 game losing streak we wouldn't really be talking about dropping out of top 4, would we?
With a quote like that does he genuinely want to implement his style of football or not? Genuinely baffling, and I see nothing heading to that direction. This is depression