According to a lot of fans, they rode Fergie's brilliance. cf "no value in the market" comments we got used to hearing from the great man.
Should Wenger be sacked?
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According to a lot of fans, they rode Fergie's brilliance. cf "no value in the market" comments we got used to hearing from the great man.
That's probably fair too, the difference being we were winning trophies at the time. I'm not saying the Glazers are perfect and I suspect more investment circa 2009 would have spared us a lot of expense today, but they've always targeted winning championships with their Tampa Bay franchise and they are doing the same at United for now.
I'm not partaking in the poll but will add I said Arsenal should have sacked Wenger 5 years ago -ish but with Arsenal fans on here getting on my back.
They have? They've sucked for a long time. But that's partly due to the nature of the NFL. Overall I agree that they've been better owners.
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Yes, because you were going to overturn the deficit from the first leg if not for the referee.
He's distracting people from the question of why you were 5-1 down at the start of a CL 2nd leg knock out tie in the first place. Regardless of the referee's performance, the supposed good performances of the players in the 2nd leg etc, that tie was already lost. A straw man if I ever saw one.
They had about a decade of success with regular postseason participation including the franchise's only Superbowl win following the Glazer takeover. They haven't done much in the last few years admittedly, but then again, they're Tampa Bay.
We weren't but we wouldn't have lost 5-1 either. We were actually playing well and winning the second leg and could have had a pen before that decision
Ultimately we aren't on Bayern's level anyway and we overcommit going forwards is the real answer
Should walk away now. Last time they won league 2004 or something. That's over a decade now without a league title. It's all about chance. He's out of steam. Personally, I think they would have a higher chance of winning the league again, with not much changes, under the "drive" of somebody like Simeone
Edit: Spurs look to be overtaking them now. Liverpool are gunna win the league again before them. Those managers want to win things... you see it in their body language. Guardiola will say not winning the league isn't a failure, but he still looks gutted.
Edit: Spurs look to be overtaking them now. Liverpool are gunna win the league again before them. Those managers want to win things... you see it in their body language. Guardiola will say not winning the league isn't a failure, but he still looks gutted.
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It may sound like I've been living under a rock as this tune is all over the internet, but what is this tune?
Of course, he is just waiting the right moment to announce it.He's staying.
Arsenal Fam TV should be fun for another couple of years, bluds.
It's called Shooting Stars
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No, only United are gonna win the league again before us.
Yeah, that's my hunch about it too. Either that or Wenger had full coffers but actually thought FFP would kick in and City et al would be fecked. The first version seems more plausible.
He definitely should be sacked. I think what's really telling about Arsenal and the way they play is how the Bayern and Barcafans I know react, when they draw Arsenal. They are joyful. Big opponent, but no challenge at all. Game will be televised everywhere, yet there is no real danger of losing out on the next round. Just the perfect opportunity to show off to the whole world. Arsenal are the epitome of harmlessness when it comes to the big stage. The most funny thing about them is how they always set up exactly the same way. How Wenger seems to think we would be somewhat shocked or overwelhmed by their speed and so on. This naive, short passing approach without any serious pressing is so extremely easy to beat, it's not even funny anymore. And you don't even have to worry about some experiments. The best Wenger can do is put someone like Sanogo in the lineup. You know, because Pique, Mascherano, Boateng and Hummels can't handle his pace.
Oh, and I don't believe it's the lack of great players. Arsenal have and had a lot of them. Never did them any good. If you are unable to build around a foundation of players like Sanchez, Özil, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ramsey, Cech and Bellerin, it's your own fault. And don't talk about injuries. You can have bad luck with injuries every now and then. You can even have some players who are prone to injuries. But if you always have as many injuries as Arsenal do, over such a long period of time, you're doing something wrong.
If you have so many talented, young players struggling to advance their careers, you're doing something wrong. For example, what in the world was the guy doing to Gnabry? Why did he never play? Might not be a world beater, but he has obvious talent and is extremely cold in front of the goal. He played a few times for them and basically disappeared. Now he's at Bremen and wanted by many clubs. And he is not the only one. So many careers stalled at Arsenal.
Walcott has tremendous attributes. The guy could be such a good forward. Or could have been. Wenger even saw that and was unable to coach him accordingly.
Wenger is exactly the coach he was 15 years ago. He won't change one bit. Pure stubborness. Arsenal somehow deluded themselves into some weird groupthink that Wenger is their SAF, completely overstating his ablity as a coach and now they are afraid they might go the same path you guys did. That's what's holding them back.
In my opinion, a team as big as Arsenal, located right in London, having as many fans as they do, having ticket prices as high as they do and so on, they should simply perform far better. Arsenal are the biggest waste of potential in the world of football.
Oh, and I don't believe it's the lack of great players. Arsenal have and had a lot of them. Never did them any good. If you are unable to build around a foundation of players like Sanchez, Özil, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ramsey, Cech and Bellerin, it's your own fault. And don't talk about injuries. You can have bad luck with injuries every now and then. You can even have some players who are prone to injuries. But if you always have as many injuries as Arsenal do, over such a long period of time, you're doing something wrong.
If you have so many talented, young players struggling to advance their careers, you're doing something wrong. For example, what in the world was the guy doing to Gnabry? Why did he never play? Might not be a world beater, but he has obvious talent and is extremely cold in front of the goal. He played a few times for them and basically disappeared. Now he's at Bremen and wanted by many clubs. And he is not the only one. So many careers stalled at Arsenal.
Walcott has tremendous attributes. The guy could be such a good forward. Or could have been. Wenger even saw that and was unable to coach him accordingly.
Wenger is exactly the coach he was 15 years ago. He won't change one bit. Pure stubborness. Arsenal somehow deluded themselves into some weird groupthink that Wenger is their SAF, completely overstating his ablity as a coach and now they are afraid they might go the same path you guys did. That's what's holding them back.
In my opinion, a team as big as Arsenal, located right in London, having as many fans as they do, having ticket prices as high as they do and so on, they should simply perform far better. Arsenal are the biggest waste of potential in the world of football.
Has this been posted, because jesus christ
Just about to post that, amazing
It's the final "he's the Mugabe of Arsenal" that does it.When Liverpool win the league again under Klopp, or if Spurs win it pretty soon, then I think that will force more Arsenal fans to wake up. Klopp with money will make Liverpool hard to beat & Spurs will keep getting stronger aswell.
You look at Spurs last season and now this season. Going forwards under that manager...
This sort of thing has happened before to other clubs... Sampdoria, for example. Could this be year Arsenal finally drop out of top 4?
You look at Spurs last season and now this season. Going forwards under that manager...
This sort of thing has happened before to other clubs... Sampdoria, for example. Could this be year Arsenal finally drop out of top 4?
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Safe to say that Spurs are now a title winning club now. And because they are a title winning club in English football they will be able to attract just about ANY player now. And the money is rolling in....
More money to spend, more transfer freedom, etc.
More money to spend, more transfer freedom, etc.
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Too funny lol
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It's good to see change. Spurs are playing with that big team mentality. You can see in the players that they believe they can win the league... that they know they are title challengers now.
Too funny lol
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It's good to see change. Spurs are playing with that big team mentality. You can see in the players that they believe they can win the league... that they know they are title challengers now.
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Spurs have a decent manager who knows what he's doing in term of bringing youth players into team. Alex Fergie was good at that too. You want good youth coaches too. They are building a 60, 000 seater stadium. They should be able to hold onto players and attract just about any. Only problem is stadium might restrict his spending for a while.
Since Spurs & Arsenal are rivals if I were a Spurs fan I would actually want Wenger to stay.
But Spurs manager.... his reputation is growing.
Even Henry has turn coated on Wenger. Would you hand it to Henry?
Since Spurs & Arsenal are rivals if I were a Spurs fan I would actually want Wenger to stay.
But Spurs manager.... his reputation is growing.
Even Henry has turn coated on Wenger. Would you hand it to Henry?
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I can't see Liverpool winning the league under Klopp or any other manager unless FSG change their buying/selling philosophy.
You don't win league titles buying the likes of Klavan and Benteke. And forget Leicester winning it last season - it was a freak occurance which won't happen again for 50 years in my opinion.
As for Arsenal - it's truly baffling some people still support Wenger and try and find an argument for him. He's a failure and so out of touch with the modern game.
It's sad because he's a gent away from the game and deserves to be remembered for the great sides he built in the early 00s. But all he will be remembered for is being a stubborn old coot.
Joke of a fanbase.
What does it cost to hire such a plane?
Usually about 500 to a grand.
What does it cost to hire such a plane?
Looks like he's lost the dressing room. Players want him gone? I just hope the board bring in someone who knows what they're doing. Jardim/Allegri or Simeone plz.
Surely his biggest supporters now accept time is up.
The whole Wenger out Wenger in thing has gone on for ages but I don't think it's ever been this big. He's definitely gone this summer imo.
The pro-banner is ruined by the ridiculous #respectaw crap on the end. Just looks like someone sat on the keyboard at the printers.
Will he last till the summer.. he looks dead and buried. Needs to resign if they want to get top 4.
He should be given a medal, he just won me over £150.
It's been apparent for awhile now that the players aren't putting in performances for him. Thrashing non-league opposition in the FA Cup is great, but their league and CL performances since the turn of the year have been embarrassing.
He's done here. I can't see how Wenger can bounce back from this, the fans hate him, seems to have lost the players too. It's a bit of a mess.
They're in a free fall and he's the one to blame. I hope he signs a new deal, but I can't see it
They're in a free fall and he's the one to blame. I hope he signs a new deal, but I can't see it
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain. How true is that quote
Hope for his sake he leaves in the summer or he will ruin his legacy completely.
We do the Utd lineup to death on here with potential signings etc but to any Arsenal fans, who of that team would actually keep their place if a new manager came in?
Surely they need 5 or 6 players.
I'd keep Bellerin maybe both centre halves, Alexis and at a push Ox. The rest all need upgrading imo.
Surely they need 5 or 6 players.
I'd keep Bellerin maybe both centre halves, Alexis and at a push Ox. The rest all need upgrading imo.