Signed. Sorry but I just don't want ye to leave us. As bad and all as ye are, I'll miss ye.
50k more signatures since you posted this.
To put that into perspective, the whole of Kensington and Chelsea had 54k votes in the Referendum.
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50k more signatures since you posted this.
To put that into perspective, the whole of Kensington and Chelsea had 54k votes in the Referendum.
Well if you want to go down the route of lies, then pretty much every General Election in the last 20 years would be void. Politicians lie to get votes. It's nothing new and it's never going to change.
Why would the result being close render the result void? If it was a case of 10,000, maybe 20,000 votes, you could argue a recount due to human error and i doubt there would be many people who would challenge you but to argue a result void over 1.3 million votes? Theres no way that there could be human error to that magnitude.
Still democracy states the group with the highest votes wins, and even if you get 1 more vote than your opponent, you win. Of course there would be a recount, but if it all added up, you'd still be the winner.
50k more signatures since you posted this.
To put that into perspective, the whole of Kensington and Chelsea had 54k votes in the Referendum.
I'm getting the rest of the farming community here in the west of Ireland onto this now as well. Watch her rise now.
Our beef industry here in Ireland will suffer greatly if ye leave, you see.
Seriously, there is only 1 sentence in this petition and you still can't read it properly.
So this was the count at 4pm:
1,688,304
1,688,304
That it was close matters, because if 5% of leave voters would have changed their vote without the leave campaigns lies, the result would have been reversed.
The £350m figure matters, because it wasn't some pie-in-the-sky idea. It was an absolute figure, designed to mislead voters.
We do indeed have rules regarding the campaigning of referendums and general elections. I would hope that the leave campaigns lies fell foul of at least some of the rules the Electoral Commission set out.
Like I said, this petition is pointless, but I have signed it anyway
That's my issue with it. It could take about 10 years of referendum for the conditions to be met. I signed it anyway for what it's worth. Democracy can change its mind if it wants to.
Seems to be rising at a rate of a thousand every 30 seconds.
At that rate, if my maths is correct, it will take 5.5 days to reach 17 million. Hopefull, I know.
It's not a legally binding referendum. It can be ignored at will
Hardly surprising that people who want to stay in the EU have such a contempt for their own democracy too.
Posted this in the Brexit thread too.
How To Deliver A Second Referendum:
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/
How To Deliver A Second Referendum:
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/
Or maybe they believe in a representative democracy which helps protects against the idiocy of the populace
Nothing undemocratic about it. If enough people signed it, another referendum happened and the result changed, that'd be democracy. Sounds like you're the one holding democracy in contempt to me.
It's a simplistic argument: they'd have you believe that if the majority of people voted for the rich to hand over every penny they had, that it would be justified. Or vice versa.
Referendums are divisive. I don't think it's justified except in very rare cases and I really don't think this was one of those times. The end result proves just divided our country is on this issue. Which is why you send fecking politicians to decide these matters on your behalf.
At the end of the day as Farage said, it shouldn't be over if it is 52-48
Only problem with the petitions that i can see is that anyone can sign them. All you have to do is tick a box saying you're a british citizen.
There could be people from France, Germany, Poland even Australia and the USA signing them.
Same with the remain campaign, they also told lies, so if 5% of remain voters would have changed their vote without the remain campaign lies, the result would have been extended. Both sides told lies. I don't agree with the £350m figure that the leave campaign threw around. It's was deceiving and i agree it was misleading. It was also like Camerons inferring that Britain leaving the EU would cause World War 3. It would never happen, but he still went ahead with it trying to scare people. Yes i know they're totally different, but it was the way of the campains. Leave tried to point out benefits of leaving, and remain tried their best to scare people into staying.
this just been posted on bbc news feed:
Then they should not have taken part in a referendum when they thought they could win it. You should have petitionned against the referendum when it was announced, not when the outcome disappoints you.
You can't keep having referenda until you get the result you want. If the next referendum is a 'remain', will there be a third referendum for the ones who want an exit? And you expect the other EU member states to wait until the country is tired of referenda and finally the last one counts?
Well you have to put an address as well. To be fair, that's not exactly hard to fake.
Anyway, gone up 73k signatures in 30minutes.
I saw yesterday at one point over 20k of votes were removed. I guess they collect your IP and check if you are really in UK.
That would make sense.
For what its worth, I think looking at the current rate of signatures. By 6:30pm it should be over 2 million signatures.
Well I knew democracy in the UK was screwed when they ignored Boaty McBoatface
This is why I hope we get Boris as PM. He suggested doing this. EU-Lite would be perfect.
Boris Johnson said:
Nigel Farage said:
However, although he was contemplating holding 2 referendums, he later rejected the idea
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/28/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-double-strategy-vote
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...a-of-second-eu-referendum-and-says-out-is-out
But, Boris is a bit of a dreamer. He was a dreamer when he put his support behind a Thames Estuary Airport, he was a dreamer when he took part in a live charity football match (would David Cameron ever do that?), he was a dreamer when he suggest building a bridge with shops and people living on it, he was a dreamer when he suggested a floating park (seriously, what is it with Boris and ideas of things on the Thames). He was a dreamer when he suggested a bicycle path in the sky, and so on.
If there is one person who's ego is big enough to overrule an entire nation, it's him.
Yep, there are sites on the internet that will happily generate a fake address for you. Slap a name on and a fake e-mail address if required and you're good to go.
Of course when actually checking the signatures (which i assume they do to verify legitimacy) they'd likely catch a lot of them
You need a legit email address though (if you had voted you'd know) as you need to confirm the email address with a link in an email before the vote is confirmed.
Some of the mental gymnastics by people upset at the result are amazing.
Over and over again I see people post that this matter was too important to be left to the citizenship and should have been decided by our elected representatives because they are, supposedly, more intelligent and informed than the 'average voter'. They believe the very idea of having a referendum was idiocy. But the referendum came from our MPs. It was planned by the Prime Minister and voted through parliament. Their line of reasoning is essentially: 'ordinary people are too stupid to know what to do, we should have left it to the morons who were stupid enough to trust the ordinary people'.
What were the lies that the remain campaign told? Some may have been "pie-in-the-sky" ideas which are unlikely, but not impossible.
The Britain leaving the EU causing world war 3 is an example of one of these; it's not impossible. Hopefully it would never ever happen, but it could....
:- We already have a suggestion that we will be at war with Russia within years by a retired Nato commander (2)
Other right-wing factions in EU countries are already looking at Brexit as an example of how they can leave the EU.
Without the EU, Russia may be embolded to move into rest of Ukraine, Finland (not a member of NATO), and then maybe even skirmish with Latvia and Poland, despite them being NATO members.
At that point, NATO has to defend those countries. Now we aren't going to suddenly start using nuclear weapons with Russia are we? So small skirmishes with Russia and the west begin, with the threat of nuclear war hanging over our heads once again, but not being used.
Slowly, the war expands. The threat of nuclear weapons hangs large, but because they would potentially wipe out all life on earth, both sides know the others are unlikely to take that step. As long as members with nuclear weapons aren't attacked directly, it's thought that they would never use them. The war expands. World War 3 comes around.
Okay, this is pretty much the worst case of what could possibly happen, but the EU has helped give us peace. Winston Churchill wanted a "United States of Europe" for exactly this reason. If we have brought about the collapse of the EU, then war may return to Europe
Easily done again using Google or Outlook. I've not voted on it, and i've never actually used the petition site before, i just wanted to see if there was any way it checked to see if you were a genuine British citizen, but all it does is use a tickbox.
Do you have to be a physical UK resident to vote on these petitions? If so, surely they'd GeoIP lock them?
Well I actually voted for a party that opposed holding a referendum in its 2015 manifesto.
Are you telling democracy what it can and can't do? How very undemocratic!
No more stupid than the hundreds of thousands/millions of Leave voters who voted in pen and told others to purely because they didn't trust the government and thought they'd change votes in pencil to Remain - the same government these voters wanted to "give back control" to despite clearly not trusting them.
Same.
Not by the people writing petitions unfortunately.
Its not them you have to convince, its the government.
I still believe this will just be a mexican stand off between the UK and the EU.
The EU knows that if we leave it will result in the collapse of the EU, and we know that if we leave , we will be able to find our way on our own, but not without draw backs.
The only option that doesnt result in the destruction of the EU is a renegotiated membership.
the bbc see guy seems to be a lot more negative on the chances then the other guy.
You do yes and although I've not seen it drop if you look above you'll see someone say they have seen it. GeoIP would be the obvious way.
5pm:
1,820,683
6pm:
1,959,076
So in an hour 132,379 signatures. The combined In/Out vote of Sunderland came to 134,324 signatures.
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What about this petition though?
https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu
https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu
At what number of signatures would then not be able to reasonably ignore it? I know the 100k parliament thing but the more votes and coverage it gets surely the more momentum it builds.
Signed it. Even though I don't live in London and it probably won't happen, but if it does happen, UK must seriosuly re-think the EU exit.