Sky Sources : Blind and Mata set to leave this summer.

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I'm not sure Mourinho will sell a lot of players this summer.

To be honest, he should move on about 5 players from the squad who have vastly under performed for the last 3 seasons.
I personally have no issue with the likes of Herrera, Blind, Mata, Rojo, Fellaini etc being moved on.
Jose will bring in new players & we also have to allow the likes of CBJ, TFM & Rashford to continue with their development. If we keep too many substandard players it will surely prevent them getting any game time.
 
Mata was obvious. Blind; however, not so much. Not your typical Mourinho centre back, but really good player to have in the squad, as he can play multiple positions.
 
Mata I understand, why are we selling Blind tho?
He provides cover in multiple locations and is a solid player.

We should be moving players like Jones, Fellaini and Rojo first.
 
The story may be fiction, but there are certainly compelling reasons why Jose would be open to selling both players. Not much needs to be said about Mata, as Mourinho has already seen fit to sell him once (to a rival, nonetheless, which probably tells a story in and of itself). Mata can be a clever player, but he's a luxury one. He's clearly not a winger. Moreover, he simply doesn't possess either the all-around game or the physical attributes that Mourinho demands of a number 10. As likeable as he is, he could logically be deemed surplus to requirements. Blind, on the other hand, is a classic "jack of all trades, master of none". Personally, I think he's done an admirable job this season, playing the entire year out of position. He was exposed at times, but deserves a lot of credit for the job he did for the team. Moving forward, however, I think most would agree that Blind is not an ideal centre back. He may be an option at left back, but we have Shaw, Borthwick-Jackson and Rojo who can play there as well. As a midfielder, again, he lacks pace, power and height. He can put a shift in, but is far from top class.

One thing I would also note, is that we're not talking about two vital cogs in a championship calibre team. We were pretty dreadful for the vast majority of the season. A massive amount of the blame rightfully goes to Van Gaal and his staff, but the players aren't blameless either. We need to get better. If Jose sells players like Mata and Blind, he's not going to replace them with lesser players. If he moves them on, it's because he intends to replace them with better players. It's easy to overrate players like Mata and Blind. I like both of them, but if it means improving the squad (and our chances of winning), then they should go.
 
Blind should stay. He's a good player to have during our usual injury crisis at least. He's had a good season in a tough role for him. Rojo and Jones certainly should go before him.
 
Jose may want to play a highwr line with this team. which is why he may see blind as not fit for what he wants. Mata well we all know how that goes.
 
Rubbish. No way Mourinho is letting go of anyone until he's seen them up close in training.

It's curtains for Mata though.

As if he'd learn something new he didn't already know after watching them perform on the pitch for a year or two.
 
Mundo Deportivo reporting Barca are interested in Juan.
 
Not fussed, reminders of a failure of an era.


Absolutely. Bar the obvious half dozen I couldn't really care who goes. Would Blind or Mata have survived the Ferguson era or get in to teams intent on winning CL's ? Not a chance. We've become too accepting of mediocrity and I hope Mourinhos axe falls on far more than these two.

Good riddance.
 
Barca have some $$$ this summer.

Seems that way, which is a little odd. Or have they now sorted out the new sponsorship and contracts of Messi and Neymar?
 
I would regrettably let Mata go, provided we're bringing in a close to world class winger. As much as I think he's been consistently productive for us it's always been square pegs and round holes.

Blind I would let go for anything short of a big money move, Barca or the like. It doesn't make sense on any level given his performances in a new team, his versatility and his leadership.

Think this is just poor reporting... Though if a decent team comes in for Mata and he wants to leave, he should be allowed to.

Though he loves us and I would like him to finish his career here, even if it is as a top class squad player.
 
Absolutely. Bar the obvious half dozen I couldn't really care who goes. Would Blind or Mata have survived the Ferguson era or get in to teams intent on winning CL's ? Not a chance. We've become too accepting of mediocrity and I hope Mourinhos axe falls on far more than these two.

Good riddance.

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This is so far off the mark its untrue. Under fergie we kept hold of mediocre players to a fault and relied on his masterful game and man management skills to win all we did.

Only since he has left have we seen 4/5/6/7 new players every year... Coincidentally we haven't had a team that has gelled since... I wonder could those two things be related?

Mata was very productive last year and Blind probably in our top 5 players.

But sure, sack them all.
 
I would regrettably let Mata go, provided we're bringing in a close to world class winger. As much as I think he's been consistently productive for us it's always been square pegs and round holes.

Blind I would let go for anything short of a big money move, Barca or the like. It doesn't make sense on any level given his performances in a new team, his versatility and his leadership.

Think this is just poor reporting... Though if a decent team comes in for Mata and he wants to leave, he should be allowed to.

Though he loves us and I would like him to finish his career here, even if it is as a top class squad player.

Blind probably fancies himself as much more than a utility squad player, and may be better off elsewhere if that's how he reads his future under Mourinho.
 
Would be hilarious if he joined the mighty Barca after the moaning of him not good enough to stay here.
Would only be hilarious if he found himself in their first team. Hilarious because he'd weaken them. But he wouldn't start anyway. He'd do what he did for Spain while they were winning everything - Play when the better players need a rest, and come off the bench to help see leads out and score on the break against teams who've committed too many players forward.

He's good enough to be a bench player for any team. No denying that. But he's not on 'bench player' wages.
 
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Would be hilarious if he joined the mighty Barca after the moaning of him not good enough to stay here.

I don't think it affects his quality either way. Some players are just suited to some types of football.

I can see how Mata might be more suited to Luis Enrique's system than Mourinho's, even if Luis Enrique goes direct more than Guardiola or Del Bosque. Vidic, at his prime, was criticised by Johann Cruyff for his ball playing abilities. Does that mean Vidic was not good enough for Barcelona? In my opinion, no. Barcelona just wanted something else from their centre halves, to match the football Pep wanted to play. For us, with our quick transitions and ability to score counter attacking goals in 10 seconds flat, we needed the solid wall of Vida and Rio as a platform to break at pace. If Mata went to Barcelona and thrived in the Barca system it wouldn't necessarily mean, if we do sell him, that that's the wrong decision. There is no guarantee that a player who does well playing a certain style of football is going to be brilliant playing another style.
 
Blind probably fancies himself as much more than a utility squad player, and may be better off elsewhere if that's how he reads his future under Mourinho.

Totally up to Mourinho and obviously he'll be decisive as he always has been but I can't see him being a squad player personally, unless we bring in 3/4 quality players who all then hit the ground running.

I would buy a CB but would still see him having games at CB and CM. He's the kind of top quality utility player that will win you titles, with good players around him. Can fill in anywhere and very rarely let you down.

Players who can shoulder that much responsibility are a rareity in my opinion, though they rarely get the headlines.
 
Our side at the end of last summer's transfer window had 22 senior players(Including Wilson,McNair, Powell and Lingard, excluding Valdes,Pereira(who hadn't made a senior appearance). It just doesn't make sense to have a mass clearout.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this story is true. Mata is a given - he's sold him once before, chances are he'll do it again.

Blind, despite my admiration for the guy, doesn't seem like a Mourinho player.
 
I don't think it affects his quality either way. Some players are just suited to some types of football.

I can see how Mata might be more suited to Luis Enrique's system than Mourinho's, even if Luis Enrique goes direct more than Guardiola or Del Bosque. Vidic, at his prime, was criticised by Johann Cruyff for his ball playing abilities. Does that mean Vidic was not good enough for Barcelona? In my opinion, no. Barcelona just wanted something else from their centre halves, to match the football Pep wanted to play. For us, with our quick transitions and ability to score counter attacking goals in 10 seconds flat, we needed the solid wall of Vida and Rio as a platform to break at pace. If Mata went to Barcelona and thrived in the Barca system it wouldn't necessarily mean, if we do sell him, that that's the wrong decision. There is no guarantee that a player who does well playing a certain style of football is going to be brilliant playing another style.

I wasn't suggesting it would be the wrong decision to sell him, just that those criticizing him were wrong to do so, since if he was that bad, he surely wouldn't be on a shortlist for Europe's most successful club over the past decade.
 
Pure guess-work from Sky.

They don't know shit, as per usual.

Its also being reported at ESPN, who are quoting an anonymous source at the club. Deductively, it would make sense given Mourinho's history with Mata and he may have other ideas in mind to replace Blind. Or maybe not.
 
To be honest, he should move on about 5 players from the squad who have vastly under performed for the last 3 seasons.
I personally have no issue with the likes of Herrera, Blind, Mata, Rojo, Fellaini etc being moved on.
Jose will bring in new players & we also have to allow the likes of CBJ, TFM & Rashford to continue with their development. If we keep too many substandard players it will surely prevent them getting any game time.

Herrera is one of the players I'd like to see under a different manager. Although he didn't show it much last season, I'm sure there's a good player in there and, if nothing else, I'd like to dispel the notion that his underperforming was entirely down to LvG's instructions.

Blind was one of our better players last year, so I think he deserves another 12 months but, if Mourinho doesn't fancy him - I'm sure he knows what he wants.

Wouldn't argue against any of the others. Or McNair, Young, Schweini...
 
Would only be hilarious if he found himself in their first team. Hilarious because he'd weaken them. But he wouldn't start anyway. He'd do what he did for Spain while they were winning everything - Play when the better players need a rest, and come off the bench to help see leads out and score on the break against teams who've committed too many players forward.

He's good enough to be a bench player for any team. No denying that. But he's not on 'bench player' wages.

Yes, I'm sure they are plotting to weaken themselves be adding Mata.
 
Hope not, not overly fussed about Mata and wouldn't be surprised if he was shipped out as some of us expect.

I think people over sympathise with Mata because he's a really likeable guy, and it blurs their vision about him.

Blind would surprise me, he's been better than the rest of our current crop of midfielders this season, and wouldn't mind him to have a proper crack there next season. Also his versatility is a great asset to have, and he's By far been one of the highlights of the season, albeit played out of position, which says enough really.
 
I'd rather Blind at center back than Jones and Rojo, I'd rather Blind in midfield than Fellaini and Carrick. Getting rid of Blind seems silly. He's always fit and can cover 3 different positions.
 
I wasn't suggesting it would be the wrong decision to sell him, just that those criticizing him were wrong to do so, since if he was that bad, he surely wouldn't be on a shortlist for Europe's most successful club over the past decade.

I see what you mean.

Personally, with Mata, I just feel its a case of the manager's system being a bad fit for what makes him effective. I felt the same way about Berbatov, even when he was scoring goals for us. That languid style, those technical gifts, at a tiki taka team perfect. In a team aiming to exploit an opponent's disorganisation on the transition, and turn defence into attack in seconds, maybe not so much.
 
Mat going would not be a surprise, nothing has changed from the last time Jose sold him. As for Blind, I'd like to see him given a shot in the #6 role if we aren't buying one.
 
We are short on numbers but even shorter on quality.

Despite having very lean numbers, I would pike to see as many as possible of the current squad moved on.

I think four are definitely worth keeping. These are obvious.

The rest, not so much.
 
Letting Blind go would be a mistake. He's a very good squad player and versatile too. A vastly upgraded version of John O'Shea.

No he's not.

O'Shea could actually defend rather than running like a headless chicken.

Blind was a weak link. When we were made to defend he was the guy teams targeted. For the first half of the season Smalling was doing the defending for both.

If people think our defence was good then go watch Wolfsburg, Arsenal, Spurs, Watford, Liverpool, West Ham, Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle and Stoke games.

Blind in his first season when played in midfield bombed forward like a headless chicken which left us open on the counter. He did it at times when he was a CB. He has no positioning sense. We looked so much secure when Carrick was in midfield.

Hopefully if we get rid of him it means we signing two centre backs.
 
Mata I understand, why are we selling Blind tho?
He provides cover in multiple locations and is a solid player.

We should be moving players like Jones, Fellaini and Rojo first.
Exactly. Blind has a solid season behind him, also one of the most consistent players. Van play multiple positions too.
Feel a little indifferent about Mata.
 
As if he'd learn something new he didn't already know after watching them perform on the pitch for a year or two.

He would learn if they could play the way he wanted. We always say players were being hamstrung by Van Gaal. Hes hardly going to sell anyone before he knows what they're like in ability and attitude.
 
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